Door not closed on Hardy

[silver]

I guess they are using the same logic as last year............... get him cheap when no one else really will want him.

This appears to be the strategy across the board in free agency.

 

[DC Cowboy]

Yes. Because Jimmy recognized players who could help his team...and those who could hurt it. He would not tolerate me-first players like Owens and Hardy. They do not help teams win, they prevent them from doing so. The fact that neither Owens nor Hardy have won anything of importance is not coincidence, it's not because they happened to play in the wrong place at the wrong time, it is because of them. Dwight Howard is a perfect example of this type of player - guys who tease you with great physical ability, but can never be viewed as positive influences or assets in any team environment because of their poisonous attitudes.

So the game T.O. had in the SB after suffering a broken bone was all about him and caused the Eagles to lose?

 

[cowboyblue22]

I don't think hardy is in the future plans of the dallas cowboys the head coach don't want him back at all.

 

[jnday]

I don't think hardy is in the future plans of the dallas cowboys the head coach don't want him back at all.

The head coach is not capable of handling these type players. It is a shame because Hardy is the best DL in free agency. He was subpar the last half of the season, but he had been out of football for almost two years. He could back in prime form this year.

 

[Idgit]

I don't think hardy is in the future plans of the dallas cowboys the head coach don't want him back at all.

It's pretty clear how Jason feels about him. If the price comes down, and Jerry really wants him, this could get interesting, though. Jerry loves star players at a discount, and he doesn't have a problem imposing headaches on coaches.

 

[Sydla]

I don't think hardy is in the future plans of the dallas cowboys the head coach don't want him back at all.

Here's one time where I hope Jerry's stubbornness and almost innate ability to step on the toes of his coaches comes back into play.

This team needs Hardy. Garrett is a massive fool if he thinks "character" is somehow going to get him an improved pass rush.

 

[DBOY3141]

It's pretty clear how Jason feels about him. If the price comes down, and Jerry really wants him, this could get interesting, though. Jerry loves star players at a discount, and he doesn't have a problem imposing headaches on coaches.

Exactly. See Parcells vs Owens. Jerry wants a SB bad....if Hardy can help achieve that....damn the coaches thoughts.

 

[Doomsay]

Yes, I don't believe that Jason would be very happy.

Should the Cowboys bring Greg Hardy back?

Mosley: "I don't think you bring back Hardy. You talk about emasculating your head coach? That's what it would be. Jason Garrett wants him gone. This guy was disruptive by reportedly partying too much and showing up late to meetings. If Stephen found a way to keep him, Jason would look so weak. Draft Joey Bosa and move on with your lives."

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...boys-bring-back-greg-hardy-sake-jason-garrett

 

[jnday]

And what did Mincey say?????

I tend to trust Sean ales more than Mincey on these matters.

 

[4lifecowboy]

It's pretty clear how Jason feels about him. If the price comes down, and Jerry really wants him, this could get interesting, though. Jerry loves star players at a discount, and he doesn't have a problem imposing headaches on coaches.

Why should he, Garrett is paid millions a year to coach let him earn it.

 

[Idgit]

Exactly. See Parcells vs Owens. Jerry wants a SB bad....if Hardy can help achieve that....damn the coaches thoughts.

Yep. TO is the obvious exact player I was thinking of. That was rough with Bill Parcels on board. But this is the kind of damaging stuff Jerry does to his team from time to time. One of his biggest negatives is that he can't pass up on a bargain on an explosive player and he doesn't mind tramping his employees to do it. Even when those employees are supposed to be the leaders in his locker room.

Yes, I don't believe that Jason would be very happy.

Should the Cowboys bring Greg Hardy back?

Mosley: "I don't think you bring back Hardy. You talk about emasculating your head coach? That's what it would be. Jason Garrett wants him gone. This guy was disruptive by reportedly partying too much and showing up late to meetings. If Stephen found a way to keep him, Jason would look so weak. Draft Joey Bosa and move on with your lives."

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...boys-bring-back-greg-hardy-sake-jason-garrett

This makes more sense to me. People want to believe Garrett couldn't handle him, but I consider that hot air from fans who don't like the coach. The personality things have never been a problem for Garrett, and his players all say as much. But not being focussed and having it affect meetings and planning, that's the sort of thing I can see being a deal breaker for him. It goes against everything he says is important and everything he actually says he looks for in putting his team together.

It'll be interesting to see how this one plays out. My guess is that Stephen/Garrett win it, but you never know. I'm not sure another team is going to have much interest in Greg Hardy at this point.

 

[Sydla]

Yes, I don't believe that Jason would be very happy.

Should the Cowboys bring Greg Hardy back?

Mosley: "I don't think you bring back Hardy. You talk about emasculating your head coach? That's what it would be. Jason Garrett wants him gone. This guy was disruptive by reportedly partying too much and showing up late to meetings. If Stephen found a way to keep him, Jason would look so weak. Draft Joey Bosa and move on with your lives."

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...boys-bring-back-greg-hardy-sake-jason-garrett

Garrett would look weak?

Wut?

He already looks like a puppet. How would bringing back Hardy change that?

Mosley has been pimping Bosa so of course he wants Hardy gone as that ups the chances Bosa is picked.

 

[4lifecowboy]

Yes, I don't believe that Jason would be very happy.

Should the Cowboys bring Greg Hardy back?

Mosley: "I don't think you bring back Hardy. You talk about emasculating your head coach? That's what it would be. Jason Garrett wants him gone. This guy was disruptive by reportedly partying too much and showing up late to meetings. If Stephen found a way to keep him, Jason would look so weak. Draft Joey Bosa and move on with your lives."

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...boys-bring-back-greg-hardy-sake-jason-garrett

5 million a year isn't that what Garrett make? Emasculated ? How in the world is doing what your employer tell you to do emasculating. This isn't a partnership he os an employee.

 

[Idgit]

Why should he, Garrett is paid millions a year to coach let him earn it.

For that very reason. You don't bring your coach in and then saddle him with players he thinks detract from what he's trying to build. Garrett earns his money by building and coaching the team he thinks he can be successful with.

 

[Daillest88]

I tend to trust Sean ales more than Mincey on these matters.

Really why?? Why would Mincey lie?

 

[Sydla]

This makes more sense to me. People want to believe Garrett couldn't handle him, but I consider that hot air from fans who don't like the coach. The personality things have never been a problem for Garrett, and his players all say as much. But not being focussed and having it affect meetings and planning, that's the sort of thing I can see being a deal breaker for him. It goes against everything he says is important and everything he actually says he looks for in putting his team together.

It'll be interesting to see how this one plays out. My guess is that Stephen/Garrett win it, but you never know. I'm not sure another team is going to have much interest in Greg Hardy at this point.

If you believe the stories out of Carolina, while he was "off" there, the coaching staff knew how to push his right buttons and get him to buy in. Rivera is a stronger willed coach than Garrett.

And that's really the hallmark of some great coaches.......... the ability to handle guys who just weren't great fits. Belichick, for all the chatter that he's a tough guy who demands buy in, he's taken chances on "problem" players like Corey Dillon, Randy Moss and been able to reign them in to an extent to fit what he wanted to do. Jimmy Johnson clearly had a similar kind of ability when he ran the Cowboys.

Garrett's management style seems to be that he has only one way to get something done and if you don't immediately buy in, see ya. That's a terrible way to run a football team. Look at what it got Chip Kelly in Philly.

 

[Idgit]

Garrett would look weak?

Wut?

He already looks like a puppet. How would bringing back Hardy change that?

Mosley has been pimping Bosa so of course he wants Hardy gone as that ups the chances Bosa is picked.

Lol. I'm not sure that's how it works.

And Jason Garrett is only a puppet in the fantasies of message board posters who don't pay attention to what's really going on in the organization. Jerry's the owner and GM. Jason's the coach. The structure in Dallas isn't all that different from the structure anywhere else in the league.

 

[Sydla]

Lol. I'm not sure that's how it works.

And Jason Garrett is only a puppet in the fantasies of message board posters who don't pay attention to what's really going on in the organization. Jerry's the owner and GM. Jason's the coach. The structure in Dallas isn't all that different from the structure anywhere else in the league.

Except that's not really true. The Jones have far more influence in what happens in the coaching and front office areas that you want to admit. For example, you think it was Garrett who really wanted Kiffin as DC? Nope. That was forced upon him by the Jones family who also pretty much forced Rob Ryan on him as well.

 

[4lifecowboy]

For that very reason. You don't bring your coach in and then saddle him with players he thinks detract from what he's trying to build. Garrett earns his money by building and coaching the team he thinks he can be successful with.

To a degree you have a point, the coach's opinions should carry a significant weight in player decision but also a coach have to have the capacity to deal with difficult personalities whether free agents or player drafted it is part of the job. The coach's job is to get the most out of the team he has.

 

[Idgit]

If you believe the stories out of Carolina, while he was "off" there, the coaching staff knew how to push his right buttons and get him to buy in. Rivera is a stronger willed coach than Garrett.

And that's really the hallmark of some great coaches.......... the ability to handle guys who just weren't great fits. Garrett's management style seems to be that he has only one way to get something done and if you don't immediately buy in, see ya. That's a terrible way to run a football team. Look at what it got Chip Kelly in Philly.

No sure why you've decided Rivera is stronger willed than Jason Garrett, but since there's zero evidence to support that argument either way, I'll leave it alone.

Hardy, if you weren't paying attention, had his share of problems when he was in Carolina, too. With the exact things that appear to have gotten him out of favor in Dallas. His teammates have been very supportive of his effort on the field and on game day in both places. Jason Garrett himself has been very positive about Greg Hardy's effort in practices and in games. It's the rest of the time where he struggles.

That hallmark of great coaches is *not* the ability to handle guys who aren't great fits. Great coaches assemble great players who fit. The league is littered with great coaches who cut bait on great players when they're deemed to be more trouble than they're worth.

Greg Hardy's problem was that he didn't correct any of the things that got him into trouble in CAR. That's the reason the Cowboys don't want him back, and it's the reason why a very talented pass rusher in his prime is still sitting around his house this late into free agency.

If you're take were right, there are several great coaches in this league who'd step right up and handle this guy whose only problem is he's not a great fit and just needs a little tough love. They're not stepping up.