Draft rumors (Cowboys)

[waving monkey]

Again, it should be pretty easy to find, right? I mean you keep acting like it's common knowledge so where are the tweets and stories confirming it?

What bothers me isn't Marinelli thinking Elliott would be a good choice, it's the fact that you Elliott people have been trotting out exaggerations such as he's never, ever fumbled at OSU and that he's be a great bargain on a rookie contract.............. saying Marinelli, the defensive coordinator, would love Elliott at 4 might be another one of those exaggerations.

I read the same stuff Sydia and if your not reading basic articles well thats on you [sorry I had to say it]

 

[ConceptCoop]

Elliott wouldn't be just another name in any draft - that's just silly. He has been an outstanding producer for his two seasons as a starter, and has established himself as a true difference maker.

Truthfully, I would take Elliott over anyone eligible next year - Fournette, McCaffrey, Chubb, Cook - any of them. Chubb will be coming off of a serious knee injury, and it remains to be seen what he looks like after that. McCaffrey is very good, and nearly as well rounded, but, IMHO, his body type will preclude him from being as tough of an inside runner as Elliott. Cook is outstanding - he actually is my favorite for next year, but I don't think he's as well rounded as Elliott, in particular in blocking. Fournette is a horse, but look at his games against Alabama - he has barely cracked 100 yards total in two games against them. Elliott went for over 200 against them in one game, and flat out dominated Alabama when the stakes were the highest.

It's literally to the point now where people who don't see the value in taking a RB in the top five will take to making statements that are not really backed up by any facts. This is all opinion based, yet some will literally cling to their argument as if it's an indisputable fact.

I don't think it's fair to use the Bama games as you are. Elliott plays in a read option, spread offense. That's very different than lining up and running right at that defense. In addition, OSU was better able to utilize the weapons around Elliott than LSU was around Fournette. Elliott played on the best team in the nation. Fournette's completed 6 passes against Bama.

I have no issue with anyone preferring Elliott to Fournette, but your reasoning seems kind of petty.

Put Elliott in those very LSU/Bama games and replicate the touches Fournette got. Do you really think Elliot gets 4x the yardage? Really?

 

[Plankton]

I don't think it's fair to use the Bama games as you are. Elliott plays in a read option, spread offense. That's very different than lining up and running right at that defense. In addition, OSU was better able to utilize the weapons around Elliott than LSU was around Fournette. Elliott played on the best team in the nation. Fournette's completed 6 passes against Bama.

I have no issue with anyone preferring Elliott to Fournette, but your reasoning seems kind of petty.

Put Elliott in those very LSU/Bama games and replicate the touches Fournette got. Do you really think Elliot gets 4x the yardage? Really?

How is my reasoning petty? It's looking at their actual performance and production against a similar opponent. Alabama was favored in the game, and OSU was playing with their third string QB.

Elliott was the best player on the field in the national semifinal game against Alabama. He put up numbers against a very good Alabama defense that I hadn't seen done prior to that. Fournette was completely shut down in both games - neither guy played with a top QB, and you could argue that Travin Dural and Malachi Dupre are every bit the equal of Michael Thomas and Jalin Marshall. If you want to point to the offensive style as being the determining factor, that's an interesting take that I don't agree with at all.

Put Elliott in the same LSU games, and I do think that he could out perform those numbers. I was pretty clear in saying that he was a better player. Now, would he gain 4x the yardage? Hard to say without it taking place.

I said that Fournette is a horse, and he absolutely is. He's big, fast, strong, and deceptively quick for his size. He's a great runner. Elliott is a better pass receiver, better blocker and better all around player.

 

[ConceptCoop]

How is my reasoning petty? It's looking at their actual performance and production against a similar opponent. Alabama was favored in the game, and OSU was playing with their third string QB.

Elliott was the best player on the field in the national semifinal game against Alabama. He put up numbers against a very good Alabama defense that I hadn't seen done prior to that. Fournette was completely shut down in both games - neither guy played with a top QB, and you could argue that Travin Dural and Malachi Dupre are every bit the equal of Michael Thomas and Jalin Marshall. If you want to point to the offensive style as being the determining factor, that's an interesting take that I don't agree with at all.

Put Elliott in the same LSU games, and I do think that he could out perform those numbers. I was pretty clear in saying that he was a better player. Now, would he gain 4x the yardage? Hard to say without it taking place.

I said that Fournette is a horse, and he absolutely is. He's big, fast, strong, and deceptively quick for his size. He's a great runner. Elliott is a better pass receiver, better blocker and better all around player.

Did you watch the last LSU/Bama game? You really think Elliott breaks those tackles? OSU was able to control the LOS and LSU wasn't. That has nothing to do with the RBs. And again, running outside in a read option scheme is different than lining up and running at that NFL level front 7.

I didn't question LSU's WRs. But the team completed 6 passes. Six. The QB play was garbage, while Cardele was generating 1st round draft talk. Kiper specifically said 2nd as of then, with 1st round upside.

I respect that you think Elliott is the better prospect. They're both elite RB prospects. But holding the Bama game against Fournette feels, again, petty.

 

[Plankton]

Did you watch the last LSU/Bama game? You really think Elliott breaks those tackles? OSU was able to control the LOS and LSU wasn't. That has nothing to do with the RBs. And again, running outside in a read option scheme is different than lining up and running at that NFL level front 7.

Again, I respect that you think Elliott is the better prospect. They're both elite RB prospects. But holding the Bama game against Fournette feels, again, petty.

Again, nothing petty about it at all. And, to say that Elliott only ran outside zone on his carries against Alabama means that you didn't watch that game closely, but are making a general assumption. Fournette was hit quite a bit at the line, but he didn't exactly push the pile, either. I watched that game closely, and was surprised that LSU was even within shouting distance into the third quarter. Their offense was non-existent.

Elliott accomplished what he accomplished with a third string QB playing. Fournette at least had his starting QB playing (and Brandon Harris stinks out loud). If I am going to consider Fournette elite when he goes for 200 against the likes of Auburn and Syracuse, then I can certainly critique his performance when he doesn't crack 40 yards against Alabama. I can also critique Elliott for not cracking 40 against Michigan State as well.

 

[ConceptCoop]

Again, nothing petty about it at all. And, to say that Elliott only ran outside zone on his carries against Alabama means that you didn't watch that game closely, but are making a general assumption. Fournette was hit quite a bit at the line, but he didn't exactly push the pile, either. I watched that game closely, and was surprised that LSU was even within shouting distance into the third quarter. Their offense was non-existent.

Elliott accomplished what he accomplished with a third string QB playing. Fournette at least had his starting QB playing (and Brandon Harris stinks out loud). If I am going to consider Fournette elite when he goes for 200 against the likes of Auburn and Syracuse, then I can certainly critique his performance when he doesn't crack 40 yards against Alabama. I can also critique Elliott for not cracking 40 against Michigan State as well.

You don't intend to be petty and don't feel that you are. It feels petty to me; I find the logic to be unsound at the very least. We're likely going to have to agree not to here.

 

[ConceptCoop]

Again, nothing petty about it at all. And, to say that Elliott only ran outside zone on his carries against Alabama means that you didn't watch that game closely, but are making a general assumption. Fournette was hit quite a bit at the line, but he didn't exactly push the pile, either. I watched that game closely, and was surprised that LSU was even within shouting distance into the third quarter. Their offense was non-existent.

Elliott accomplished what he accomplished with a third string QB playing. Fournette at least had his starting QB playing (and Brandon Harris stinks out loud). If I am going to consider Fournette elite when he goes for 200 against the likes of Auburn and Syracuse, then I can certainly critique his performance when he doesn't crack 40 yards against Alabama. I can also critique Elliott for not cracking 40 against Michigan State as well.

By the way, Melvin Gordon outproduced Zeke against the large majority of their shared opponents over the last 2 years of their college careers. I'm sure there's a reason that doesn't matter, but if your logic is consistent, let's just trade #34 for Gordon.

 

[Plankton]

By the way, Melvin Gordon outproduced Zeke against the large majority of their shared opponents over the last 2 years of their college careers. I'm sure there's a reason that doesn't matter, but if your logic is consistent, let's just trade #34 for Gordon.

Gordon's fumble rate is significantly higher, he isn't the pass protector that Elliott is, and was a complete non-factor in the passing game.

But, yes, continue to tell me what my opinion should be.

 

[Stash]

i like to agree to disagree.

that way i'm sure to cover all my bases.

I've noticed that about you. Even during disagreements, you still seem agreeable.

 

[Stash]

Elliott wouldn't be just another name in any draft - that's just silly. He has been an outstanding producer for his two seasons as a starter, and has established himself as a true difference maker.

Truthfully, I would take Elliott over anyone eligible next year - Fournette, McCaffrey, Chubb, Cook - any of them. Chubb will be coming off of a serious knee injury, and it remains to be seen what he looks like after that. McCaffrey is very good, and nearly as well rounded, but, IMHO, his body type will preclude him from being as tough of an inside runner as Elliott. Cook is outstanding - he actually is my favorite for next year, but I don't think he's as well rounded as Elliott, in particular in blocking. Fournette is a horse, but look at his games against Alabama - he has barely cracked 100 yards total in two games against them. Elliott went for over 200 against them in one game, and flat out dominated Alabama when the stakes were the highest.

It's literally to the point now where people who don't see the value in taking a RB in the top five will take to making statements that are not really backed up by any facts. This is all opinion based, yet some will literally cling to their argument as if it's an indisputable fact.

So... opinions vary? I can live with that.

 

[Plankton]

So... opinions vary? I can live with that.

Absolutely.

 

[Sydla]

Gordon's fumble rate is significantly higher, he isn't the pass protector that Elliott is, and was a complete non-factor in the passing game.

But, yes, continue to tell me what my opinion should be.

He caught 33 passes last year in San Diego. To say he's a non factor in the passing game is a stretch.

His last year at Wiscy, he caught 19 balls compared to Elliott catching 27 balls his last year. Not exactly a huge difference.

 

[Plankton]

He caught 33 passes last year in San Diego. To say he's a non factor in the passing game is a stretch.

His last year at Wiscy, he caught 19 balls compared to Elliott catching 27 balls his last year. Not exactly a huge difference.

Not talking about Gordon as a Charger - it's a comparison of the players while they were in college, and entering the pros.

Elliott caught more passes his last year than Gordon did in his entire Wisconsin career. Elliott caught 55 passes in two seasons. Gordon caught 22 in three seasons. Gordon also isn't nearly the blocker than Elliott is.

 

[iceberg]

I've noticed that about you. Even during disagreements, you still seem agreeable.

i disagree with that statement, but i can agree people may think that.....

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Fournette is a horse, but look at his games against Alabama - he has barely cracked 100 yards total in two games against them. Elliott went for over 200 against them in one game, and flat out dominated Alabama when the stakes were the highest.

I don't really agree with this. I mean, on the surface, it seems pretty clear but consider that OSU is stacked and that you can't just focus on stopping Zeke. You have to play OSU all over the field so it's a lot easier to run. If you are playing LSU, you don't really have to worry about anything else but stopping the run. That's a huge advantage.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I don't really agree with this. I mean, on the surface, it seems pretty clear but consider that OSU is stacked and that you can't just focus on stopping Zeke. You have to play OSU all over the field so it's a lot easier to run. If you are playing LSU, you don't really have to worry about anything else but stopping the run. That's a huge advantage.

It is. But I would argue, with a healthy Romo, Dez and the OL.....he should have that same advantage in Dallas.

 

[DTown214]

If feel like these are the chances of who we end up taking...
Jalen Ramsey - 60%
Ezekiel Elliott - 30%
Joey Bosa - 10%

But I'm still on #TeamZeke

 

[Plankton]

I don't really agree with this. I mean, on the surface, it seems pretty clear but consider that OSU is stacked and that you can't just focus on stopping Zeke. You have to play OSU all over the field so it's a lot easier to run. If you are playing LSU, you don't really have to worry about anything else but stopping the run. That's a huge advantage.

Going into the game against Alabama, Ohio State was starting their third string QB, who at that point had one career start - the previous game against Wisconsin. I think it's pretty safe to assume that Alabama went into the national semifinal focused on stopping Elliott and put the game in an inexperienced QBs hands. It didn't exactly work out.

And, BTW, LSU is one of the most talented teams in the country, not exactly the little sisters of the poor. Yes, their QB sucks, but Travin Dural and Malachi Dupre are going to be NFL WRs.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It is. But I would argue, with a healthy Romo, Dez and the OL.....he should have that same advantage in Dallas.

No. As good as the talent we have at QB, WR and OL, it does not translate to what Ohio State has at the colligiate level. Ohio State is loaded and they are deep and it's both sides of the ball. They could have 7 or 8 guys taken in the top 50 this year and that does not include two players who were Buckeyes but are no longer, who will both be high picks.

Now, if you are talking about Fournette, the Cowboys might offer more to him. LSU was not very good Offensively so it's possible that our OL, with Dez and assuming Tony is healthy (and that's not a very good assumption to be honest) could be better.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Going into the game against Alabama, Ohio State was starting their third string QB, who at that point had one career start - the previous game against Wisconsin. I think it's pretty safe to assume that Alabama went into the national semifinal focused on stopping Elliott and put the game in an inexperienced QBs hands. It didn't exactly work out.

And, BTW, LSU is one of the most talented teams in the country, not exactly the little sisters of the poor. Yes, their QB sucks, but Travin Dural and Malachi Dupre are going to be NFL WRs.

Ohio State was starting their third string QB

Who will be drafted into the NFL.

Have you watched LSU these past few years? They are not very good Offensively. If you want to say Defensively, I would agree but not on the O. That's just not true. LSU was 7th in the SEC in total Offense. They were 12th in Passing Offense and 1st in Rushing Offense. LSU has lost 8 games in the last two seasons. They lost a total of 9 games in the previous four seasons.