Don't look now (Ezekiel Elliott)

[Nightman]

There's no other position on the field that has been demonstratively proven you can get instant productive players out of less heralded prospects/resources than RB.

And you're simply making it up about Ramsey.

Just not true, no matter how many times say it......sorry it was 18 out of 25 were 1st rounder.....6 were top 5

 

[InDakWeTrust]

I thought the 11 formation was 1 RB and 1 TE and the 12 package was 1 RB and 2 TEs

You're right, I meant 10, or 20 formation..spread 'Em out and make their DB's tackle Zeke. If there's anything TWILL can do well, is run block. Same with Butler.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Just not true, no matter how many times say it......sorry it was 18 out of 25 were 1st rounder.....6 were top 5

Stay vomit that's unrelated to the claim being disputed. All of those backs are from an era of the feature back.

Since you're fetching stats, go back the past 2-3 seasons and post all the 1,000+ yard backs and their corresponding draft status.

 

[Nightman]

Stay vomit that's unrelated to the claim being disputed. All of those backs are from an era of the feature back.

Since you're fetching stats, go back the past 2-3 seasons and post all the 1,000+ yard backs and their corresponding draft status.

You mean 1 hit wonders.......no thanks......I want the next Emmitt behind this line, not Tommie Agee

 

[Joe Realist]

1200 yards this year

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Stay vomit that's unrelated to the claim being disputed. All of those backs are from an era of the feature back.

Since you're fetching stats, go back the past 2-3 seasons and post all the 1,000+ yard backs and their corresponding draft status.

The top RBs this season are the following:

• Adrian Peterson (first round)
• Todd Gurley (first round)'
  
• Melvin Gordon (first round)
• Zeke (first round)
• David Johnson (third round)
• Le'Veon Bell (second round)
• Doug Martin (first round)
• Jonathan Stewart (first round)
• LeSean McCoy (second round)

In other words, as with every other position, the best players and those that stick around tend to be drafted in the first two rounds.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

You mean 1 hit wonders.......no thanks......I want the next Emmitt behind this line, not Tommie Agee

Yeah, you're avoiding dealing with the info. A lot of those late round backs are annual producers.

 

[DogFace]

He's bound to explode for a monster game. This week? Next?

I don't know but, it's coming.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

The top RBs this season are the following:

• Adrian Peterson (first round)
• Todd Gurley (first round)'
  
• Melvin Gordon (first round)
• Zeke (first round)
• David Johnson (third round)
• Le'Veon Bell (second round)
• Doug Martin (first round)
• Jonathan Stewart (first round)
• LeSean McCoy (second round)

In other words, as with every other position, the best players and those that stick around tend to be drafted in the first two rounds.

My gosh y'all abuse statistics.

If you want legitimate data you can draw conclusions from, look at the end of season totals not numbers after just two games, smh.

Seriously, I'm afraid folks are either being intellectually dishonest or simply ignorant of the principals of statistical analysis (eg. sample size).

 

[TheRomoSexual]

My gosh y'all abuse statistics.

If you want legitimate data you can draw conclusions from, look at the end of season totals not numbers after just two games, smh.

Seriously, I'm afraid folks are either being intellectually dishonest or simply ignorant of the principals of statistical analysis (eg. sample size).

It's "principles" of statistics. Try not to look like a dolt when criticizing the intelligence others.

What's hilarious is that I've provided specific examples and you keep referring to statistics that you haven't offered. If you have such great stats, show 'em.

For a period, RBs were devalued; lately, there has been a trend back towards valuing RBs. I'm sorry you are stuck in that brief period.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

It's "principles" of statistics. Try not to look like a dolt when criticizing the intelligence others.

What's hilarious is that I've provided specific examples and you keep referring to statistics that you haven't offered. If you have such great stats, show 'em.

For a period, RBs were devalued; lately, there has been a trend back towards valuing RBs. I'm sorry you are stuck in that brief period.

Thanks genius I'm typing on a phone at work.

The real comedy is believing you can draw anything substantive from looking at the rushing leaders after two games.

If you wanna disprove my contention then deal with the specific claim rather than playing the statistical shell game.

I made an error because of auto-spell. You're dealing with mental processing errors. Which is more troubling on a personal level?

 

[Nightman]

Yeah, you're avoiding dealing with the info. A lot of those late round backs are annual producers.

You refuse to accept the fact that RBs are just like every other position......you pay for quality

This fallacy that great RBs are found anywhere is ridiculous.......we tried 4 last year with very little success( yes that includes DMC)

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Thanks genius I'm typing on a phone at work.

The real comedy is believing you can draw anything substantive from looking at the rushing leaders after two games.

I made an error because of auto-spell. You're dealing with mental processing errors. Which is more troubling on a personal level?

Oh please. You made an error because you didn't know the difference between principle and principal. Too bad the principal of your high school did a shoddy job.

Again, offer your statistics. I'm waiting.

 

[BrassCowboy]

True but the reason he was drafted top 4 was because he was a instant impact bigtime player.

It didn't take Gurley long at all to tear it up.

If he is just average or slightly better than average than it was a wasted pick. We need him to blow up soon.

If we're seeing average in October then that is probably just what he will be.

He's not beating 8 & 9 man fronts and the coaches keep slamming him into them so either beat those fronts or the coaches better get him in space somehow.

well you may be right about why he is not taking off like people have said with the 8 man fronts he is seeing, but don't you think we should be looking at this with an ounce of realism? you and a number of others are looking at Elliot and his numbers through the constant talk about how great he is gonna be, but come on.... we know the reality of the matter is that he is a rookie and like 98% of rookie RBs before him, it starts out slower than what people are expecting. I guess same thing happened at Ohio State.

Take a look at Emmitt Smith's first year stats, why you are at it how about just first two games since that is what we are talking here. Trust me, it ain't pretty.

We have plenty of capable running backs to carry the load, Elliot will get his share and bigger it will become as he gets his feet wet.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

You refuse to accept the fact that RBs are just like every other position......you pay for quality

This fallacy that great RBs are found anywhere is ridiculous.......we tried 4 last year with very little success( yes that includes DMC)

Was DeMarco Murray quality? Arian Foster? Frank Gore? Alfred Morris?

McFadden ran for 1000+ and at a 4.6 YPC clip in basically 10 starts with trash at QB.

You're in denial.

 

[Nightman]

The top RBs this season are the following:

• Adrian Peterson (first round)
• Todd Gurley (first round)'
  
• Melvin Gordon (first round)
• Zeke (first round)
• David Johnson (third round)
• Le'Veon Bell (second round)
• Doug Martin (first round)
• Jonathan Stewart (first round)
• LeSean McCoy (second round)

In other words, as with every other position, the best players and those that stick around tend to be drafted in the first two rounds.

I can't even respond to him anymore.......10 of the top 20 1st rounders last 5 years...14 are 1-2nd rounders

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Oh please. You made an error because you didn't know the difference between principle and principal. Too bad the principal of your high school did a shoddy job.

Again, offer your statistics. I'm waiting.

Lol, If my high school principal is to blame for my error, then it's safe to say your parents can be rightly blamed for you.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Lol, If my high school principal is to blame for my error, then it's safe to say your parents can be rightly blamed for you.

Well, yeah. Do we need to have a chat about the birds and the bees?

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

2015
Adrian Peterson - 1st rounder
Doug Martin - 1st rounder
Todd Gurley - 1st rounder
McFadden - 1st
Chris Ivory - Undrafted
Latavius Murray - 6th round
Devonta Freeman - 4th round
Jonathan Stewart - 1st

2014
Demarco Murray - 3rd rounder
Le'Veon Bell - 2nd round
LeSean McCoy - 2nd round
Marshawn Lynch - 1st round
Justin Forsett - Undrafted
Arian Foster - Undrafted
Eddie Lacy - 2nd rounder
Jeremy Hill - 2nd rounder
Frank Gore - 3rd rounder
Lamar Miller - 4th rounder
Alfred Morris - 6th rounder
Matt Forte - 2nd rounder
Jamaal Charles - 3rd rounder

There have been 21 backs the past two seasons that have run for at least 1,000+ yards, ONLY six (6) were former 1st rounders.

Of the remaining 15 RBs:
Five (5) 2nd rounders
Three (3) 3rd rounders
Two (2) 4th rounders
Two (2) 6th rounders
Three (3) Undrafted players

Bottom line: You can get productive backs from anywhere in the draft and a sample of the recent history shows the VAST MAJORITY of productive backs aren't taken in the 1st round, let alone #4 overall.

I look forward to your inept obfuscation and statistically non-sequitur responses.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

2015
Adrian Peterson - 1st rounder
Doug Martin - 1st rounder
Todd Gurley - 1st rounder
McFadden - 1st
Chris Ivory - Undrafted
Latavius Murray - 6th round
Devonta Freeman - 4th round
Jonathan Stewart - 1st

2014
Demarco Murray - 3rd rounder
Le'Veon Bell - 2nd round
LeSean McCoy - 2nd round
Marshawn Lynch - 1st round
Justin Forsett - Undrafted
Arian Foster - Undrafted
Eddie Lacy - 2nd rounder
Jeremy Hill - 2nd rounder
Frank Gore - 3rd rounder
Lamar Miller - 4th rounder
Alfred Morris - 6th rounder
Matt Forte - 2nd rounder
Jamaal Charles - 3rd rounder

There have been 21 backs the past two seasons that have run for at least 1,000+ yards, ONLY six (6) were former 1st rounders.

Of the remaining 15 RBs:
Five (5) 2nd rounders
Three (3) 3rd rounders
Two (2) 4th rounders
Two (2) 6th rounders
Three (3) Undrafted players

Bottom line: You can get productive backs from anywhere in the draft and a sample of the recent history shows the VAST MAJORITY of productive backs aren't taken in the 1st round, let alone #4 overall.

I look forward to your inept obfuscation and statistically non-sequitur responses.

Dude, you literally just proved my point. If you're using 1k yards as your measure of success, then over half of the successful RBs in the league were drafted in the first two rounds. I can't think of another position where more than half of the successful players were drafted so highly. Maybe pass rusher and quarterback? That's it though.