Draft rumors (Cowboys)

[LatinMind]

Outside of Marcus Peters, rookie DBs tend to struggle their first year anyhow.

When ur drafted 4 ur not supposed to expect to struggle. At 4 ur supposed be impact. Thats why drafting a CB for a zone defense at 4 overall in todays NFL is one of the dumbest picks you can make. Not because of the player, but because of the way the game is played and called. If this team played press cover this pick would make sense. But off man playing zone with his deficiencies off a WR no.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

And that is an opinion you are certainly entitled to. However, make no mistake, the guy who stands to make the most immediate positive impact for the team is Zeke. I'm not going to step out on a limb and say he is better at his craft than Tunsil is at his, but I do believe Zeke edges out Ramsey in that particular category considering everything he is able to do.

That's not an opinion. That's been reported. Now, if you want to say that the reporting is not accurate, that's fine but it's pretty widely agreed upon that the top two players in this draft are Tunsil and Ramsey, in whatever order you want to rank them.

If you want to talk about who is going to impact more, that is debatable. It's possible that Zeke has more impact but I would say that it is far from a given. He would have to beat out a thousand yard rusher and an experienced back in Morris, who I believe, is going to have a really good year behind this line. I actually think it's more probably that Ramsey ends up having more impact. He is probably starter day one. Either way, I don't think it's a given that Zeke is the one who has more impact. A really good Safety can make a big difference to this defense.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

When people paid to talk about rankings talk about Ramsey i hear he is a top prospect in this draft as a S, but not as a CB.

I agree but Safety is a need for this team. CB is really not IMO. We currently have a much better group of CBs then Safeties. Heck, we don't have a real FS on our Roster.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

When ur drafted 4 ur not supposed to expect to struggle. At 4 ur supposed be impact. Thats why drafting a CB for a zone defense at 4 overall in todays NFL is one of the dumbest picks you can make. Not because of the player, but because of the way the game is played and called. If this team played press cover this pick would make sense. But off man playing zone with his deficiencies off a WR no.

But drafting a Safety for a zone defense is huge.

 

[lostar2009]

Connor Cook it the second or third.

 

[jnday]

Seems odd that if it's been reported multiple times and been here in multiple threads, you could find it easily.

As I said, I wonder if people took that one tweet from Broaddus about Elliott have fans amongst some coaches and took that to mean he was talking about Marinelli.

Marinelli was mentioned specifically . What difference does it make? It must be worrying you. I really don't care about any of these little reports myself. I don't put much stock into any of them. Marinelli probably realizes that s better RB will keep his defense off the field and enable the offense to put up more points. I don't really know if Zeke is the RB that is good enough to improve the offense , but I do believe that the right RB would be worth the pick.

 

[jnday]

Connor Cook it the second or third.

You will get the Dak Attack and like it.

 

[kazzd58]

Jahvid best was a 1st round pick. He was 5'9" 190 lbs, he never ran for more then 555 yards in a season or scored more then 6 TDs. He was terrible on the blitz pickup and the book on him was that he was too small to be an every down back. The best thing he did was catch the football and he did that pretty well for one season. He was basically Lance Dunbar taken in the first round. Linehan is not a guy who historically uses the running game as a way to control the clock and wear down a defense. He uses backs as another facet of the passing game. When you say that the Lions or whomever didn't have the same line, well, that's true but there is a reason for it. That's not what Linehan wants to do. He wants to throw the ball. If you look at the line that Detroit had, at the time, they had some talent. Were they as good as the one the Cowboys have? No, but part of the reason is that he never really wanted our kind of LOS. If he had, he would not have wasted picks on players like Best. I am no fan of Linehan and his Offense.

I didn't say he was a hall of famer I sd his skill set is pretty good now the blocking an all that im not talking about that I didn't study that part of his game I'm talking about what he can do with the ball in his hands and he was hurt those seasons too didn't play a full season my opinion

I know how I would use him in my offense tho that's y I think he was pretty good if used right but he was concussed as well which ended his career early and never realyl was the same sine that injury in college to me

Linehan also sd he didn't have the personnel to do so u have to have success consistently in order to run too like it has to actually work when you call it to to keep doing it imo

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Speed WRs are going to eat him up. Teams running misdirection and picks are going to have field days with him. Watch his games at FSU and you will see this when he played CB. Watch The ND and Oregon games When he played Safety, you see this. The kid can run a 40 good, but he doesnt change direction very well. He didnt have the hip movement that Scandrick has let alone a player that Richard Sherman. I wont hate this pick if its him, but noway should he be a top 5 pick as a CB. No way in hell. Beckham and Jackson IMOwould eat him up in the first 2 weeks.

Beckham eats everybody up not named Norman. Also, I think you are overstating it a little bit. He does struggle more against smaller, quicker WRs but he doesn't get eaten up. Also, he actually has excellent agility and quickness. The problem, I think, is that he needs to see it in front of him. He has the physical ability to be both fast and quick, regardless of his size, but he is not a quick twitch guy. That is why I think he could be a top FS. When he sees it in front of him, he can run to a point like no other and he does make plays on the ball. He is also an excellent tackler. There is a lot to like about that kid at FS.

 

[MikeT22]

You will get the Dak Attack and like it.

probably

 

[KJJ]

"Jerry Jones is a big Ezekiel Elliott fan, and that the Cowboys owner would prefer the Ohio State runner"

well, were not getting EE.

Listening to Jerry yesterday didn't sound like he wants to use his top pick on an RB. He talked about the short career they have due to all the wear and tear and said there's backs later in the draft. Doesn't mean he won't draft Elliott but it didn't sound like RB is the way he wants to go with that pick.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I didn't say he was a hall of famer I sd his skill set is pretty good now the blocking an all that im not talking about that I didn't study that part of his game I'm talking about what he can do with the ball in his hands and he was hurt those seasons too didn't play a full season my opinion

I know how I would use him in my offense tho that's y I think he was pretty good if used right but he was concussed as well which ended his career early and never realyl was the same sine that injury in college to me

Linehan also sd he didn't have the personnel to do so u have to have success consistently in order to run too like it has to actually work when you call it to to keep doing it imo

I don't agree with that, only because the writing was on the wall with him. He was to small to be an every down back. Why would you draft a RB in the first round who could not be an every down back? Does that make sense to you?

This is why I don't like Linehan. He is not a good evaluator of talent and how it projects to the NFL IMO. A perfect example of this is Reggie Bush. He was everybodies can't miss RB. When I saw him, I said he would not be a guy who would ever lead the league in rushing and would have real problems staying healthy. You love his skills and you can see his talent but common sense tells you that you aren't going to be able to have that guy be your 3 down back over an entire season. He's just not built to be able to hold up. That is why you don't draft those kinds of guys to early. As talented as they are, the chances are good that those kinds of players won't be healthy long term.

 

[Sydla]

Marinelli was mentioned specifically . What difference does it make? It must be worrying you. I really don't care about any of these little reports myself. I don't put much stock into any of them. Marinelli probably realizes that s better RB will keep his defense off the field and enable the offense to put up more points. I don't really know if Zeke is the RB that is good enough to improve the offense , but I do believe that the right RB would be worth the pick.

Again, it should be pretty easy to find, right? I mean you keep acting like it's common knowledge so where are the tweets and stories confirming it?

What bothers me isn't Marinelli thinking Elliott would be a good choice, it's the fact that you Elliott people have been trotting out exaggerations such as he's never, ever fumbled at OSU and that he's be a great bargain on a rookie contract.............. saying Marinelli, the defensive coordinator, would love Elliott at 4 might be another one of those exaggerations.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Wanna bet, fat boy? JK.

no.

I would be just peachy with EE.

But whenever JJ talks around Draft time.............. you cant believe a word he says.

Go with the opposite of what he said.....or is he foolin this time using , reverse-reverse psychology on top of reverse psychology, mixed in with propaganda and counter intelligence and deception????


ohhh that JJ.......

 

[DTown214]

Any chance we take Corey Coleman or Josh Doctson if they fall to 34? Either one of those guys opposite Dez would be amazing.

 

[LatinMind]

But drafting a Safety for a zone defense is huge.

but this team has already said theyre not looking at him for S. theyre looking at him for CB

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Again, it should be pretty easy to find, right? I mean you keep acting like it's common knowledge so where are the tweets and stories confirming it?

What bothers me isn't Marinelli thinking Elliott would be a good choice, it's the fact that you Elliott people have been trotting out exaggerations such as he's never, ever fumbled at OSU and that he's be a great bargain on a rookie contract.............. saying Marinelli, the defensive coordinator, would love Elliott at 4 might be another one of those exaggerations.

If I remember that statement, it was something to the effect that Marinelli would rather have Zeke over Bosa. Now, if that is accurate, it did not say the Marinelli wanted Zeke over anybody else. There are lots of reasons for this. Marinelli might see what others see. A lot of people, including me, see a guy who is not an edge rusher. He may see a guy who is a strong side DE and then he looks at his roster and see 5 or 6 more of those guys already on the team. He may not like something about the player, could be redflag stuff, who knows?

 

[LatinMind]

Beckham eats everybody up not named Norman. Also, I think you are overstating it a little bit. He does struggle more against smaller, quicker WRs but he doesn't get eaten up. Also, he actually has excellent agility and quickness. The problem, I think, is that he needs to see it in front of him. He has the physical ability to be both fast and quick, regardless of his size, but he is not a quick twitch guy. That is why I think he could be a top FS. When he sees it in front of him, he can run to a point like no other and he does make plays on the ball. He is also an excellent tackler. There is a lot to like about that kid at FS.

Yeah he makes plays on it and drops alot of easy INTs. I would feel more comfortable with this pick if Dallas wouldnt have said they see him as a CB. just dont see why they need to push it with Ramsey. They already have a Ramsey and his name is Byron Jones

 

[jday]

That's not an opinion. That's been reported. Now, if you want to say that the reporting is not accurate, that's fine but it's pretty widely agreed upon that the top two players in this draft are Tunsil and Ramsey, in whatever order you want to rank them.

If you want to talk about who is going to impact more, that is debatable. It's possible that Zeke has more impact but I would say that it is far from a given. He would have to beat out a thousand yard rusher and an experienced back in Morris, who I believe, is going to have a really good year behind this line. I actually think it's more probably that Ramsey ends up having more impact. He is probably starter day one. Either way, I don't think it's a given that Zeke is the one who has more impact. A really good Safety can make a big difference to this defense.

Let's keep in mind that the reporter behind what's being reported went to school to be a reporter...not a scout, not a football player, not a coach, so he is not worthy of giving a whole lot of credence to in terms of talent evaluation. Zeke would be behind a 1000 yard rusher who could probably get another meaningless 1000 yards when things are blocked well and a guy whose ability has been on the decline since he started. A ballhawking safety would absolutely make a huge impact...that's just not what Ramsey is. So, yes, once again, of all the players available the guy who stands to make the most impact to the entire team is Zeke.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

but this team has already said theyre not looking at him for S. theyre looking at him for CB

That's not what the team said. The team did say that they were looking at him as a CB first. It was also reported that he projects better to FS then he does to CB. It did not say that he was not a good player or that he could not play CB well. I personally think it's a waste to play him there but whatever. The team never said that they were only looking at him to play CB. I never read that or heard that.