Door not closed on Hardy

[robjay04]

Except that's not really true. The Jones have far more influence in what happens in the coaching and front office areas that you want to admit. For example, you think it was Garrett who really wanted Kiffin as DC? Nope. That was forced upon him by the Jones family who also pretty much forced Rob Ryan on him as well.

My understanding is that Ryan was forced on him, Kiffin was his guy but maybe I am wrong. Who really knows anyways?

 

[DC Cowboy]

I tend to trust Sean ales more than Mincey on these matters.

I think what we have is 2 different takes on the same situation, now him coming in late may not have bother Lee, b/c they are in two different mtg. rooms. It many have bothered Mincey. But the ULTIMATE goal is to win and Mincey isn't going to help us as much as Hardy.

 

[Idgit]

To a degree you have a point, the coach's opinions should carry a significant weight in player decision but also a coach have to have the capacity to deal with difficult personalities whether free agents or player drafted it is part of the job. The coach's job is to get the most out of the team he has.

We really don't know what the issue with Hardy is, so this is all guesswork anyway. But I think the team's willing to deal with a lot of typical problems from players. Alcoholism (Brent), bi-polarity (Gregory), mental health (Randle), focus and temper (Dez). One thing Jason talks about repeatedly that's important to him is football being important to the player. The temper tantrums and the internal friction might not be what's at issue here. It could just be that they don't think the game is important to Greg Hardy right now and they don't want to deal with that no matter how much they need an impact pass rush player.

 

[DeaconMoss]

I doubt he's interested in backing up Benson Mayowa.

Im officially changing his name to BMayo

 

[Idgit]

Except that's not really true. The Jones have far more influence in what happens in the coaching and front office areas that you want to admit. For example, you think it was Garrett who really wanted Kiffin as DC? Nope. That was forced upon him by the Jones family who also pretty much forced Rob Ryan on him as well.

Except it is really true. Of course the owner/GM has influence in assembling a staff. That's no different from almost any NFL city.

The Kiffin hire was stupid from the outset, but, of course I think Garrett was on board with it. Garrett played on that Tampa team when Kiffin was the DC there and they had a prior relationship. The team wanted to simplify it's defensive system with the advent of the new CBA and put an emphasis on takeaways. I understand why they went the direction they did, but they flat out put the wrong guy in place.

And no, Rob Ryan wasn't forced in Jason Garrett, either. I don't know where you guys get this stuff. Rob was another mistake, but he came about because the guy Garrett really wanted (Capers) wasn't available and they needed to move on a 3-4 coordinator after Wade left. Not really a great mystery there, either.

 

[John813]

It's smart for the FO to not burn bridges.

Still don't think they are interested in signing him till maybe MC/TC.
Don't think any other team is willing to sign him now unless he takes a sweetheart deal.

 

[jnday]

Really why?? Why would Mincey lie?

The better question is why would Lee lie?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

The head coach is not capable of handling these type players. It is a shame because Hardy is the best DL in free agency. He was subpar the last half of the season, but he had been out of football for almost two years. He could back in prime form this year.

By your logic it appears no team's head coach is capable of handling Hardy given that a in his prime pass rusher with exhibited success on the field languishes in free agency.

 

[Kaiser]

Really why?? Why would Mincey lie?

Mincey called the same radio program the day after his comments and said he had been misunderstood, hadn't worded his comments correctly, etc.

 

[Daillest88]

The better question is why would Lee lie?

Dunno. Seems like he wouldn't want to keep answering questions bout him.. All I know is we aren't even trying to sign him.. Actions speak louder than words

 

[Galian Beast]

Defensive coordinator said he wanted him back, defensive captain said he didn't impact chemistry to the point that they were losing because of it.

 

[Sydla]

No sure why you've decided Rivera is stronger willed than Jason Garrett, but since there's zero evidence to support that argument either way, I'll leave it alone.

Hardy, if you weren't paying attention, had his share of problems when he was in Carolina, too. With the exact things that appear to have gotten him out of favor in Dallas. His teammates have been very supportive of his effort on the field and on game day in both places. Jason Garrett himself has been very positive about Greg Hardy's effort in practices and in games. It's the rest of the time where he struggles.

That hallmark of great coaches is *not* the ability to handle guys who aren't great fits. Great coaches assemble great players who fit. The league is littered with great coaches who cut bait on great players when they're deemed to be more trouble than they're worth.

Greg Hardy's problem was that he didn't correct any of the things that got him into trouble in CAR. That's the reason the Cowboys don't want him back, and it's the reason why a very talented pass rusher in his prime is still sitting around his house this late into free agency.

If you're take were right, there are several great coaches in this league who'd step right up and handle this guy whose only problem is he's not a great fit and just needs a little tough love. They're not stepping up.

Largely because most teams are not willing to take the PR hit that would come with taking on Hardy. We already have taken the hit.

Let's put it another way, let's say Hardy didn't have that issue with beating his girlfriend and his only issue was being kind of a weird, problem child in the locker room. You can bet your *** he'd have been signed by now because teams are always willing to take chances on an uber talented pass rusher.

But once you throw in the fact Hardy has that off the field past in an environment where the NFL and Cowboys and Ravens came under significant fire for how they handled players involved in domestic violence situations, he's now toxic to a lot of team regardless of how talented he is or how much that team thinks they could get him back in line.

 

[Sydla]

By your logic it appears no team's head coach is capable of handling Hardy given that a in his prime pass rusher with exhibited success on the field languishes in free agency.

Of course you leave out a pretty substantial piece of the puzzle as to why Hardy probably isn't signed by anyone.

 

[DandyDon1722]

Elliott is not in play.

Umm....just because you don't want him does not mean he is not in play. You just can't talk him out of the equation because you want to. And just to show how timing is everything this if from today's DMN.

Five more analyst believe Elliottt to be the best option for the Cowboys.

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...umps-bandwagon-projecting-star-cowboys-pick-4

Nobody knows how it's going to play out - but it's one of the most interesting drafts in a long time.

 

[Kaiser]

Let's put it another way, let's say Hardy didn't have that issue with beating his girlfriend and his only issue was being kind of a weird, problem child in the locker room. You can bet your *** he'd have been signed by now because teams are always willing to take chances on an uber talented pass rusher.

Not if they completely overpaid him last year and want him to test the market, then come back on much smaller contract than last year.

 

[Sydla]

Umm....just because you don't want him does not mean he is not in play. You just can't talk him out of the equation because you want to. And just to show how timing is everything this if from today's DMN.

Five more analyst believe Elliottt to be the best option for the Cowboys.

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...umps-bandwagon-projecting-star-cowboys-pick-4

Nobody knows how it's going to play out - but it's one of the most interesting drafts in a long time.

It has nothing to do with what I want or don't want. I've said I think Elliott is a fine player.

I just pay attention to what the Cowboys say and do and if you are paying attention, it seems unlikely they'd take a TB at #4.

 

[Idgit]

Largely because most teams are not willing to take the PR hit that would come with taking on Hardy. We already have taken the hit.

Let's put it another way, let's say Hardy didn't have that issue with beating his girlfriend and his only issue was being kind of a weird, problem child in the locker room. You can bet your *** he'd have been signed by now because teams are always willing to take chances on an uber talented pass rusher.

But once you throw in the fact Hardy has that off the field past in an environment where the NFL and Cowboys and Ravens came under significant fire for how they handled players involved in domestic violence situations, he's now toxic to a lot of team regardless of how talented he is or how much that team thinks they could get him back in line.

There's no way of knowing. The Ravens, obviously, will stay away from DV cases for reasons of their own.

Beyond that, though, I think the issue is probably more his reputation for what goes on on his football teams than it is anything stemming from the DV case. That and the fact that he's been pretty much unrepentant about his involvement in the case. Had he just apologized and kept his mouth shut, he'd be past it by now and working on a new deal with some club or other.

Dallas, obviously, was able to get past the DV charges in the first place. What's changed between this year and last year didn't have anything to do with violence towards women.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Of course you leave out a pretty substantial piece of the puzzle as to why Hardy probably isn't signed by anyone.

Which was my point.

 

[Sydla]

There's no way of knowing. The Ravens, obviously, will stay away from DV cases for reasons of their own.

Beyond that, though, I think the issue is probably more his reputation for what goes on on his football teams than it is anything stemming from the DV case. That and the fact that he's been pretty much unrepentant about his involvement in the case. Had he just apologized and kept his mouth shut, he'd be past it by now and working on a new deal with some club or other.

Dallas, obviously, was able to get past the DV charges in the first place. What's changed between this year and last year didn't have anything to do with violence towards women.

No offense, but you are being naïve if you don't think the biggest issue facing Hardy right now and why teams aren't willing to take him on is the fact that he's completely toxic from a PR perspective.

 

[DandyDon1722]

It has nothing to do with what I want or don't want. I've said I think Elliott is a fine player.

I just pay attention to what the Cowboys say and do and if you are paying attention, it seems unlikely they'd take a TB at #4.

I agree it's unlikely and I pretty much pay attention every day and I haven't seen the team tip their hand at all except for Jerry saying QB was not in play. Then, even if you believe that you have to take into consideration that anything they might say right now would most likely be misdirection.