Draft Grade thus far?

[JBS]

C and a F for those two picks?

Don't see that at all. Murray grade is up in the air but I think F is a bit much.

I agree..while I admit that Murray didnt fill the biggest need..I do think he adds a much needed dimension to our passing attack..

 

[tomson75]

I've got a B- trending towards a C with only one need addressed so far, OT.

That sounds about right.

drafting BPA >>>> drafting needs

Free agency comes after the draft, thats where needs get filled

I agree.....but at some point, your draft board is going to have players that are closely grouped in terms of prospective ability, and if you have a player at a position of great need ranked only a spot or two behind a player at a position of moderate need (and a position that has historically been proven to be easily filled by late round draft picks and FA's).....you may want to reassess your needs. Unless, of course, the immediate future is of little concern.

I guess the Cowboys didn't have any OL ranked anywhere near the 70th pick....

All of this could become clearer with an aggressive plan in FA though....but unless the Cowboys intend on targeting some veteran talent on the OL and in the secondary.....our 3rd round pick is certainly going to be heavily scrutinized for some time to come.

 

[Patton]

Which point is wrong?

Gadget back or the team not coming apart at the seams?

 

[JBS]

why take an offensive lineman or a cb or safety that we have rated as a 4th rounder for example instead of a RB that we have rated in the 3rd? you cant argue w that thought process

 

[JBS]

That sounds about right.



I agree.....but at some point, your draft board is going to have players that are closely grouped in terms of prospective ability, and if you have a player at a position of great need ranked only a spot or two behind a player at a position of moderate need (and a position that has historically been proven to be easily filled by late round draft picks and FA's).....you may want to reassess your needs. Unless, of course, the immediate future is of little concern.

I guess the Cowboys didn't have any OL ranked anywhere near the 70th pick....

All of this could become clearer with an aggressive plan in FA though....but unless the Cowboys intend on targeting some veteran talent on the OL and in the secondary.....our 3rd round pick is certainly going to be heavily scrutinized for some time to come.

exactly what jerry said was the case...now whether he is fibing or not is a different story..he is a great salesman

 

[Aikmaniac]

Seriously...

I'm still trying to figure out how the Murray pick deserves an F.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

It's hard to grade a draft until its over,, if they snag a decent OL/DL prospect we will all feel better about picking a running back,, though I would argue a fast 3rd down RB who excels at pass receiving and special teams does fill a need. Remember how Parcells ranked player's worth by how many plays per game they could give you? Murray will contribute and he's a big play back.

B

 

[jterrell]

drafting BPA >>>> drafting needs

Free agency comes after the draft, thats where needs get filled

This simplistic argument has been shot down a hundred times and most eloquently by Bob Sturm. The NFL is about athleticism but it is also about skill and scheme. Lots of track stars bomb out of football. Michael Irvin was a 4.6 guy who made the Hall of Fame.

All that said, no one wants a slow, unathletic team.

So I think there is a balance there where you take the best talent that fits your schemes.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Which point is wrong?

Gadget back or the team not coming apart at the seams?

It's a bit much to call him a gadget back. He will be getting a ton of snaps on offense with Barber and Choice gone. Not to mention special teams.

You think the Cowboys are coming apart at the seams? Really?

 

[JBS]

This simplistic argument has been shot down a hundred times and most eloquently by Bob Sturm. The NFL is about athleticism but it is also about skill and scheme. Lots of track stars bomb out of football. Michael Irvin was a 4.6 guy who made the Hall of Fame.

All that said, no one wants a slow, unathletic team.

So I think there is a balance there where you take the best talent that fits your schemes.

this is my main argument in favor of murray..i think he fits garretts scheme perfectly

 

[jterrell]

It's hard to grade a draft until its over,, if they snag a decent OL/DL prospect we will all feel better about picking a running back,, though I would argue a fast 3rd down RB who excels at pass receiving and special teams does fill a need. Remember how Parcells ranked player's worth by how many plays per game they could give you? Murray will contribute and he's a big play back.

B

I understand the reason you say this and Goose even weighs the later rounds more heavily. But, I believe the average guy can not rate drafts past 3 rounds. We begin to see prospects we don't know and didn't study come off boards. Even the hardest core draftniks are going to be mostly clueless come round 6. Those picks absolutely count but grading them imho is more shot in the dark than educated guess. Generally, people know and understand early picks.

 

[tomson75]

exactly what jerry said was the case...now whether he is fibing or not is a different story..he is a great salesman

Interesting...I hadn't heard that. I guess that was true for CB's and safeties as well....

Did he say whether or not he had tried to maneuver out of that spot? It seems to me that even if you're drafting for BPA, you would logically try and maneuver into spots where you find value in positions of need. I understand that this isn't always possible, but damn....a RB? Why in the.....so we can watch another one run into the back's of our lazy *** offensive linemen? Seems pointless to me until the line is fixed (RG).

 

[BourbonBalz]

why take an offensive lineman or a cb or safety that we have rated as a 4th rounder for example instead of a RB that we have rated in the 3rd? you cant argue w that thought process

In my opinion, yes you can argue with that "thought process". If you desperately need an OL and you don't need a RB, you can throw that "thought process" in the crapper. I don't care where they're rated on the board. Our draft boards have proven to be about as worthless as an ironing board quite often.

 

[Woods]

I'd give it a solid B overall.

There were no reaches in this Draft. T Smith was regarded as a Top 10 talent by many. B Carter was regarded as a 2nd round pick given his recent injury. And Murray was regarded as a 3rd rounder by many as well.

I think the first two picks can be home runs potentially. We will have to wait and see.

It was obvious that we were going to take a RB somewhere in the Draft since MBIII was going to be gone. No surprise there. The only question was which round.

Remember, cutting MBIII also allows us to save money and sign guys like Huff (hopefully) in FA. But you need to have a guy in place before you cut him . . . . Obviously, the Cowboys liked Murray. The Cowboys spent a lot of time with him before the Draft.

We still have 5 picks to go. I'm sure we'll get a few more quality players.

 

[TheCount]

exactly what jerry said was the case...now whether he is fibing or not is a different story..he is a great salesman

Is he? He hasn't sold a thing in ages.

The last deal we made out on was Quinn, other than that we've failed to get value out of a trade and been fleeced for Roy Williams in recent years.

 

[JBS]

Is he? He hasn't sold a thing in ages.

The last deal we made out on was Quinn, other than that we've failed to get value out of a trade and been fleeced for Roy Williams in recent years.

you must be foolish

is our fanbase not entirely sold on how well this team is going to perform each and every year?

who on earth is selling that to the fans?

sure wasnt wade phillips the last 4 years

 

[TheCount]

you must be foolish

is our fanbase not entirely sold on how well this team is going to perform each and every year?

who on earth is selling that to the fans?

sure wasnt wade phillips the last 4 years

Careful there, tiger.

 

[Patton]

It's a bit much to call him a gadget back. He will be getting a ton of snaps on offense with Barber and Choice gone. Not to mention special teams.

You think the Cowboys are coming apart at the seams? Really?

Absolutely.

- They've stood pat on (you can't expect Carter to do anything this year, realistically) one of the worst defenses in the NFL thus far. There are question marks the size of Montana in the secondary and nothing has been done to address the anemic defensive line.

- The interior of the offensive line is only getting creakier and there are no replacements in sight.

Some of the biggest issues with this team have gone unaddressed to pick a player who won't add much. I've seen this song and dance before. I don't have much confidence in Jason Garrett utilizing the guy properly.

 

[JBS]

Interesting...I hadn't heard that. I guess that was true for CB's and safeties as well....

Did he say whether or not he had tried to maneuver out of that spot? It seems to me that even if you're drafting for BPA, you would logically try and maneuver into spots where you find value in positions of need. I understand that this isn't always possible, but damn....a RB? Why in the.....so we can watch another one run into the back's of our lazy *** offensive linemen? Seems pointless to me until the line is fixed (RG).

according to jerry, murray was ranked a full round above the next guy on our board..again, could just be jerry selling the pick..but thats what he said

 

[jterrell]

why take an offensive lineman or a cb or safety that we have rated as a 4th rounder for example instead of a RB that we have rated in the 3rd? you cant argue w that thought process

Actually, you can

A team needs more DBs and they have more value. You can draft a RB in r6 that can start for you. We have seen endless UDFA RBs start. And I am not talking the rare Tony Romo lottery type hit but the fact the top 20 rushers in 2010 included Arian Foster(1st), LeGarrette Blount, and that Ben 4 name guy.

All that said, Dallas can use a RB so I don't see an issue grabbing one they have scouted a lot and know a lot about.