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tunahelper;3105538 said:
OK, mall cop you have uncovered a conspiracy. I rewatched the game and focused on Free. I noticed one on one Free did not get any movement in the ground game. It explains why we run to the left/middle 90% of the time the last two games.

No, we haven't. Against Oakland, we ran more often to the right side (8 attempts, including 5 to the right end/tackle) than the left (5 attempts, including 4 to the left end/tackle), with much more success (6.1 ypc to the right side and 9.2 to the right tackle/end, versus 1.2 ypc to the left side and 1.5 to the left end/tackle).

EDIT: And the numbers for the Washington game are similar. We ran more often to the right side (13 attempts, including 11 to the right end/tackle) than the left (10 attempts, including 8 to the left end/tackle), with almost identical success (4.18 ypc to the right, 4.25 ypc to the left).

So for those counting at home, over the last two games, 21 of our runs have gone to the right, versus 15 to the left and 20 to the middle. And we've been pretty efficient running to Free's side, too.
 

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NinePointOh;3105575 said:
Except that we don't. Against Oakland, we ran more often to the right side (8 attempts, including 5 to the right end/tackle) than the left (5 attempts, including 4 to the left end/tackle), with much more success (6.1 ypc to the right side and 9.2 to the right tackle/end, versus 1.2 ypc to the left side and 1.5 to the left end/tackle).

EDIT: And the numbers for the Washington game are similar. We ran more often to the right side (13 attempts, including 11 to the right end/tackle) than the left (10 attempts, including 8 to the left end/tackle), with almost identical success (4.18 ypc to the right, 4.25 ypc to the left).


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NinePointOh;3105575 said:
Except that we don't. Against Oakland, we ran more often to the right side (8 attempts, including 5 to the right end/tackle) than the left (5 attempts, including 4 to the left end/tackle), with much more success (6.1 ypc to the right side and 9.2 to the right tackle/end, versus 1.2 ypc to the left side and 1.5 to the left end/tackle).

EDIT: And the numbers for the Washington game are similar. We ran more often to the right side (13 attempts, including 11 to the right end/tackle) than the left (10 attempts, including 8 to the left end/tackle), with almost identical success (4.18 ypc to the right, 4.25 ypc to the left).

I did not see off tackle runs to Free much at all. If you consider the 2 hole dive plays running behind Free as running right then OK.
 

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Free showed good footwork and was outstanding on the bubble screen to Austin. He didn't look out of place and I can see him playing more than one position. He's a Tackle by my eyes and I hope he develops like LA did at Guard.
 

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tunahelper;3105611 said:
I did not see off tackle runs to Free much at all. If you consider the 2 hole dive plays running behind Free as running right then OK.

It's not my consideration. It's the NFL game book.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/20091...:analyze/analyze-channels:cat-post-playbyplay

1-10-DAL 20 (12:43) 24-M.Barber right tackle to DAL 24 for 4 yards (99-G.Ellis).
1-15-OAK 32 (10:58) 24-M.Barber right tackle to OAK 31 for 1 yard (99-G.Ellis; 93-T.Kelly).
1-10-DAL 20 (5:37) 28-F.Jones right tackle to DAL 28 for 8 yards (77-M.Shaughnessy).
3-1-DAL 20 (7:26) 24-M.Barber right tackle to OAK 48 for 32 yards (91-T.Scott).
2-9-OAK 47 (5:47) 24-M.Barber right tackle to OAK 46 for 1 yard (98-J.Richardson).

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/20091...#analyze/analyze-channels:cat-post-playbyplay

1-10-WAS 40 (10:17) 28-F.Jones right end to WAS 32 for 8 yards (96-C.Griffin; 59-L.Fletcher).
2-2-WAS 32 (9:29) 24-M.Barber right tackle to WAS 24 for 8 yards (59-L.Fletcher; 37-R.Doughty).
2-2-WAS 16 (8:07) 24-M.Barber right tackle to WAS 12 for 4 yards (59-L.Fletcher).
1-10-DAL 24 (10:16) 24-M.Barber right end to DAL 26 for 2 yards (59-L.Fletcher).
1-10-DAL 49 (8:27) 24-M.Barber right tackle to WAS 47 for 4 yards (54-H.Blades).
1-10-DAL 20 (6:06) 28-F.Jones right end to DAL 22 for 2 yards (23-D.Hall).
2-4-DAL 49 (4:05) 28-F.Jones right tackle to WAS 48 for 3 yards (37-R.Doughty).
2-2-WAS 39 (1:59) 24-M.Barber right end pushed ob at WAS 30 for 9 yards (37-R.Doughty).
1-20-WAS 40 (1:49) 24-M.Barber right end pushed ob at WAS 38 for 2 yards (95-C.Wilson). Romo lateralled to Barber.
2-10-WAS 37 (1:46) 24-M.Barber right tackle to WAS 35 for 2 yards (59-L.Fletcher).
3-8-WAS 35 (1:02) 24-M.Barber right end to WAS 33 for 2 yards (30-L.Landry).
 

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NinePointOh;3105642 said:
It's not my consideration. It's the NFL game book.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/20091...:analyze/analyze-channels:cat-post-playbyplay

1-10-DAL 20 (12:43) 24-M.Barber right tackle to DAL 24 for 4 yards (99-G.Ellis).
1-15-OAK 32 (10:58) 24-M.Barber right tackle to OAK 31 for 1 yard (99-G.Ellis; 93-T.Kelly).
1-10-DAL 20 (5:37) 28-F.Jones right tackle to DAL 28 for 8 yards (77-M.Shaughnessy).
3-1-DAL 20 (7:26) 24-M.Barber right tackle to OAK 48 for 32 yards (91-T.Scott).
2-9-OAK 47 (5:47) 24-M.Barber right tackle to OAK 46 for 1 yard (98-J.Richardson).

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/20091...#analyze/analyze-channels:cat-post-playbyplay

1-10-WAS 40 (10:17) 28-F.Jones right end to WAS 32 for 8 yards (96-C.Griffin; 59-L.Fletcher).
2-2-WAS 32 (9:29) 24-M.Barber right tackle to WAS 24 for 8 yards (59-L.Fletcher; 37-R.Doughty).
2-2-WAS 16 (8:07) 24-M.Barber right tackle to WAS 12 for 4 yards (59-L.Fletcher).
1-10-DAL 24 (10:16) 24-M.Barber right end to DAL 26 for 2 yards (59-L.Fletcher).
1-10-DAL 49 (8:27) 24-M.Barber right tackle to WAS 47 for 4 yards (54-H.Blades).
1-10-DAL 20 (6:06) 28-F.Jones right end to DAL 22 for 2 yards (23-D.Hall).
2-4-DAL 49 (4:05) 28-F.Jones right tackle to WAS 48 for 3 yards (37-R.Doughty).
2-2-WAS 39 (1:59) 24-M.Barber right end pushed ob at WAS 30 for 9 yards (37-R.Doughty).
1-20-WAS 40 (1:49) 24-M.Barber right end pushed ob at WAS 38 for 2 yards (95-C.Wilson). Romo lateralled to Barber.
2-10-WAS 37 (1:46) 24-M.Barber right tackle to WAS 35 for 2 yards (59-L.Fletcher).
3-8-WAS 35 (1:02) 24-M.Barber right end to WAS 33 for 2 yards (30-L.Landry).

16 out of 58 plays are run towards the "right". I guess my quick math should have said 73% to left/middle. That is assuming some of these plays were not cut back runs or busted plays that our backs made adjustment too? Still shows me a hint of caution running behind Free.
 

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tunahelper;3105677 said:
16 out of 58 plays are run towards the "right". I guess my quick math should have said 73% to left/middle.

Nope, those are just the runs that have gone specifically to the right tackle/end, not the entire right side.

It's also out of 56, not 58 -- unless you think Romo scrambling for positive yardage has any bearing on the conversation.

38% have gone to the right side, 36% have gone to the middle, and 26% have gone to the left side. You could have said 62% to the left/middle, but that doesn't really help your case since that encompasses two-thirds of the offensive line and accounts for fewer than two-thirds of our rushing attempts. I could just as easily say 74% have gone to the right/middle.

That is assuming some of these plays were not cut back runs or busted plays that our backs made adjustment too? Still shows me a hint of caution running behind Free.
Unless you have reason to believe there were more of those to the right than to there were the left and middle, it makes no difference. Either way, if we tried to run left, but the back decided that the right end had better lanes, that's hardly an indictment of Free, is it?
 

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casmith07;3105352 said:
It was only the Oakland Raiders, but given his performance against three relatively prolific pass rushers in Brian Orakpo, Greg Ellis, and a little Richard Seymour, does anyone else think that this guy might end up competing for a spot on the starting line next year?

Invariably people will bring up Flozell, so I'll go ahead and just say his name (I just did) in order to talk about who would get replaced. With Flozell getting older and being more expensive, it might make more sense to try to get Doug Free in there at LT, or possibly move Colombo to the other side and leave Free at RT.

Just some thoughts, but overall I'm liking what I'm seeing from Doug Free (except the False Start!)

When did you see Richard Seymour line up on Doug Free side? I seen Greg Ellis.
 

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NinePointOh;3105703 said:
Nope, those are just the runs that have gone specifically to the right tackle/end, not the entire right side.

38% have gone to the right side, 36% have gone to the middle, and 26% have gone to the left side. You could have said 62% to the left/middle, but that doesn't really help your case since that encompasses two-thirds of the offensive line and accounts for fewer than two-thirds of our rushing attempts. I could just as easily say 74% have gone to the right/middle.

Unless you have reason to believe there were more of those to the right than to there were the left and middle, it makes no difference. Either way, if we tried to run left, but the back decided that the right end had better lanes, that's hardly an indictment of Free, is it?

I'm stepping in and stopping the fight right here.
 

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NinePointOh;3105703 said:
Nope, those are just the runs that have gone specifically to the right tackle/end, not the entire right side.

It's also out of 56, not 58 -- unless you think Romo scrambling for positive yardage has any bearing on the conversation.

38% have gone to the right side, 36% have gone to the middle, and 26% have gone to the left side. You could have said 62% to the left/middle, but that doesn't really help your case since that encompasses two-thirds of the offensive line and accounts for fewer than two-thirds of our rushing attempts. I could just as easily say 74% have gone to the right/middle.

Unless you have reason to believe there were more of those to the right than to there were the left and middle, it makes no difference. Either way, if we tried to run left, but the back decided that the right end had better lanes, that's hardly an indictment of Free, is it?

Nope sorry its 58 runs total! Your point is so solid with a 73% clip. LOL
 

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MichaelWinicki;3105755 said:
Good thing because the T. Helper just got a major beat-down.

A beatdown considering you slapped and have nothing now you side with a stat boy saying 73% running to one side is balanced. I wonder if those numbers hold when Colombo was playing, since you celebrate how great Free is playing? You Davis on the right side, yet you run 27% of the time towards him? You guys are geniuses!
 

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How about 5 runs out 24 last game? Sounds like a solid gameplan running behind Free to me? LOL

Later mall cops you guys are playing with fuzzy math!
 

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THUMPER;3105438 said:
I thought so as well. Not sure what's up with Leonard Davis lately but he has been struggling a bit and even getting bull-rushed at times. I never thought I would see that happen.

I would assume that both guys are bit nicked and just playing through it. Sometimes they look great and other times they look weak.

its all about leverage, if Biggs gets lazy and doesnt stay low in his stance, the smaller defender will get under his pads and easily bull rush him. football 101, that's biggs #1 is motivation and his will to play every down hard. i think he takes plays off, sometimes he gets away with it but more often then not he pays the price.
 

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tunahelper;3105765 said:
Nope sorry its 58 runs total! Your point is so solid with a 73% clip. LOL

Actually, the 56 included the scramble. It's 58 only if you're also counting Romo kneeling down twice to run out the clock. I'm not sure why you think an intentional kneel-down, which is scored as a run for a loss up the middle, supports your criticism of Free.

tunahelper;3105767 said:
A beatdown considering you slapped and have nothing now you side with a stat boy saying 73% running to one side is balanced. I wonder if those numbers hold when Colombo was playing, since you celebrate how great Free is playing? You Davis on the right side, yet you run 27% of the time towards him? You guys are geniuses!

I haven't the foggiest idea what point you think you're making. We definitely didn't run 74% to one side, though. Like I said, we ran 38% right, 36% middle, 26% left. The 74% is if you combine right and middle, which are in fact two different directions (HINT: 1+1=2).

tunahelper;3105768 said:
How about 5 runs out 24 last game? Sounds like a solid gameplan running behind Free to me? LOL

Again, I have no idea what point you think you're making. Free represents 20% of our starting offensive linemen, and 21% of our runs against Oakland went behind him. That plan was solid enough to gain 9.2 yards per carry on those 5 runs.
 

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I haven't the foggiest idea what point you think you're making. We definitely didn't run 74% to one side, though. Like I said, we ran 38% right, 36% middle, 26% left. The 74% is if you combine right and middle, which are in fact two different directions (HINT: 1+1=2). Wrong your stats were 16 runs out 56 total towards Free? The runs stats state off tackle or sweep to right?

You responded to my original post that stated does not run behind Free. I guessed the run to the left/middle 90% of the time.

Then you attempted to correct me by saying they run 11 out 56 (feel better) total runs are behind Free. You validated my intial point and your attempt to disapprove my assumption that Free doesnt get much movement in the run game was also proven correct. Thanks!

My point continued that the staff does not feel comfortable running his direction, due to his lack of movement in the run game. Your stats confirmed what I was seeing and you failed!
 

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tunahelper;3105810 said:
I haven't the foggiest idea what point you think you're making. We definitely didn't run 74% to one side, though. Like I said, we ran 38% right, 36% middle, 26% left. The 74% is if you combine right and middle, which are in fact two different directions (HINT: 1+1=2). Wrong your stats were 16 runs out 56 total towards Free? The runs stats state off tackle or sweep to right?

You responded to my original post that stated does not run behind Free. I guessed the run to the left/middle 90% of the time.

Then you attempted to correct me by saying they run 11 out 56 (feel better) total runs are behind Free. You validated my intial point and your attempt to disapprove my assumption that Free doesnt get much movement in the run game was also proven correct. Thanks!

My point continued that the staff does not feel comfortable running his direction, due to his lack of movement in the run game. Your stats confirmed what I was seeing and you failed!

His stats prove we run more to the right since Free has been in the lineup then we do to the left.

You are the only person who thinks you are correct.

Stop making yourself look dumber than we already think you are.

Stay down.
 
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