Drew Brees and Tony Romo comparison

[Future]

Who is this HoF QB?

Talking about Brees in NO, who couldn't get to the playoffs last year with the terrible defense.

 

[tyke1doe]

You mean I said Romo is better than Brees, right?

Yep. My bad.

I think the whole jump ball thing got blown out of proportion, its really just a small one of a number of factors that come into play.

Fair point about the Favre comparisons, but I think that throwing less picks is part of the evolution of every great quarterback.

Reality still doesn't say that Brees is any better than Romo, to me, but whatever haha

Fair enough. We could beat this dead horse even more, but you're entitled to your opinion. I really wish Romo were handled a little better early in his career. Even though I think TO is a great receiver, I never wanted him on this team. I think the Cowboys should have adopted more of a run-oriented offense, ala, the KC Chiefs of now. We had the defensive pieces, but I think we got away from it when we saw how good Romo was/is. But we never reined (?) in his turnover propensity until later in his career and now, I fear, it may be too late.

I think he has the talent to lead a team to the Super Bowl, but at this stage in his career, he's going to need major pieces around him. If the Chiefs had Romo, they'd likely still be undefeated and headed for home field advantage.

But if "ifs" were gifts, we'd all be presents.

 

[dstovall5]

Who is this HoF QB?

Drew Brees? .....

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

Talking about Brees in NO, who couldn't get to the playoffs last year with the terrible defense.

The defense wasnt it. Their
Head coach being suspended kinda was an issue though. They would have still made the playoffs with the defense, had Sean Payton been coaching

 

[tyke1doe]

Talking about Brees in NO, who couldn't get to the playoffs last year with the terrible defense.

Oh, okay, thanks. But that question isn't directed towards me because I don't think that. There are only a handful of quarterbacks who could overcome a bad defense. Elway is about the only quarterback who I can think of who did it. I think Brady could also, but he has benefited from good defenses during most of his career.

 

[tyke1doe]

The defense wasnt it. Their
Head coach being suspended kinda was an issue though. They would have still made the playoffs with the defense, had Sean Payton been coaching

Yes, Peyton had more of an impact, IMO. Also, was Greg Williams their defensive coordinator at the time he got suspended? If not, there's no telling how much of an influence a new defensive coordinator had on that team, the same team that was missing SP.

 

[George]

I guess you're another 30 sec highlight watcher. The Cowboys have 20 dropped passes this year and the defense is on pace to be the worst in NFL history. Yea, it's all Romo's fault. What a misinformed, naive ignorant take.

Not that you would understand...but where did I say it was all Romo's fault?

 

[Rockport]

Not that you would understand...but where did I say it was all Romo's fault?

Your post:

Please. We are 5-20 against teams .500 or better since 2011. Please. Romo is not the answer.

 

[jday]

I've heard constantly about how Romo should be able to carry this team if he were truly an elite QB, but is that really a realistic expectation for our QB? People say he's not elite and not in the same category as Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Drew Brees. So why do those same people expect him to be able to do something those other guys can't, especially if those guys are considered better? Romo doesn't have anywhere near the supporting cast as those other guys, yet he's expected to do just as much if not more.

The year one of those elite QBs did have a supporting cast similar to Romo's, he finished with a terrible record missing the playoffs, yet he still performed at a high level. And the QB I'm talking about is no scrub, he's widely considered as the 4th best QB and that QB is Drew Brees. Even elite QBs can't win when their surrounding players are atrocious, regardless if they're playing well or not. So again I ask, why is Romo expected to do something even the best QBs in the NFL can't accomplish?

So let's take this to another level and compare the 2012 New Orleans Saints to the 2013 Dallas Cowboys. Both teams didn't/don't have a HC, both teams had/have one of the worst defenses in NFL history, and both teams have franchise QBs. Now lets dig deeper and look at how they stack up in comparison to one another.

(Defensive Stats) 2013 Dallas Cowboys (Projected Stats) ///// 2012 New Orleans Saints

PPG - 26.8 ///// 28.4
Yards/Season - 6829 ///// 7042
Passing Yards/Game - 299 ///// 293
Passing TDs/Game - 2.0 ///// 1.9
Passing First Downs/Game - 14.8 ///// 14.8
Passing Yards/Attempt - 7.4 ///// 7.8
Take Aways - 30 ///// 26
Defensive Passer Rating - 95.1 ///// 93.8

(Offensive Stats) 2013 Tony Romo (Projected Stats) ///// 2012 Drew Brees

CMP% - 64.3 ///// 63
Yards - 3,993 ///// 5,177
Y/A - 7.1 ///// 7.7
TDs - 34 ///// 43
INTs - 9 ///// 19
QBRating - 98.3 ///// 96.3

(Record) 2013 Dallas Cowboys ///// 2012 New Orleans Saints

Dallas Cowboys Record - 7-6
New Orleans Saints Record - 7-9

As you can see from the above statistics, the 2012 New Orleans Saints and the 2013 Dallas Cowboys are very similar teams. Even with Drew Brees at the helm for the 2012 Saints, they still only managed to pull out 7 wins despite their QB playing some darn good football. So if the Drew Brees could only lead the Saints to 7 wins in the same situation Romo is in now, how in the heck do you realistically expect Romo to lead us into the playoffs? Also, just because he's making 100 million doesn't mean he should have to overcome one of the worst defenses in NFL history, especially since a future HoFer in Drew Brees couldn't even do it. And let's not act like our defense doesn't get paid either, because this year alone they're taking up 50 million in salary cap space which is just as much as the offense.

And to end this post, I'll ask this question again for the millionth time. How can someone realistically expect Romo to carry this team to the playoffs, when even Drew Brees couldn't even do it under the same circumstances?

/End Rant

Brees is the primary reason the Saints are a winning team.

Romo throws the ball away on fourth and 9 not even 2 seconds after taking the snap when he sees the blitz. Really???

Comparison over.

 

[Clove]

Well for one, Tony is the better QB of the two.

The only people that agrees with this are homer Cowboys fans. But the rest of the world says Drew Brees.

 

[Future]

The only people that agrees with this are homer Cowboys fans. But the rest of the world says Drew Brees.

Cool. Thanks for chiming in.

 

[burmafrd]

The defense wasnt it. Their
Head coach being suspended kinda was an issue though. They would have still made the playoffs with the defense, had Sean Payton been coaching

another one that failed football 101.

 

[burmafrd]

The only people that agrees with this are homer Cowboys fans. But the rest of the world says Drew Brees.

do you thing anyone really believes you- oustide of your fellow romo haters?

 

[goshan]

Who really thinks Romo is better? I don't buy anyone does.

 

[DFWJC]

Well, Brees was born in Dallas (moved to Austin in grade school) and Romo plays QB in Dallas.
So see, they have plenty in common!

Seriously though, the OP is dead on as far as unreal expectations for Romo given the team around him--especially on defense. The stats just bear that out even further than common sense should in the first place.

However, lrt's not get carried away.
That is NOT saying he is as good as Brees. I think most or almost all of us realize that is most definitely not true.

 

[egn22]

I've heard constantly about how Romo should be able to carry this team if he were truly an elite QB, but is that really a realistic expectation for our QB? People say he's not elite and not in the same category as Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Drew Brees. So why do those same people expect him to be able to do something those other guys can't, especially if those guys are considered better? Romo doesn't have anywhere near the supporting cast as those other guys, yet he's expected to do just as much if not more.

The year one of those elite QBs did have a supporting cast similar to Romo's, he finished with a terrible record missing the playoffs, yet he still performed at a high level. And the QB I'm talking about is no scrub, he's widely considered as the 4th best QB and that QB is Drew Brees. Even elite QBs can't win when their surrounding players are atrocious, regardless if they're playing well or not. So again I ask, why is Romo expected to do something even the best QBs in the NFL can't accomplish?

So let's take this to another level and compare the 2012 New Orleans Saints to the 2013 Dallas Cowboys. Both teams didn't/don't have a HC, both teams had/have one of the worst defenses in NFL history, and both teams have franchise QBs. Now lets dig deeper and look at how they stack up in comparison to one another.

(Defensive Stats) 2013 Dallas Cowboys (Projected Stats) ///// 2012 New Orleans Saints

PPG - 26.8 ///// 28.4
Yards/Season - 6829 ///// 7042
Passing Yards/Game - 299 ///// 293
Passing TDs/Game - 2.0 ///// 1.9
Passing First Downs/Game - 14.8 ///// 14.8
Passing Yards/Attempt - 7.4 ///// 7.8
Take Aways - 30 ///// 26
Defensive Passer Rating - 95.1 ///// 93.8

(Offensive Stats) 2013 Tony Romo (Projected Stats) ///// 2012 Drew Brees

CMP% - 64.3 ///// 63
Yards - 3,993 ///// 5,177
Y/A - 7.1 ///// 7.7
TDs - 34 ///// 43
INTs - 9 ///// 19
QBRating - 98.3 ///// 96.3

(Record) 2013 Dallas Cowboys ///// 2012 New Orleans Saints

Dallas Cowboys Record - 7-6
New Orleans Saints Record - 7-9

As you can see from the above statistics, the 2012 New Orleans Saints and the 2013 Dallas Cowboys are very similar teams. Even with Drew Brees at the helm for the 2012 Saints, they still only managed to pull out 7 wins despite their QB playing some darn good football. So if the Drew Brees could only lead the Saints to 7 wins in the same situation Romo is in now, how in the heck do you realistically expect Romo to lead us into the playoffs? Also, just because he's making 100 million doesn't mean he should have to overcome one of the worst defenses in NFL history, especially since a future HoFer in Drew Brees couldn't even do it. And let's not act like our defense doesn't get paid either, because this year alone they're taking up 50 million in salary cap space which is just as much as the offense.

And to end this post, I'll ask this question again for the millionth time. How can someone realistically expect Romo to carry this team to the playoffs, when even Drew Brees couldn't even do it under the same circumstances?

/End Rant

Great analysis, great post.

 

[dstovall5]

Brees is the primary reason the Saints are a winning team.

Romo throws the ball away on fourth and 9 not even 2 seconds after taking the snap when he sees the blitz. Really???

Comparison over.

What part do you not understand busted coverage? There was blockers that came up the middle untouched, In no way was Romo to blame for that play ... And you obviously didn't read my post, because it was more about how Brees couldn't win with the same garbage Romo has, so why do people expect Romo to win with it? I mean I know he's like da best QB of all time, but c'mon now.

The defense wasnt it. Their
Head coach being suspended kinda was an issue though. They would have still made the playoffs with the defense, had Sean Payton been coaching

Well then that's not Romo's situation. Both had no HC, no defense, and no supporting cast what so ever. Both QBs played well over the season, but the teams still missed the playoffs despite great QB play. If Sean Payton was still coaching then it wouldn't of been as an accurate comparison, because we all know JG dang sure isn't a qualified coach. If Brees couldn't win with, don't expect Romo to do any differently.

 

[TrailBlazer]

do you thing anyone really believes you- oustide of your fellow romo haters?

I'm not a romo basher. But he is not in Drew Bree's league. Only blind homers would say something that ridiculous. Romo is second tier. And that not a knock on him. It's reality.

 

[TrailBlazer]

Who really thinks Romo is better? I don't buy anyone does.

Think again. Read @Future posts in this thread. He really believes romo is better. Laughable really.

 

[dstovall5]

Think again. Read @Future posts in this thread. He really believes romo is better. Laughable really.

It's just as laughable as the guys who rank him as an average QB. Romo is closer to the elite tier than he is to the average tier. Also, you will always have people on both ends of the spectrum though, so that's not anything new.