Draft rumors (Cowboys)

[Gaede]

Value is an efficiency stat. More value means more talent per dollar or relative draft position.

Which means squat when the game is being played

 

[Common Sense]

No.. Most people that don't want Zeke don't want him because the value is awful.

I like Elliot in a trade down just fine, even in the top 10.

 

[Sydla]

Which means squat when the game is being played

Ummm no.

It means quite a bit. If you have the maximum talent you can have per dollar spent, that means a lot on the field.

 

[CATCH17]

Yes, because at the end of the day, value is what wins NFL games

Not talent, or strength, or TDs. What really matters is if we got the right bang for our buck

'Remember when we won 3 super bowls in the 90s?' 'Yeah, so what, do you remember how good of a deal it was when we traded a sixth round pick for Terry Glenn?'

Well.. When you look around the league value is where it's at when it comes to RB's so yeah. Value wins.

You can't compare the 90s to now. Don't be Jason Garrett.

 

[Gaede]

Well.. When you look around the league value is where it's at when it comes to RB's so yeah. Value wins.

You can't compare the 90s to now. Don't be Jason Garrett.

Why not? Defenses are setup to stop the pass these days. They're not setup to grind out 60 minutes of physical football. Return to that style of play and you buck the trend of high-powererd passing offenses and take advantage of smaller, weaker defenses

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Breaking: Cowboys leaning toward Ezekiel Elliott?

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...ng-cowboys-leaning-toward-ezekiel-elliott?f=r

 

[CATCH17]

Why not? Defenses are setup to stop the pass these days. They're not setup to grind out 60 minutes of physical football. Return to that style of play and you buck the trend of high-powererd passing offenses and take advantage of smaller, weaker defenses

I have nothing against the philosophy. I'm saying you can get a guy later on that will produce similar if not better results.

It's hard to see on draft day when Melvin Gordon is the shiny toy but you look back after December and guys like Karlos Williams, David Johnson, Thomas Rawls, ect might be just as productive if not better.

 

[Hawkeye19]

Why not? Defenses are setup to stop the pass these days. They're not setup to grind out 60 minutes of physical football. Return to that style of play and you buck the trend of high-powererd passing offenses and take advantage of smaller, weaker defenses

Good post.

And why I am fine with Zeke at #4. The strength of this team is an OL that mauls people. Play to your strengths and dominate teams on the ground, control TOP, and keep your D rested, healthy, and off the field.

 

[JohnsKey19]

Breaking: Cowboys leaning toward Ezekiel Elliott?

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...ng-cowboys-leaning-toward-ezekiel-elliott?f=r

Basically....Ramsey is off the board and the scouts have no reason to argue against Elliott

 

[Gaede]

I have nothing against the philosophy. I'm saying you can get a guy later on that will produce similar if not better results.

It's hard to see on draft day when Melvin Gordon is the shiny toy but you look back after December and guys like Karlos Williams, David Johnson, Thomas Rawls, ect might be just as productive if not better.

But can you? We tried that with Randle and he flaked out. Guys go in later rounds because they're not as good at a)pass catching b) pass blocking c) have durability concerns d) character concerns. You might get a little success here and there. But the reason they're rated so much lower will probably pop up during their NFL career and ruin all your delicious value. The reason Zeke is so highly sought after is he doesn't have any of those concerns.

 

[Chuck 54]

If Elliott was a free agent who didn't even require a draft pick, would we sign him to a huge contract with multi millions guaranteed? If your answer is no, then why do you think Dallas will spend that money + the #4 draft pick?

 

[CowboyStar88]

Yes, because at the end of the day, value is what wins NFL games

Not talent, or strength, or TDs. What really matters is if we got the right bang for our buck

'Remember when we won 3 super bowls in the 90s?' 'Yeah, so what, do you remember how good of a deal it was when we traded a sixth round pick for Terry Glenn?'

I don't know when this turned into money ball

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Elliot $20M
McFadden $2M

I have a hard time seeing that much value difference in Elliot.

Your comparing a RB that career is finished on 1 year contract to a rookie on a 4-5 year deal. If Elliot helps win games and keeps Romo healthy is that worth 3 million more a year?

McFadden 2 million a year
Zeke. 5 million a year

 

[Hawkeye19]

I have nothing against the philosophy. I'm saying you can get a guy later on that will produce similar if not better results.

It's hard to see on draft day when Melvin Gordon is the shiny toy but you look back after December and guys like Karlos Williams, David Johnson, Thomas Rawls, ect might be just as productive if not better.

Good post.

But you can also find a great CB or DE in round 2-4 as well.

 

[CATCH17]

But can you? We tried that with Randle and he flaked out. Guys go in later rounds because they're not as good at a)pass catching b) pass blocking c) have durability concerns d) character concerns. You might get a little success here and there. But the reason they're rated so much lower will probably pop up during their NFL career and ruin all your delicious value. The reason Zeke is so highly sought after is he doesn't have any of those concerns.

No..

McCoy, Decrapo Murray, Jamaal Charles, Matt Forte, Foster, Bell, Jeremy Hill, the list goes on and on and on. You're not sacrificing anything and a lot of the time you can get a absolute baller.

 

[CATCH17]

Good post.

But you can also find a great CB or DE in round 2-4 as well.

You can find a great player anywhere but it's much harder to find Corners, DE's, OT's, and QB's than it is to find a productive Runningback.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Which means squat when the game is being played

If you maximize value then you maximize the talent that you are adding.

The marginalization of the RB position is not a new phenomenon by a couple of decades. I like the Mike Ditka/Jimmy Johnson reasoning but this isn't the 90's. It didn't work out then either.

 

[Gaede]

If you maximize value then you maximize the talent that you are adding.

The marginalization of the RB position is not a new phenomenon by a couple of decades. I like the Mike Ditka/Jimmy Johnson reasoning but this isn't the 90's. It didn't work out then either.

I'd rather have 1) elite player than 2) good players

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'd rather have 1) elite player than 2) good players

Zeke is not as good as Gurley and Gurley led his team to their same 7-9 record. RB are not the difference makers you guys claim. You've eaten the cheese.

I would prefer we trade down for either Zeke or Lynch. I'd rather have the QB.

 

[CWR]

If Elliott was a free agent who didn't even require a draft pick, would we sign him to a huge contract with multi millions guaranteed? If your answer is no, then why do you think Dallas will spend that money + the #4 draft pick?

Well would that free agent be 21 years old and have a nice new set of wheels on him? I think that's the difference we were told in Jerry speak.