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I'm not saying that Houston not a good player, it's just that people seem to be overating him, every thing I have seen from PFW, TSN, Lindy's and Kiper all have Revis rated higher. Would anyone like a wager who goes higher Revis or Houston?.
 

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Well, I'm Shocked, Great Blue Draft Report has Houston as the #1 CB. NFL Draft Countdown has Revis just slightly ahead, Maybe Houston's :bow: better then I Thought.
 

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I'm just saying Houston did not just rise because he ran a good 40 time. He rose because he went up against the best WR's in the country and more than held his own, then went to the Combine and showed he's an elite athlete. And I think the actuall time spent breaking down film of some of the internet draft services are questionable, at best. Not many people heard of Houston before this season, so the ones who are basing their evaluations based on who were the "hot names" coming into the season are going to be missing the boat.

If I'm a defense that asks my CB's to play on an island in man to man, I would rather have Houston. I don't think Revis is a great pure cover guy. If I'm playing a lot of Cover 2, I might rather have Revis because of his run skills and nose for the football. But Revis is a bit stiff, and he'll have problems covering elite WR's one on one. If Houston is like Newman, Revis is like Quintin Jammer.
 

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Bob Sacamano;1412280 said:
I think Meachem will go much earlier than where mock drafts project him, 214, running a 4.39, he's physical, explosive and a heck of a route-runner and pass-catcher, I would be giddy as hell if we're able to draft him

I agree with you. Meachem, to me, is a very interesting player. Some think he might be more polished then even Johnson. Maybe more mature too and thus, better able to adjust to the NFL sooner. Not saying he's better but only that some think he might be better sooner. He is really an interesting player to me. Real solid backround, from what I understand. Hard worker and intelligent. He's not as big as Johnson but he's not small. 6-2 215 or so with 4.3 type speed? Soft hands, good route runner. I'd be real tempted to look at this guy if he were there. The only thing that really scares me is the history of WRs from Tenn. recently. Other then that, I love this guy.
 

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The only concern with Houston is he had Zero Int's in his career, maybe Aaron Ross would be a good selection, As far as Draft site's, that's all I have to go on, I don't claim to be a scout, I have mostly likely watched as much film on Houston as you have Revis, Zero. I have no doubt that the Zoners living in the SW have seen him a lot, Just like living in the NE. I have seen Pitt play quite a bit, Personally, I don't see the Cowboy's taking either one, I'm thinking we go WR. We will see draft day.
 

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InmanRoshi;1413035 said:
I'm just saying Houston did not just rise because he ran a good 40 time. He rose because he went up against the best WR's in the country and more than held his own, then went to the Combine and showed he's an elite athlete. And I think the actuall time spent breaking down film of some of your internet draft services are questionable, at best.

If I'm a defense that asks my CB's to play on an island in man to man, I would rather have Houston. I don't think Revis is a great pure cover guy, and he's got a lot of Quintin Jammer/Marlin Jackson in him.

To me, the difference in these two is really play making ability. I think both are good cover corners but I don't think they are shut down corners at this point in there development. I think Houston probably has a bit better technique. He's also a little bit faster while Revis is bigger. The big difference between these two, IMO, is that Revis makes plays on the ball and when he does, he makes interceptions. Houston does not. He covers well but he doesn't make the INTs like he should. Revis is a threat to not only pick it off but take it the house.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;1413038 said:
I agree with you. Meachem, to me, is a very interesting player. Some think he might be more polished then even Johnson. Maybe more mature too and thus, better able to adjust to the NFL sooner. Not saying he's better but only that some think he might be better sooner. He is really an interesting player to me. Real solid backround, from what I understand. Hard worker and intelligent. He's not as big as Johnson but he's not small. 6-2 215 or so with 4.3 type speed? Soft hands, good route runner. I'd be real tempted to look at this guy if he were there. The only thing that really scares me is the history of WRs from Tenn. recently. Other then that, I love this guy.


My only concern with Meachem is that the two best corners he saw this year in Houston and King shut him down pretty effectively.
 

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This could all be a Moot point as we are hearing up this way that the Steelers really like Revis, they have kinda soured on Ike Taylor. I agree with the Statement about Tennessee WR's, that's what scary about Meachem, But I would still take him if Ginn and Jarrett are gone.
 

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AmishCowboy;1413127 said:
This could all be a Moot point as we are hearing up this way that the Steelers really like Revis, they have kinda soured on Ike Taylor. I agree with the Statement about Tennessee WR's, that's what scary about Meachem, But I would still take him if Ginn and Jarrett are gone.

The Steelers have gone out of their way in the past to not draft players from Pitt. I guess the feeling is that they want players far removed from the college experience, not a five minute ride to Oakland.
 

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Agreed, however they just had Andy Lee, the 49'ers Punter sign a Offer sheet, the Niners matched. I guess it depends on the player.
 

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StanleySpadowski;1413077 said:
My only concern with Meachem is that the two best corners he saw this year in Houston and King shut him down pretty effectively.

Well, I don't know how much you can take from the Ark. game. I mean, if you look at that game, the Tenn. offense didn't really do much of anything. Not just Meachem but there running game really wasn't succesful and Crompton didn't really get much done either. Not that I blame him. Tough situation for him coming in to start for an injured Ainge. Crompton is a Redshirt Freshman starting his second game. McFadden ran all over Tenn. and the Hogs basically did what they wanted on defense. Young QB just was not ready.

I assume your talking about Justin King of Penn St. Interestingly enough, in that game, I was actually surprised that Tenn didn't work to Meachem a bit more. I do know that Penn St. doubled Meachem for most of that game with a safety (Scirotto or something like that) most of that game. I think Ainge only threw to him like 6 or 7 times and almost always short. I honestly think it's more of a situation where Ainge tried to take what Penn St. gave him. Ainge had a decent passing day overall but he went away from the double coverage and to other receivers most of the day. I don't think Meachem had a bad game, per say. I just think Penn State did a good job of taking him away from Ainge. If you project him to Dallas with the WRs we have, I don't see that happening.
 

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AmishCowboy;1413146 said:
Agreed, however they just had Andy Lee, the 49'ers Punter sign a Offer sheet, the Niners matched. I guess it depends on the player.


There's a difference between taking someone fresh out of school and going after someone who has already established a career outside the city.
 

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ABQCOWBOY, you don't see WR as a need on this Team?, I think this coming year might be the last for both T.O. and Glenn.
 

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AmishCowboy;1413162 said:
ABQCOWBOY, you don't see WR as a need on this Team?, I think this coming year might be the last for both T.O. and Glenn.


On the contrary. I see the aquisition of a young WR as a very big need on this team.

To me, WR, LB, NT, CB and OT are all needs.
 

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Anybody else want to trade up for Nelson? We'd have to move up 5 spots (according to this projection of course). That wouldn't be that expensive and we've got extra picks this year with relatively few needs. I think that trading up is usually a bad idea and we do have Watkins. Nonetheless, we've been trying for years to get that FS and we're not sure we've got him in Watkins and even if we do that would give us depth and maneuverability in the future.

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Houston reminds me of the late Darrent Williams, good cover guy with excellent speed but lacking height.

I have to disagree, CB is an area of need.
 

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Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh

STRENGTHS

Darrelle is a shut down, playmaking CB. He has excellent size, strength, speed and quickness to play this position. He shows good hands to intercept the ball and when he does, he always looks to take it back all the way. Darrelle has good man-to-man cover skills and is a ball hawk when playing in zone coverage. He has excellent recovery speed and is a very good tackler. He likes to be physical when he plays against bigger WR’s, but is still quick enough to handle the smaller and quicker WR’s. Darrelle has the potential to be an excellent CB for the team that drafts him and as an added bonus, he has excellent return skills and will be a big impact player on Special Teams.

NEEDS TO IMPROVE

At the next level, for the first time in his football life, Darrell’s athletic skills will be challenged. The big question I have of Darrelle is how well will he handle the pressure at the next level -– mentally? Can he bounce back after he gets burnt and is he mature enough to deal with the off field pressures? He does need to work on some techniques, but this is all very normal for a CB coming out early. To tell you the truth, I think he will handle the pressure very well and on film, looks like he is having a lot of fun out there – both on the field and with his teammates.

TALENT BOARD ROUND: 1

Darrelle’s athletic talent is not a question mark at all, but -- as with all talented juniors, you have to wonder how well he will handle being challenged for the very first time in his athletic career. Sometimes it is difficult for a player who can do everything at the college level to struggle initially at the next level because they have never struggled before at any other level. I think Darrell’s special team skills along with his ball hawking skills will make him a big hit right away for the team that drafts him. But the Pittsburgh team does not play the most challenging schedule and as we all know, things can come pretty fast for a CB at the next level. Darrelle will have to start working on his techniques, but that will not stop him from most likely being a top pick in this draft. If I needed a CB, I would pick him first off the board; however, I would go slow and let things come to him at an emotional speed that he can handle. Special teams and cover corner in nickel-dime packages for the first year, then cut him loose the second year and let him fly because this kid should be something special.

- Drew Boylhart (thehuddlereport.com)

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Chris Houston CB Arkansas

STRENGTHS

Chris is the type of player that plays bigger than his size because of his strength and confidence. He has good quickness and speed and is a very smooth CB who has no wasted movements or false steps when he is covering a WR man-to-man. He is an excellent shutdown cover corner that loves a challenge. Chris is a decent tackler, but the truth is, he would rather cover a receiver so that the ball is not even thrown his way at all. Chris shows good mental strength to go along with a smooth stride, excellent hip-flip and is smart when reading a WR to anticipate when the ball is ready to be knocked down. Chris should help a team as a cover corner the day after he is drafted.

NEEDS TO IMPROVE

Chris is an excellent cover corner, but he doesn’t seem to have very good hands to intercept the ball. He is not much of a playmaker and because he does not show very good hands, he will have difficulties helping out for the team that drafts him in the return game on special teams. Also, Chris is not quick to leave his man and come up and support the run game against sweeps to his side of the field.

TALENT BOARD ROUND: 2

In my mind, for a corner to be rated as a 1st round talent, he has to be a playmaker and a corner that tackles in all phases of the game. Right now, on the film I have of Chris, he is lacking in those two areas. He has excellent cover skills and has gone up against some big time talent, but for the next level, the WR’s are better at catching balls with CB’s hanging all over them and RB’s that will sweep around your side all day long if they smell a corner who is not energetic enough to come up and attack the sweep. Chris has some excellent 1st round talents and he could improve his attitude towards defending against a sweep without much trouble at all; however, I don’t see many CB’s that improve their abilities to intercept the ball because they lack the true hand-eye coordination to catch a ball. Antoine Winfield (CB Vikings) is a hell of a CB, but he is not an impact CB because he just does not get enough interceptions. Now, he has made a lot of money, but the fact is that he would make even more if he could just intercept a few passes a year. The fact is, no QB is afraid in an important part of a game to throw his way because they know the pass will not be intercepted. So no harm, no foul -- so to speak. Chris will be an excellent cover corner for the team that drafts him, but unless he shows in his workouts that he can catch the ball for an interception, then he just won’t be an impact cover corner.

- Drew Boylhart (thehuddlereport.com)
 

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I hope some people take the time to read your post, that's what I was saying that Revis is a playmaker and Houston isn't.
 

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AmishCowboy;1414329 said:
I hope some people take the time to read your post, that's what I was saying that Revis is a playmaker and Houston isn't.

you also said you didn't want to take a workout warrior
 

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Very true, However like I said this Afternoon I think the Cowboys are going to take a WR in the 1st round.
 
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