Draft rumors (Cowboys)

[Plankton]

Who will be drafted into the NFL.

Have you watched LSU these past few years? They are not very good Offensively. If you want to say Defensively, I would agree but not on the O. That's just not true. LSU was 7th in the SEC in total Offense. They were 12th in Passing Offense and 1st in Rushing Offense. LSU has lost 8 games in the last two seasons. They lost a total of 9 games in the previous four seasons.

Cardale Jones is a spare. Yes, he's better than Brandon Harris, but he's still a spare.

LSU has consistently brought in top recruiting classes. They have plenty of players on their offense that will play in the NFL - Dural, Dupre and Ethan Pocic will be future NFL players, Vadal Alexander and Jerald Hawkins will be drafted this year. They are a very talented team.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Cardale Jones is a spare. Yes, he's better than Brandon Harris, but he's still a spare.

LSU has consistently brought in top recruiting classes. They have plenty of players on their offense that will play in the NFL - Dural, Dupre and Ethan Pocic will be future NFL players, Vadal Alexander and Jerald Hawkins will be drafted this year. They are a very talented team.

Cardale Jones might be the most gifted QB, Athletically, in the Draft and probably the most gifted since Cam Newton. In College, that plays and you win with that kind of talent. In the Pro's not so much but to say that they won with a 3rd string QB who is more talented athletically then the starter is not really much of a justification to me. That Ohio State team was loaded and the fact that Jones is the third string QB is just more proof of that. You know as well as I do that if you have a QB who can break the pocket and put the kind of pressure Jones can on the defense, to go along with a rushing game like OSU had, that's very hard to stop. The only reason Jones was not the starter is because he wouldn't put in the time to become the leader but he was certainly the best QB on that team. You know that.

As for LSU and their roster, the facts don't lie. They were not good Offensively. If not for Foursett and the running game, they would have been terrible. 2nd worst completion % of all the starting QBs in the SEC. 2165 passing yards on the season. No receiver in the top 10 in the SEC. Their best WR, Soph. Dupre who had 43 catches (57 his entire career). Next best WR, Dural with 28 catches, ranked 23rd in the SEC. The next best receiver was Fournette with 19 catches.

You can say that they have talent and that might be true. Texas, right now, has talent and there will be players drafted into the NFL but would you call them good? LSU was not good. They had one thing they could do pretty well and that was let Fournette run the ball. They were basically horrible in the passing game.

 

[Echo9]

Right, which is why you don't need a top 4 RB You just need a good RB. Why spend millions on an OL if you have to turn around and pay top dollar to a RB as well? That's a waste of money IMO.

I'm with ya on that. I'd be disappointed if we took Zeke at four. In all honesty, the talent seems pretty flat through the first 8. I would love it if we were able to move back and pick up an extra high pick. If we end up with him, I'll pull for him to be the next Todd Gurley, Adrian Peterson, or Marshawn Lynch rather than the next CJ Spiller, Trent Richardson, Ryan Mathews, Ronnie Brown, Darren McFadden, Cedric Benson, or Reggie Bush.

Goff
Wentz
Ramsey
Buckner
Bosa
Elliot
Lawson
Tunsil
Jack
Hargreaves

One of those guys will be available even if we go as far back as 10. Depending on the bounty we could get for moving back, it might be worthwhile.

 

[Gryphon]

NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah is "hearing" the Cowboys prefer Florida State CB/S Jalen Ramsey with the No. 4 overall pick.

Asked on Twitter to mock either Ohio State DE Joey Bosa or Ohio State RB Ezekiel Elliott for the Cowboys, Jeremiah responded, "Hearing Ramsey." Jeremiah doesn't typically break any major news, but he does have inside connections after working in the league as a scout. The Cowboys have long been connected to Ramsey, and coach Jason Garrett raved about him two days ago.

 

[Rogerthat12]

NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah is "hearing" the Cowboys prefer Florida State CB/S Jalen Ramsey with the No. 4 overall pick.

Asked on Twitter to mock either Ohio State DE Joey Bosa or Ohio State RB Ezekiel Elliott for the Cowboys, Jeremiah responded, "Hearing Ramsey." Jeremiah doesn't typically break any major news, but he does have inside connections after working in the league as a scout. The Cowboys have long been connected to Ramsey, and coach Jason Garrett raved about him two days ago.

Chargers are high on Ramsey and want an impact player according to their GM.

They do not love Tunsil or the DE's and pick early in each round like us to cover those needs.

 

[Philmonroe]

Chargers are high on Ramsey and want an impact player according to their GM.

They do not love Tunsil or the DE's and pick early in each round like us to cover those needs.

Hineslty hope they take Ramsey off our hands. I could be wrong about Zeke but I'd like to see a top RB with this line and see if there will be any difference (like 2014) instead of the jabronis currently at RB

 

[Jarv]

Yeah, but this is not one of those Special RBs IMO. Is he good? Yes, he is good. Is he the best prospect in this Draft at RB? Yes, he probably is. Is he AD or LT or Emmitt? No, I don't think he is. He's very good, he's not worthy of 4 IMO.

What a Bummer to pick at 4 this year...Bosa not very good. ..although top of the class at DE...Ramsey rated the best DB...can't buy a turnover compared to other classes top DBs. Jack...top LB prospect has a questionable injury. ..Now Elliott is just an okay back.

Sounds like we should just trade our pick for a first next year...have 2 1st next year.

 

[iceberg]

Hineslty hope they take Ramsey off our hands. I could be wrong about Zeke but I'd like to see a top RB with this line and see if there will be any difference (like 2014) instead of the jabronis currently at RB

right there with ya. if we take him fine - i'll move on and hope for the best. just not what i would do but i don't do this for a living.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'm with ya on that. I'd be disappointed if we took Zeke at four. In all honesty, the talent seems pretty flat through the first 8. I would love it if we were able to move back and pick up an extra high pick. If we end up with him, I'll pull for him to be the next Todd Gurley, Adrian Peterson, or Marshawn Lynch rather than the next CJ Spiller, Trent Richardson, Ryan Mathews, Ronnie Brown, Darren McFadden, Cedric Benson, or Reggie Bush.

Goff
Wentz
Ramsey
Buckner
Bosa
Elliot
Lawson
Tunsil
Jack
Hargreaves

One of those guys will be available even if we go as far back as 10. Depending on the bounty we could get for moving back, it might be worthwhile.

Can't say I disagree Erik. BTW, how have you been? How's the Fam?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

What a Bummer to pick at 4 this year...Bosa not very good. ..although top of the class at DE...Ramsey rated the best DB...can't buy a turnover compared to other classes top DBs. Jack...top LB prospect has a questionable injury. ..Now Elliott is just an okay back.

Sounds like we should just trade our pick for a first next year...have 2 1st next year.

I would not say OK. I would say very good. I don't see him as a lock to be a 10 Thousand Yard guy but he could be a guy who is very good for a period of 4 to 5 years. There is something to be said for that as well but I just don't agree with the value there. Howevever, I am pretty much in agreement with you. This could be a good draft to trade down. A lot of players I like between the 2nd and 5th round in this draft. There are going to be a lot of really talented DT prospects that may fall into the 6th or 7th rounds, maybe go undrafted, that would normally be picked much higher. JMO.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

ESPN's Ed Werder reported on SportsCenter that the Cowboys believe Ohio State RB Ezekiel Elliott could help their defense and potentially "change their win total dramatically."

 

[Echo9]

Can't say I disagree Erik. BTW, how have you been? How's the Fam?

Doin alright overall. More than ready to FINALLY get this draft underway. This has got to be the most excruciating wait in decades. Combine how long it's been since we've been out of contention, the expectation that we should get a dynamic playmaker and the realization that the top of this year's draft looks very flat, this lead up has been ridiculous. I'll be in the chat tonight though. How goes it by you?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

ESPN's Ed Werder reported on SportsCenter that the Cowboys believe Ohio State RB Ezekiel Elliott could help their defense and potentially "change their win total dramatically."

If they are really backdooring to conclusions like that I am not surprised but disillusioned to say the least.

 

[Alohawg1]

Elliot $20M
McFadden $2M

I have a hard time seeing that much value difference in Elliot.

 

[CATCH17]

Elliot $20M
McFadden $2M

I have a hard time seeing that much value difference in Elliot.

Elliot is horrible value.


If he was available in free agency we'd probably pass.

 

[Alohawg1]

Elliot is horrible value.


If he was available in free agency we'd probably pass.

It just makes zero sense when you consider letting Murray go and then bringing in Morris to pair with McFadden. I would much rather concentrate on defense this draft and make a big move next year for a stud RB like Chubb or Fournette.

 

[JeffInDC]

It just makes zero sense when you consider letting Murray go and then bringing in Morris to pair with McFadden. I would much rather concentrate on defense this draft and make a big move next year for a stud RB like Chubb or Fournette.

So, you're saying that Zeke isn't a stud compared to these 2.......based on what? Chubb may be lucky to even fully regain his form after suffering the SAME INJURY as Jaylon Smith. And Fournette looked quite human against the same vaunted 'Bama run D that Zeke destroyed.

 

[CATCH17]

So, you're saying that Zeke isn't a stud compared to these 2.......based on what? Chubb may be lucky to even fully regain his form after suffering the SAME INJURY as Jaylon Smith. And Fournette looked quite human against the same vaunted 'Bama run D that Zeke destroyed.

No.. Most people that don't want Zeke don't want him because the value is awful.

 

[Gaede]

Elliot is horrible value.


If he was available in free agency we'd probably pass.

Yes, because at the end of the day, value is what wins NFL games

Not talent, or strength, or TDs. What really matters is if we got the right bang for our buck

'Remember when we won 3 super bowls in the 90s?' 'Yeah, so what, do you remember how good of a deal it was when we traded a sixth round pick for Terry Glenn?'

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yes, because at the end of the day, value is what wins NFL games

Not talent, or strength, or TDs. What really matters is if we got the right bang for our buck

'Remember when we won 3 super bowls in the 90s?' 'Yeah, so what, do you remember how good of a deal it was when we traded a sixth round pick for Terry Glenn?'

Value is an efficiency stat. More value means more talent per dollar or relative draft position.