Dom Capers has been offered a position by the Cowboys as...

[theogt]

Given that such phenomenally run organizations as the Saints, Commanders, Cardinals and Raiders have won playoff games since the last time Jerry has, I would say leeway hasn't been a problem.

Did this sound clever or worthwhile in your head?

 

[Bach]

oh i can't believe it matters anymore.

Probably doesn't. Maybe you can pass the word on to zrin, bigdfan and the rest of the gang.

 

[Bach]

See gents this is what happens when you just start hating on someone for no reason, you say something stupid, get called on it and have no comeback except "he sucks"

That's odd, I don't see him say "he sucks" in any of those.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Since I guess 12 years isn't long enough, exactly how long do the Cowboys have to go without winning a playoff game before some people maybe consider the idea that Jerry's not a great GM? 15 years? 20 years?


I don't want long winded posts ... just a number.

Im really beginning to wonder about you.

He put together a team with enough talent to win the division and geta first round bye. Hes not the coach nor the conditioning coach so he cannot make the players finish their routes or make the OC call running plays.

Jerry as the GM signed two players that went to the probowl. He drafted a promising pass rusher and some olinemen that show promise as well with an obvious plan for the future.

We lost that playoff game because Phillips couldnt stop the December swoon and because Garrett kept on giving up on the run game.

You basically bash Jones and Campo on innuendo and nothing with any real substance. Yes him drafting Scifres and the lot to kill the dynasty sucked horribly and yes it sucked when Campo was head coach but really point me to something in the last three years that you can point to from either Campo or Jones that you can say directly caused something real. And Im not talking about your fantasy chicken little scenarios. Im talking about actualy moves that resulted in actual consequences and not made up crap and not wholistic scapegoating which you are prone to do lately.

 

[zrinkill]

Given that such phenomenally run organizations as the Saints, Commanders, Cardinals and Raiders have won playoff games since the last time Jerry has, I would say leeway hasn't been a problem.

Yet we have won 3 Superbowls since any of them have last won one.

Hmmmm which is more impressive?

 

[UVAwahoos]

2 former head coaches and a semi-push over in Wade may not be the best idea to put all together when mixed in with the heir apparent Garrett. Who's gonna be running the show? I know that Campo and Capers don't have the ego that Greg Williams and Al Saunders do, but this better not turn into a power struggle.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I have to say I'm some what surprised that they offered him the DC job. I'm starting to wonder if we're going to have too much drama and turmoil going on in the offseason for this next year to even possibly go well.

 

[Bach]

Yet we have won 3 Superbowls since any of them have last won one.

Hmmmm which is more impressive?

I'll take the three SB's from the teams Jimmy put together.

 

[Bach]

I have to say I'm some what surprised that they offered him the DC job. I'm starting to wonder if we're going to have too much drama and turmoil going on in the offseason for this next year to even possibly go well.

Turmoil and drama? nah.

We wouldn't have any of that with a lame duck HC and half the staff waiting for Garrett to take over.

 

[wileedog]

Im really beginning to wonder about you.

He put together a team with enough talent to win the division and geta first round bye. Hes not the coach nor the conditioning coach so he cannot make the players finish their routes or make the OC call running plays.

Jerry did?

Jerry as the GM signed two players that went to the probowl.

He paid one of them $50M. As a Guard no less. I mean c'mon, is a Pro Bowl that amazing for that much money?

He drafted a promising pass rusher and some olinemen that show promise as well with an obvious plan for the future.

Ireland was still here as well as the scouting infrastructure Bill left him. How were the pre-Bill drafts working?

And before I break down weeping I'm going to laugh my *** off at you if Jerry trades our entire draft for McFadden.

We lost that playoff game because Phillips couldnt stop the December swoon and because Garrett kept on giving up on the run game.

OK, that's not on Jerry. Yay?

You basically bash Jones and Campo on innuendo and nothing with any real substance. Yes him drafting Scifres and the lot to kill the dynasty sucked horribly and yes it sucked when Campo was head coach but really point me to something in the last three years that you can point to from either Campo or Jones that you can say directly caused something real. And Im not talking about your fantasy chicken little scenarios. Im talking about actualy moves that resulted in actual consequences and not made up crap and not wholistic scapegoating which you are prone to do lately.

Again, the last three years Jones has benefited from the organization Bill built for him. This year in particular he seems to content to let that organization go out the window.

He has proven without a doubt that he sucks on his own. Well, he's heading back out on his own more and more this year. Why shouldn't a rational person be concerned?

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Jerry did?


He paid one of them $50M. As a Guard no less. I mean c'mon, is a Pro Bowl that amazing for that much money?


Ireland was still here as well as the scouting infrastructure Bill left him. How were the pre-Bill drafts working?


OK, that's not on Jerry. Yay?



Again, the last three years Jones has benefited from the organization Bill built for him. This year in particular he seems to content to let that organization go out the window.

He has proven without a doubt that he sucks on his own. Well, he's heading back out on his own more and more this year. Why shouldn't a rational person be concerned?

But he has three SB rings from when we were all a decade younger. What more do you want?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Apparently he has to win at least 3 in every decade or he's a terrible owner and GM.

 

[iceberg]

Probably doesn't. Maybe you can pass the word on to zrin, bigdfan and the rest of the gang.

and maybe one day you'll quit using jones's n-sack as a punching bag.

 

[UVAwahoos]

Apparently he has to win at least 3 in every decade or he's a terrible owner and GM.

He has created a lot of permanent scars from the era between the firing of Jimmy and the Parcells years. All the things that he did are well documented and obvious. Even he realized that the destruction and egotistical mentality had gone too far and brought in Parcells to turn things around.

He had many, many years after Jimmy left to show that he could keep us a winning franchise as a GM, and he failed over and over again, so I think it's a little more than just having to win Super Bowls year in and year out. At least a playoff game would be nice for starters.

 

[cowboyed]

Fixed it already...

Now the other thing is KTCK is speculating that Phillips has no hand in this...

People that have played for Wade says he is laid back, but firm with players and coaches...

Maybe, just maybe this is a Wade decision. We know Wade wasn't happy overall with the defense this year and maybe he realizes Stewart is in over his head...

That's the perception I have as well.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Apparently he has to win at least 3 in every decade or he's a terrible owner and GM.

Naw, just at least be competitive more often would be nice.

 

[Vintage]

Apparently he has to win at least 3 in every decade or he's a terrible owner and GM.

No. But I expect a playoff win every decade.

I am "ok" with us not winning a playoff game from '96 to '99. Three Super Bowls buys some leeway.

But we are going to be entering the 2008-2009 NFL Season without a playoff win this decade.

(And this isn't Jerry bashing. I typically support him. I am just amused/frustrated by our lack of success in, well, forever.)

 

[wileedog]

Apparently he has to win at least 3 in every decade or he's a terrible owner and GM.

I would like to point out that I LOVE Jerry Jones the owner.

Love, love, love.

But his most effective periods as an owner and GM have been when he has partnered with a strong football guy, either Jimmy or Bill.

And yes, I said partnered. I think when he is in that situation where a strong personality is tempering his gambling and wildcatting personality, he is at his absolute best as an owner and GM, and I do think both Jimmy and Bill benefited from his presence in both regimes. No one romances a FA better than Jerry.

Its when he is on his own that the trouble starts, and the warning signs are there this year that he is straying off in that direction again. I think we have a legitimate right to worry.

Maybe less than the late 90's, as he might have learned a few things, but that's like saying we might sink a little slower than the Titanic.

I hope Garrett has the clout to influence Jerry in a way that Wade clearly does not. Or it may not matter how good a coach he is.

 

[windward]

I have to say I'm some what surprised that they offered him the DC job. I'm starting to wonder if we're going to have too much drama and turmoil going on in the offseason for this next year to even possibly go well.

San Diego had a smuch "turmoil" as we are having last offseason.

They turned out okay.

The Giants were a team in turmoil as recently as week 3. They turned out okay as well.


I think Dallas is as primed for a Super Bowl run as anyone in the NFC next year. Until they prove me wrong, I will stick to that.

 

[windward]

I would like to point out that I LOVE Jerry Jones the owner.

Love, love, love.

But his most effective periods as an owner and GM have been when he has partnered with a strong football guy, either Jimmy or Bill.

And yes, I said partnered. I think when he is in that situation where a strong personality is tempering his gambling and wildcatting personality, he is at his absolute best as an owner and GM, and I do think both Jimmy and Bill benefited from his presence in both regimes. No one romances a FA better than Jerry.

Its when he is on his own that the trouble starts, and the warning signs are there this year that he is straying off in that direction again. I think we have a legitimate right to worry.

Maybe less than the late 90's, as he might have learned a few things, but that's like saying we might sink a little slower than the Titanic.

I hope Garrett has the clout to influence Jerry in a way that Wade clearly does not. Or it may not matter how good a coach he is.

Well, the proof will be in the proverbial pudding this offseason. Will Jerry continue to make sensible free agency signings? Or will he trade three or more picks for a guy like McFadden?

We shall see.