Don't look now (Ezekiel Elliott)

[TheRomoSexual]

No, I didn't remotely imply that. You're simply trying to make up a new angle to divert away from the real argument and try to hang your hat on; i.e. a strawman.

As to your contention about CBs...again, I'm seeing your limited capacity. I'll be glad to take up the argument if you can provide metrics and rationale used to determine what a "successful" CB is.

It's not surprising you fold up when asked for evidence; a hallmark of someone that talks out their arse.

Explain then what you meant that Murray is a complete back drafted in the third. He became a complete back, but as a prospect, he was considered more of a third-down prospect. So, I really don't know what you're talking about when you bring him up.

Since you love numbers beyond anything else, this list should suit your fancy: .

Only four of their top 10 players were drafted in the first round, and only one of their top 5.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I agree with some of your argument, but not its basic premise, namely, that you think Zeke wasn't worth a high pick because you can get RB productivity later in the draft. I believe this categorization is a misnomer based on the fact that RB metrics are easily quantifiable; basically, if you take any decent RB prospect, give them enough carries and open holes, they are going to get yards. But it is the elite prospects that can do something more, make a defense adjust to their presence on the field. Peterson, LT, Lynch, Edgerrin James. The elite prospects make a difference beyond just yardage, same with any position -- you can find someone to play cornerback anywhere in the draft, but Peterson and Richard Sherman are going to lock down their side of a field, forcing the offense to adjust significantly. I personally think Zeke is one of those elite prospects with that potential.

This post is laughable.

NFL defenses respects ability, talent and proven production, not draft pedigree (i.e. "elite prospects" as you put it).

When Foster was in his prime do you think teams were saying "meh, he's good, but he was undrafted three years ago...don't worry about him."

Smh

 

[TheRomoSexual]

This post is laughable.

NFL defenses respects ability, talent and proven production, not draft pedigree (i.e. "elite prospects" as you put it).

When Foster was in his prime do you think teams were saying "meh, he's good, but he was undrafted three years ago...don't worry about him."

Smh

Dude, what are you even talking about? You are seriously losing it. NFL teams draft players based on a projection of which prospects have the highest possibility of becoming elite at their positions. I didn't say Zeke is LT, I said he has the potential to be LT, thus he is worth a high pick. I was rebutting the notion that RBs are a devalued position, not arguing that Zeke is some superstar. You are seriously coming off as ignorant and should stop while you are behind.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Dude, what are you even talking about? You are seriously losing it. NFL teams draft players based on a projection of which prospects have the highest possibility of becoming elite at their positions. I didn't say Zeke is LT, I said he has the potential to be LT, thus he is worth a high pick. I was rebutting the notion that RBs are a devalued position, not arguing that Zeke is some superstar. You are seriously coming off as ignorant and should stop while you are behind.

And you're so deluded you don't even know what you're arguing. It's right there in your own post, smh.

That whole post was about how supposedly "elite prospects" make defenses adjust, how "elite prospects" beyond just yardage, et cetera.

Elite prospects don't do that.

Players with proven skill, talent and demonstrated talent do those things to defenses.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

And you're so deluded you don't even know what you're arguing. It's right there in your own post, smh.

That whole post was about how supposedly "elite prospects" make defenses adjust, how "elite prospects" beyond just yardage, et cetera.

Elite prospects don't do that.

Players with proven skill, talent and demonstrated talent do those things to defenses.

Sorry, I misunderstood your point. You are just not the greatest at communicating. Would it be more helpful if I said elite "player?" I think, given his pedigree, Zeke has the potential to be an elite player that makes defenses adjust, similar to an LT, Lynch, or James. A RB who can hit 1k yards is nice, and yes you can find those later in the draft, but they also won't have much impact on a defense's scheme. And the fact that you keep bringing up players like Foster and Murray leads me to believe you know less about statistics than you pretend -- those are called outliers, and in the case of Murray, he had one outlier season. Outliers are often excluded from statistics as they do not carry much predictive weight. And the couple outliers you cite certainly don't change the fact that, generally speaking, the RBs who are elite their entire careers (LT, Peterson, Lynch, James, Smith, etc.) tend to be drafted high in the first round.

 

[haleyrules]

Elliott will turn out to be a great Cowboy. He would be much stronger now if he hadnt missed most of the Preseason.