Don’t overvalue Cole Beasley

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I'm confused Bob (and we wouldn't want that) are you saying he's not worth the $$ due to inferior talent or his age? I'm in favor of looking elsewhere like the other posters but where is the accountability of the OC or our QB in this? You believe we can plug in anyone and all of sudden they are getting the ball thrown to them? Was Cole not open enough to get the ball? I see your stats but want to know first why he wasn't getting the ball. Attitude is one thing. Did Dak not throw to him because of that? Hmmmm...
He caught 65 passes this year. He was targeted over 80 times. I don’t think it can be said Beas wasn’t getting a chance.
 

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I def agree with all this.. His poor body language mixed with his age and the salary he wants make this decision easy.
 

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Before I start, let me say up front that I like Cole Beasley and what he’s done as a Cowboy in his his 7 year NFL career. He has been a good, solid slot receiver. Good. Not great. Most dedicated fans of any team unfortunately tend to overvalue a player they love, blinding them to the details of his performance.

And for that simple reason, along with several others, Cole Beasley should not be resigned here for the future. Let me get specific about the reasons why we should not overvalue Cole Beasley.

1. HIS STATS ARE JUST AVERAGE.
In his 7 years as a Cowboys slot receiver, in 103 games, Cole Beasley has caught 319 passes for 3,271 yards and 23 TDs. That means for his career, Beas averaged 3 catches for 31 yards per game, and averaged 3.2 TDs per season.

Some would argue that his first 2 years in the league he wasn’t a full time player. Ok, let’s take the last 5 seasons then. His 5 year average in 79 games has been 55 receptions for 555 yards. That translates to 3.3 receptions per game for 35 yards in his best 5 years.

Not great.

2. HISBEST YEARSARE BEHIND HIM
Beas will be 30 as he enters the 2019 season. Looking at his career stats above, I can’t see how it could be argued that he will have better statistical years ahead. As we saw in his stats numbers, he is not exceptional in receiving numbers, yardage or TDs.

Unless your name is Jerry Rice or some other rare ageless talent, NFL history is not kind to receivers 30 and older.

3. THERE WILL BE YOUNGER CHEAPER TALENT AVAILABLE IN DRAFT OR FA
It’s not like there aren’t a lot of younger, talented and less expensive players available. One guy I would love to pick up is 26 year old Adam Humphries from Tampa Bay who has consistently been one of the best slot receivers in the NFL. Unfortunately he will probably garner top dollar, like 4 years at $10 mil per year.

But there are several UFAs who are 24-27, have lots of upside, and are not going to garner big bucks. One example is 25 year old Phillip Dorsett who has played with NE last year and caught 32 passes as a 3rd down specialist in NE. Or there’s 26 year old Chris Conley of KC who caught 32 passs from Pat Mahomes for 5 TDs.

Point is, there will be younger, cheaper talent available in FA and the draft.

Bottom line- Unless Cole Beasley is willing to sign for a lot less than has been floated out there, there is no smart reason to resign him here again. Beas has been a good, reliable slot receiver. But if we’re going to pay him more, we should use that money to sign somebody like Adam Humphries who’s younger and more talented.

Right?

I just want to say that sometimes you just have to compliment a poster and I will tell you Bob that you post some of the best laid out and well informed arguments and posts on here. Kudos on a Friday

As for this post, I agree and think that was what they wanted from Ryan Switzer but we either didn't develop him properly or they just overvalued him in the draft. I do think you can find the same production elsewhere.
 

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The one thing we can't afford to do is to undervalue the receiver position like we did entering this season.

Cooper is here for at least a year, and longer if we extend him.

Gallup has seized the No. 2 role and we've got him for another three years.

Hurns is decent depth for those outside spots, but is coming off injury and is expensive as a No. 3 or No. 4 at $6.25 million. Williams is kind of in the same boat at $4.75 million. Noah Brown is under contract through 2020, but I don't know if he could step up for a bigger role if needed. We have absolutely no idea on Wilson at this point.

So we're down to Austin and Beasley, our two slot receivers. Austin can play the outside as well as the slot, but I have no idea what kind of deal he's going to be seeking. Beasley is strictly a slot receiver who can work over that underneath coverage if teams aren't able to bracket him.

In my opinion, we absolutely need to bring back two of these four (Austin, Hurns, Beasley and Williams) in order to have quality depth and solid options for when we go four-wide. I'd lean toward Austin and Beasley/Hurns. That way we have two players who can play the slot (Austin, Beasley/Hurns) and three to four who can start on the outside (Cooper, Gallup and Austin, and Hurns if kept over Beasley). Brown continues his primarily blocking role and then we see if Wilson can challenge to move up in the pecking order.
 

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He caught 65 passes this year. He was targeted over 80 times. I don’t think it can be said Beas wasn’t getting a chance.
Believe me I am not making a case for Beas just being sure we are on a similar page. #2 in TD's in '16, #3 in '17 and T-3rd this year so he is getting his chances yes and this year he was doing all of this without a competent TE. I'm trying to see both sides of this. Again if it's the $$ aspect I agree but not sure "X" player will have better results just because he's cheaper. Give me an OC that knows what to do with a slot receiver.
 

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The thing we know about Beasley is he gets open. No one can really cover him out of the slot as long as there is someone outside to prevent teams from double teaming him like they did last year. But imagine that, on 3rd downs and key situations defenses were allocating two defenders to keep Beasley from making a play. This year, Cooper took the heat off him and he made some big plays. Did I say he knows how to get open?

For much of this year Dak basically ignored him. That's not his fault and it could be the reason for his attitude. But, he lacks size and strength. He can't really block or play a part in the running game. His top end speed is limited.. He is really a roll player. That's how I would pay him. What would you pays for a guy who is money on 3rd and 6 or 3rd and 8?

Is he worth top slot receiver money? I don't know what that means. Perhaps once he lays his cards on the table we will find out. I would make an attempt to sign him before I try to sign Tavon Austin, who can't get open despite his speed and he has poor hands. Austin is a lousy route runner. No one else on the Cowboys roster can do what Beasley does. Again, it comes down to money. Is he worth more than TWill? I think so. TWill got $17 million with $9.5 mil guaranteed over 5 years. Would I give Beasley 3 years and $30 million? No. But I might give him 4 years at $20 million $10 million of which would be guaranteed but with an escalating salary.
 

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If he’s cheap bring him back.


If not then spend a little extra and go get Adam Humphries from Tampa who is 25 years old.

But someone with his ability is clearly needed in this offense.
 

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But but...but watch him go to NE and get over 1K yards :rolleyes:
 

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I don't think many people are overvaluing him. He is worth the 5-7 mil range but he may ask for up to 10 mil. This is a player that can only play the slot and doesn't have the physical tools to play the outside thinking he is worth more than most #1 and #2 WRs.
 

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I don't think many people are overvaluing him. He is worth the 5-7 mil range but he may ask for up to 10 mil. This is a player that can only play the slot and doesn't have the physical tools to play the outside thinking he is worth more than most #1 and #2 WRs.
And he can return punts which apparently is something we didn't trust Austin to do...
 

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He is the slot version of Dez. Physically he is limited to what routes he can run. He is not a deep post or corner guy or go guy. He can only run ins and outs, he is not deep threat. Let him walk and find either a D-Jax type of receiver that can run any route from any position on the field. As far as I am concerned Austin can go to, while he does have elite speed he does not have elite receiver skills.
 

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And he can return punts which apparently is something we didn't trust Austin to do...
Which is sad in my view because guys Austin did more in the PR in one game than Beasley did in the entire season.
 

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While I like Beasley and it is easy to say let’s replace him, it’s not that easy. To be honest, guys who know how to get open (Cooper, Witten, Beasley) all have a good rep with Dak. That is hard to replace as we saw during the early half oof the season.

With that said, if the money is not right we need to find a replacement. Tavon while fast and quick doesn’t have the route running movements of the players I mentioned. Aside from Cooper (who is blessed with speed and stop and go route running) both Beasley and Witten are not the fastest guys but just know how to get open. Whether FA or draft slot recover options is a must this offseason.
 

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Before I start, let me say up front that I like Cole Beasley and what he’s done as a Cowboy in his his 7 year NFL career. He has been a good, solid slot receiver. Good. Not great. Most dedicated fans of any team unfortunately tend to overvalue a player they love, blinding them to the details of his performance.

And for that simple reason, along with several others, Cole Beasley should not be resigned here for the future. Let me get specific about the reasons why we should not overvalue Cole Beasley.

1. HIS STATS ARE JUST AVERAGE.
In his 7 years as a Cowboys slot receiver, in 103 games, Cole Beasley has caught 319 passes for 3,271 yards and 23 TDs. That means for his career, Beas averaged 3 catches for 31 yards per game, and averaged 3.2 TDs per season.

Some would argue that his first 2 years in the league he wasn’t a full time player. Ok, let’s take the last 5 seasons then. His 5 year average in 79 games has been 55 receptions for 555 yards. That translates to 3.3 receptions per game for 35 yards in his best 5 years.

Not great.

2. HISBEST YEARSARE BEHIND HIM
Beas will be 30 as he enters the 2019 season. Looking at his career stats above, I can’t see how it could be argued that he will have better statistical years ahead. As we saw in his stats numbers, he is not exceptional in receiving numbers, yardage or TDs.

Unless your name is Jerry Rice or some other rare ageless talent, NFL history is not kind to receivers 30 and older.

3. THERE WILL BE YOUNGER CHEAPER TALENT AVAILABLE IN DRAFT OR FA
It’s not like there aren’t a lot of younger, talented and less expensive players available. One guy I would love to pick up is 26 year old Adam Humphries from Tampa Bay who has consistently been one of the best slot receivers in the NFL. Unfortunately he will probably garner top dollar, like 4 years at $10 mil per year.

But there are several UFAs who are 24-27, have lots of upside, and are not going to garner big bucks. One example is 25 year old Phillip Dorsett who has played with NE last year and caught 32 passes as a 3rd down specialist in NE. Or there’s 26 year old Chris Conley of KC who caught 32 passs from Pat Mahomes for 5 TDs.

Point is, there will be younger, cheaper talent available in FA and the draft.

Bottom line- Unless Cole Beasley is willing to sign for a lot less than has been floated out there, there is no smart reason to resign him here again. Beas has been a good, reliable slot receiver. But if we’re going to pay him more, we should use that money to sign somebody like Adam Humphries who’s younger and more talented.

Right?


Only thing that is certain is that wherever he goes he will be more productive by a big margin then when he was here......:(
 

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He carved out a nice little career for himself while banking about 15 mil or so.

But he's outa here

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He will get another decent contract elsewhere though
 

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Coles bit of risk when it involves overpaying.. iMO we are pretty set at WR we have Amari and Gallup as fulltime starters now you keep developing Brown, hope that Cedric returns for a solid injury free year, get another draft o FA if TA or a guy like Lenoir can be brought into the mix..

we dont need to eb desperate to overpay or overdraft this coming season at WR..this offense needs a great TE firs as we run a lot , Gallup Amari, add one WR with Speed and some fill ins pus a TE that is clearly a day 1 starter.. not enough balls to go around as it is with our run first type offense..
 

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Cedrick Wilson is my new pet cat for the slot position should Beasley be seeking to large a slice of that cap pie.

If you look at Wilson's college tape he's an outside WR who isn't a 1 trick pony. Not a blazer but spreads the field and comes down with the ball. Ultra productive, YAC and sure handed.

We were hearing great things about him in the preseason and how quickly he was learning the playbook before he got injured. His dad was also an NFL WR and Cedrick Wilson Jr was one Colleges best WR's, just didn't get as much showtime playing at Boise State.

I like what he offers at the position as well but he's no slot guy. He can definitely help in the red zone and can be moved around the field.
 

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A clutch slot guy who can get open is really valuable in the RIGHeT SYSTEM.
He reminds me of Preston Pearson I know I know wrong position. But when you need a critical play hes usually there.
If we were rebuilding I'd say let him walk but we're gonna contend next year so I don't wanna break something that's fixed
 

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Which is nothing. If I’m not mistaken he’s a free agent.
If he leaves I hope he get a huge contract
Comp pick
I don’t know that the market will be what he thinks
He’s a good slot guy but brings nothing else
I like humphries because he has some return skills
Beasley can get open but he’s also getting some age on him and rarely gets many yards after the catch
 
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