Drafting Under Jason Garrett

[big dog cowboy]

In addition I think grading any draft after only 2 seasons is going to yield some inaccuracies after year 3 has been completed.

The CZ instant draft gratification society disagrees.

 

[Crown Royal]

I like Canadian reporters better than Dallas reporters now.

Trust me, you want to tap the breaks on this one lol.

 

[Doomsday101]

I like our chances this season if 2012 draft class can step up and live up to the expectations.

 

[xwalker]

Trust me, you want to tap the breaks on this one lol.

OK, I'll take your word on it.

I was just impressed to see a well written article. You just don't see many of those anymore, especially not here in DFW.

 

[Crown Royal]

OK, I'll take your word on it.

I was just impressed to see a well written article. You just don't see many of those anymore, especially not here in DFW.

It's an article about a Canadian player written for Canadian fans. I promise that the articles the Canadians write about the Leafs, for example, look a WHOLE LOT more like what you read about the Cowboys on a daily basis.

 

[erod]

It's a combination of Garrett purging the roster of its old, tired players, and Will McClay earning Jerry's trust and being promoted ahead of Ciskowski as the main talent guy.

Good news is (knock on wood), Jerry seems to defer to McClay and Garrett now. A least a bit.

 

[Hoofbite]

1 up, 1 down, 1 floating and TBD

 

[ShiningStar]

While the OP scored on at least looking at our drafts, the bigger picture, (even for me) is who was available when and where, by that i mean, if we took play x while player A was still there and passed up on a talent or a bust, than the draft holds another grade.

For the sake of arguing for the sake of arguing. Except for later rounds being later rounds Garrett has brought in some staying power. Smith and Frederick are here to stay. while both Wade and Jason have coached on the shoulders of Romo, that credit going to Sean Payton. I personally no longer look at the drafts as a whole, but who you brought in to help the team for years to come whether you got the best out of them or the next coach. Frankly stating, you are going to have busts and super stars of the draft, but the staying power may not be either, just may be a solid player who has done enough to stay on the roster, but hasnt been uber talented or in the right position, (WRs and RBs receive more praise than the players who made the play) and its those guys that the unsung heroes of a driving force.

 

[jday]

There has been a feeling that Jason Garrett has been putting together good drafts while Head Coach, and while his game management issues have been documented, many point to the way he's been putting together a young core through the draft as his real value to this team. However, looking over his 3 classes I think it's okay, but nothing really to feel overjoyed about.

2011 Draft

RoundPick #OverallNamePositionCollege
19Tyron SmithOffensive TackleUSC
2840Bruce CarterLinebackerNorth Carolina
3771DeMarco MurrayRunning BackOklahoma
413110David ArkinGuardMissouri State
512143Josh ThomasCornerbackBuffalo
611176Dwayne HarrisWide ReceiverEast Carolina
717220Shaun ChapasFullbackGeorgia
749252Bill NagyCenterWisconsin

Tyron Smith has turned into a great player, but considering he was a top 10 selection I'm not sure how much credit Jason Garrett deserves for the selection. Players picked in the top 10 are supposed to be good, and that 2011 top 10 was filled with impact players.

Looking beyond that pick, I think we can agree that Murray has proven to be a good runner, although his future with the team is a mystery due to his inability to stay healthy. Outside of Murray, Dwayne Harris has been a pretty good return man and a nice get in the 6th. Bruce Carter is looking like a bust, while the rest of our picks are no longer on this roster.

Grade: B

2012 Draft
RoundPick #OverallNamePositionCollege
166Morris ClaiborneCornerbackLouisiana State
31881Tyrone CrawfordDefensive EndBoise State
418113Kyle WilberLinebackerWake Forest
440135Matt JohnsonSafetyEastern Washington
517152Danny CoaleWide ReceiverVirginia Tech
616186James HannaTight EndOklahoma
715222Caleb McSurdyLinebackerMontana

This class is why we have so many holes on our defense. We drafted 4 defensive players in the first 4 rounds, and that should have given us at the very least some productive talent. Unfortunately, Claiborne is looking like a massive bust and those other names have not been able to get on the field. While there is still time for them to turn it around, it's now year 3 and it has to happen soon. Right now, it doesn't look promising.

Grade: D(F if Claiborne can't turn it around)

2013 Draft
RoundPick #OverallNamePositionCollege
13131Travis FrederickCenterWisconsin
21547Gavin EscobarTight EndSan Diego State
31274Terrance WilliamsWide ReceiverBaylor
31880J.J. WilcoxSafetyGeorgia Southern
417114B. W. WebbCornerbackWilliam & Mary
518151Joseph RandleRunning BackOklahoma State
617185DeVonte HollomanLinebackerSouth Carolina

Jury still out on this class. Frederick brought stability at Center and Williams enjoyed a nice rookie season. We'll see if he can become a productive #2 WR, if he does that pick looks pretty good. Jury out on Escobar, Wilcox, and Holloman. The team has some plans for these guys, and the grade of this draft will depend heavily on if they can get anything out of them.

Grade: INC, but off to decent start.

I don't really think you can put the blame all on Jason Garrett when it comes to defensive players. It is my personal belief that Garrett allows his defensive coordinators to pick their own ingredients to build the defense. I point to an article when Rob Ryan was still our coordinator in the days leading up to the draft..he advised reporters he was only looking at DB's. That was the draft that produced Claiborne. Clearly Ryan had put his stamp of approval on Claiborne, who, at the time, was considered the best CB available. Also, Dwayne Harris, given his production in Special Teams, in my opinion, was a steal. He was one of the most productive returners last year and was one of our best, if not the best, cover guys on returns that we had.

 

[CashMan]

I don't really think you can put the blame all on Jason Garrett when it comes to defensive players. It is my personal belief that Garrett allows his defensive coordinators to pick their own ingredients to build the defense. I point to an article when Rob Ryan was still our coordinator in the days leading up to the draft..he advised reporters he was only looking at DB's. That was the draft that produced Claiborne. Clearly Ryan had put his stamp of approval on Claiborne, who, at the time, was considered the best CB available. Also, Dwayne Harris, given his production in Special Teams, in my opinion, was a steal. He was one of the most productive returners last year and was one of our best, if not the best, cover guys on returns that we had.

Do, you believe it was Jerry or Jason who wanted the trade up? Because I think the Fredrick thing was all Jerry. Although, now I think he was a good pick, it just showed how they use the draft board, or how all the coaches/scouts were not on the same page.

 

[CyberB0b]

There has been a feeling that Jason Garrett has been putting together good drafts while Head Coach, and while his game management issues have been documented, many point to the way he's been putting together a young core through the draft as his real value to this team. However, looking over his 3 classes I think it's okay, but nothing really to feel overjoyed about.

The only thing you have to look at is how talent poor we are on defense. That should tell you we aren't doing a good enough job.

 

[ShiningStar]

The only thing you have to look at is how talent poor we are on defense. That should tell you we aren't doing a good enough job.

to be fair our defense did change. So that should account for something.

 

[TheFinisher]

I don't really think you can put the blame all on Jason Garrett when it comes to defensive players. It is my personal belief that Garrett allows his defensive coordinators to pick their own ingredients to build the defense. I point to an article when Rob Ryan was still our coordinator in the days leading up to the draft..he advised reporters he was only looking at DB's. That was the draft that produced Claiborne. Clearly Ryan had put his stamp of approval on Claiborne, who, at the time, was considered the best CB available. Also, Dwayne Harris, given his production in Special Teams, in my opinion, was a steal. He was one of the most productive returners last year and was one of our best, if not the best, cover guys on returns that we had.

Garrett doesn't get a pass. He's the head coach. The fact he had no idea how to evaluate defensive talent plays a large role into how we became the last ranked defense in 2013. His 3 year reign produced that, no hiding from that.

 

[jday]

Do, you believe it was Jerry or Jason who wanted the trade up? Because I think the Fredrick thing was all Jerry. Although, now I think he was a good pick, it just showed how they use the draft board, or how all the coaches/scouts were not on the same page.

Jerry clearly has the final say...the question is who did he listen to? My guess is, Rob Ryan.

 

[xwalker]

The only thing you have to look at is how talent poor we are on defense. That should tell you we aren't doing a good enough job.

Before the 2012 draft, they had a front 5 of Ware, Spencer, Ratliff, Hatcher, Josh Brent and then they draft Crawford and Wilber. Lissemore was in there also.

A year and a half later, Ware was barely functional, Spencer and Crawford were out, the scheme change got Lissemore and Wilber ended up as a LB instead of moving to the DL. Ratliff flaked out. Josh Brent killed somebody.

It was really hard to prepare to that situation. About the only thing you could say they should have done differently was to draft a DL over Escobar, but any DL that were on their board for that pick were gone. They could have reached for a guy like the DE/OLB that went to Houston and was released a few months later.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Garrett doesn't get a pass. He's the head coach. The fact he had no idea how to evaluate defensive talent plays a large role into how we became the last ranked defense in 2013. His 3 year reign produced that, no hiding from that.

Going thru 20 DL's didn't help either.

 

[ShiningStar]

Before the 2012 draft, they had a front 5 of Ware, Spencer, Ratliff, Hatcher, Josh Brent and then they draft Crawford and Wilber. Lissemore was in there also.

A year and a half later, Ware was barely functional, Spencer and Crawford were out, the scheme change got Lissemore and Wilber ended up as a LB instead of moving to the DL. Ratliff flaked out. Josh Brent killed somebody.

It was really hard to prepare to that situation. About the only thing you could say they should have done differently was to draft a DL over Escobar, but any DL that were on their board for that pick were gone. They could have reached for a guy like the DE/OLB that went to Houston and was released a few months later.

do you mean to say not all of our picks are the right picks, for shame.

 

[jday]

Garrett doesn't get a pass. He's the head coach. The fact he had no idea how to evaluate defensive talent plays a large role into how we became the last ranked defense in 2013. His 3 year reign produced that, no hiding from that.

I don't recall using the word "pass." Okay I just reread my post and I know I didn't. I get where your coming from, though. As the Head Coach, the onus is on him. Or is it? Because, as we all know, Jerry Jones has the final say on who get's drafted. He is the guy that makes the actual call, so...the blame could be spread over alot of people. I will say this, Jason Garrett absolutely should be the guy making that call so that when it's blame time, it's a little easier to point the finger.

 

[ShiningStar]

Going thru 20 DL's didn't help either.

this is where i credit Rod more than anyone else.

 

[xwalker]

do you mean to say not all of our picks are the right picks, for shame.

I don't think that's what I meant, or maybe I did depending on what you meant.

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