Draft rumors (Cowboys)

[DogFace]

So no one knows who we will select?

Ok. Copy that.

 

[Jarv]

Difference being that both guys you mention were 4th round draft picks, not #4 overall.

But other than that? Sure....

One could argue that we don't win those three super bowls without #22. Elway didn't win any without TD...See a pattern?

Call me old fashioned, crazy, but a couple of years ago people here were saying the old adage "Defense wins championships" is old fashioned, offense is the new king in this new NFL. Then Denver comes along this year and proves that wrong.

The face palm icon is funny. Are you trying to imply that disagreeing with my take makes your head hurt? If so, sorry about your headache.

The thing is, while admittedly many backs can thrive behind this offensive line like we saw McFadden do, this Zeke kid is special. Maybe that's what your arguing this his abilities over the next 5-10 draft prospects at RB there is little difference. That is the whole point we are probably arguing. Give us this kid and the whole rest of the draft can go defense. Maybe pickup Joseph in the 2nd round at safety and the 3rd best DL out there....well you get the picture I hope.

Now I will give you a legitimate reason for a face palm, I would try Morris at FB ala Moose or even better yet Mike Alstott. A fullback that is also a running threat. We have this great Oline and I want to pound teams into submission. When an OLinemen misses a block, Zeke can make yardage in his own. This will be opposing defensive coordinators nightmares. See what it does for play action also.

If you disagree, no worries. I don't know how to make a face palm icon.

 

[Manster68]

You take Ramsey, then DL in 2nd..... Then you can shift to offense in 3rd & 4th.....plenty of good RB found there.....

They are not Ezekiel Elliott though.
I love Ramsey too - but running back further down in the draft have flaws and/or limitations (including Henry).

 

[Stash]

One could argue that we don't win those three super bowls without #22. Elway didn't win any without TD...See a pattern?

Call me old fashioned, crazy, but a couple of years ago people here were saying the old adage "Defense wins championships" is old fashioned, offense is the new king in this new NFL. Then Denver comes along this year and proves that wrong.

The face palm icon is funny. Are you trying to imply that disagreeing with my take makes your head hurt? If so, sorry about your headache.

It's in direct reference to you apparently not being aware of your apples to oranges comparison. And your attempt to compare 4th round running backs to taking someone at #4 in the entire draft.

The thing is, while admittedly many backs can thrive behind this offensive line like we saw McFadden do, this Zeke kid is special. Maybe that's what your arguing this his abilities over the next 5-10 draft prospects at RB there is little difference. That is the whole point we are probably arguing. Give us this kid and the whole rest of the draft can go defense. Maybe pickup Joseph in the 2nd round at safety and the 3rd best DL out there....well you get the picture I hope.

Yeah, he's so "special" that he would simply be another name in next year's draft, set to be loaded with top running back options. Options which could be had much later than the #4 pick overall. There's a reason why all the junior eligible backs jumped at the chance to enter the 2016 draft - less competition to get drafted.

Now I will give you a legitimate reason for a face palm, I would try Morris at FB ala Moose or even better yet Mike Alstott. A fullback that is also a running threat. We have this great Oline and I want to pound teams into submission. When an OLinemen misses a block, Zeke can make yardage in his own. This will be opposing defensive coordinators nightmares. See what it does for play action also.

You're right, this deserves another one, and it shows the knowledge and mindset of the 'gotta have Zeke!' crowd quite well.

If you disagree, no worries. I don't know how to make a face palm icon.

While I strongly disagree with your logic and rationale, I can definitely appreciate your attitude about the whole thing. Kudos!

 

[jnday]

You know that Marinelli prefers him? Are you his neighbor or something?

It has been reported by many media outlets that Marinelli prefers him. Two or three threads on here has the info.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Best wasn't a list conclusions took him out ...and Lineman also never had this Oline either so can't compare the Lions to Cowboys

Read the post. It's not about comparing the Lions to the Cowboys. Linehan has been an OC or a HC since 2003 in the NFL. These are the picks at RB, for four different teams, that haven't worked out. I have no idea what you are talking about when you say, "Best wasn't a list conclusions took him out". Also, what do you know about those OLs?

Linehan's ability to pick talent at RB does not impress me. If you are taking backs in the 1st or 2nd round, they should be good players for you. None of those guys were. If you wanna blame it on the OL, then why in the world would you spend a high pick on a position that you knew was going to fail? My opinion has not changed. I'm not impressed with Linehan's opinion on RB talent.

 

[Sydla]

I've come around on the idea of taking Elliott. I don't like it but it seems like that's what they want to do if Ramsey is gone. Personally, I am hoping for a trade down but that seems unlikely.

Elliott will likely be a fine player for us behind this OL. So it's not like we would have just drafted a bum.

But it highlights the short term visions this front office has where their "plans" seem to be 1 or 2 year windows then they just flip the script and do something else. 2-3 years ago it was continue to build the OL to not have to invest a lot of resources in the TB position and then they can use those resources to improve other areas.

Today it seems like the plan is take the TB with the best pick we've had in 20+ years in the draft and forget what we said 2 years ago. It's mindnumbing but certainly not surprising from this group.

 

[Sydla]

It has been reported by many media outlets that Marinelli prefers him. Two or three threads on here has the info.

Where?

Apparently there is a Broaddus tweet about this from a week ago but Broaddus seems to tweet every 5 minutes.

The closest thing I could find was some guy who asked that the coaches, including Marinelli, like Zeke and Broaddus tweeted back, "He has his fans".

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yeah your right, that 90's team with the great OL and Mr. Smith worked great with Curvin Richards and Derrick Lassic...lol.

I agree. If anybody could guarantee me that Zeke would turn into Emmitt, I would be all for it. Heck, if anybody were even comparing him to Emmitt, I could be good with it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That depends on your definition of BPA. Is it best at his craft or best for the team? If the latter, it is Zeke and it's not even close.

Usually I would agree. However, in this case I don't believe there is a difference. On our board, it's the same thing. The best player, according to almost every evaluation I've seen is either Ramsey or Tunsil, in this draft. Because Tunsil is probably going at three, the best player and our highest rated player is likely one in the same and, it's a position of need. All things kinda converge on this one IMO.

 

[kazzd58]

Read the post. It's not about comparing the Lions to the Cowboys. Linehan has been an OC or a HC since 2003 in the NFL. These are the picks at RB, for four different teams, that haven't worked out. I have no idea what you are talking about when you say, "Best wasn't a list conclusions took him out". Also, what do you know about those OLs?

Linehan's ability to pick talent at RB does not impress me. If you are taking backs in the 1st or 2nd round, they should be good players for you. None of those guys were. If you wanna blame it on the OL, then why in the world would you spend a high pick on a position that you knew was going to fail? My opinion has not changed. I'm not impressed with Linehan's opinion on RB talent.

mistype on Best but basically he was pretty good back until concussions made him retire I think he would have been a good back in this leage with his skill set and speed

And I know u weren't literally comparing Lions and Cowboys (I did read your post) but there is a difference in personnel but since you used that for an example I though id point out that the players offensively overall is better than Detroit was in his years there

 

[Jarv]

I agree. If anybody could guarantee me that Zeke would turn into Emmitt, I would be all for it. Heck, if anybody were even comparing him to Emmitt, I could be good with it.

I agree, that is the Millions of dollars question!

 

[jnday]

Where?

Apparently there is a Broaddus tweet about this from a week ago but Broaddus seems to tweet every 5 minutes.

The closest thing I could find was some guy who asked that the coaches, including Marinelli, like Zeke and Broaddus tweeted back, "He has his fans".

I am not going to spend the time looking up a known fact, but I read it several times on this board. It doesn't matter one way or the other. It seems that you missed it that's all.

 

[jday]

Usually I would agree. However, in this case I don't believe there is a difference. On our board, it's the same thing. The best player, according to almost every evaluation I've seen is either Ramsey or Tunsil, in this draft. Because Tunsil is probably going at three, the best player and our highest rated player is likely one in the same and, it's a position of need. All things kinda converge on this one IMO.

And that is an opinion you are certainly entitled to. However, make no mistake, the guy who stands to make the most immediate positive impact for the team is Zeke. I'm not going to step out on a limb and say he is better at his craft than Tunsil is at his, but I do believe Zeke edges out Ramsey in that particular category considering everything he is able to do.

 

[LatinMind]

Usually I would agree. However, in this case I don't believe there is a difference. On our board, it's the same thing. The best player, according to almost every evaluation I've seen is either Ramsey or Tunsil, in this draft. Because Tunsil is probably going at three, the best player and our highest rated player is likely one in the same and, it's a position of need. All things kinda converge on this one IMO.

When people paid to talk about rankings talk about Ramsey i hear he is a top prospect in this draft as a S, but not as a CB.

 

[Sydla]

I am not going to spend the time looking up a known fact, but I read it several times on this board. It doesn't matter one way or the other. It seems that you missed it that's all.

Seems odd that if it's been reported multiple times and been here in multiple threads, you could find it easily.

As I said, I wonder if people took that one tweet from Broaddus about Elliott have fans amongst some coaches and took that to mean he was talking about Marinelli.

 

[DBOY3141]

When people paid to talk about rankings talk about Ramsey i hear he is a top prospect in this draft as a S, but not as a CB.

I think Mayock has him as his top rated CB and has Joseph as the top S, but he could have changed that within the last week.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

mistype on Best but basically he was pretty good back until concussions made him retire I think he would have been a good back in this leage with his skill set and speed

And I know u weren't literally comparing Lions and Cowboys (I did read your post) but there is a difference in personnel but since you used that for an example I though id point out that the players offensively overall is better than Detroit was in his years there

Jahvid best was a 1st round pick. He was 5'9" 190 lbs, he never ran for more then 555 yards in a season or scored more then 6 TDs. He was terrible on the blitz pickup and the book on him was that he was too small to be an every down back. The best thing he did was catch the football and he did that pretty well for one season. He was basically Lance Dunbar taken in the first round. Linehan is not a guy who historically uses the running game as a way to control the clock and wear down a defense. He uses backs as another facet of the passing game. When you say that the Lions or whomever didn't have the same line, well, that's true but there is a reason for it. That's not what Linehan wants to do. He wants to throw the ball. If you look at the line that Detroit had, at the time, they had some talent. Were they as good as the one the Cowboys have? No, but part of the reason is that he never really wanted our kind of LOS. If he had, he would not have wasted picks on players like Best. I am no fan of Linehan and his Offense.

 

[LatinMind]

I think Mayock has him as his top rated CB and has Joseph as the top S, but he could have changed that within the last week.

Speed WRs are going to eat him up. Teams running misdirection and picks are going to have field days with him. Watch his games at FSU and you will see this when he played CB. Watch The ND and Oregon games When he played Safety, you see this. The kid can run a 40 good, but he doesnt change direction very well. He didnt have the hip movement that Scandrick has let alone a player that Richard Sherman. I wont hate this pick if its him, but noway should he be a top 5 pick as a CB. No way in hell. Beckham and Jackson IMOwould eat him up in the first 2 weeks.

 

[Jenky]

Speed WRs are going to eat him up. Teams running misdirection and picks are going to have field days with him. Watch his games at FSU and you will see this when he played CB. Watch The ND and Oregon games When he played Safety, you see this. The kid can run a 40 good, but he doesnt change direction very well. He didnt have the hip movement that Scandrick has let alone a player that Richard Sherman. I wont hate this pick if its him, but noway should he be a top 5 pick as a CB. No way in hell. Beckham and Jackson IMOwould eat him up in the first 2 weeks.

Outside of Marcus Peters, rookie DBs tend to struggle their first year anyhow.