Drew Brees and Tony Romo comparison

[CATCH17]

Romo isn't really attacking defenses this year. Everything is safe.

Breese is playing to win and it's working for them.

I dunno I think all of this is just a reflection of the guys coaching them because Romo used to not be like this. With the amount of turnovers we have had it's stunning how we haven't taken advantage of it.

 

[Vtwin]

It's easy to say that now, but @ that time, who would of predicted Brees was going to be this great of a qb under Martyball. He was coming off of a sholder injury and was just a good qb.

I was driving the get Brees bandwagon when the Chargers chose Rivers over him. You could see both the talent, and more importantly, the attitude he possessed. The torn rotator cuff was a little scary but given the Cowboys QB situation I would have jumped all over bringing Brees in.

I was really surprised the Cowboys didn't make an effort to get him and assumed it had to be a salary cap issue at the time.

 

[RastaRocket]

only haters post what you did. Don't try and act like you are not. No one believes it.

You're right, I hate Tony Romo. Thanks for telling me how I feel.

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/all-aboard-the-romo-express.250267/

 

[tyke1doe]

I'm talking about a handful of instances per game, tops...the whole thing is being overblown anyways. A consistent passing game definitely is more dependent on timing and rhythm. But when plays break down, sometimes the chuck and pray happens. Brees has that option consistently.

So you're using a handful of instances per game to build your case that Brees has had better receivers than Romo?
If you're only looking at a handful of instances per game, then Tim Tebow was an accurate passer. But no one would say he was more accurate than Brees.
Do you see how you're destroying your argument based on a very small sample size?

 

[burmafrd]

You're right, I hate Tony Romo. Thanks for telling me how I feel.

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/all-aboard-the-romo-express.250267/

one or two posts means nothing when most of the others say something different

 

[Future]

So you're using a handful of instances per game to build your case that Brees has had better receivers than Romo?
If you're only looking at a handful of instances per game, then Tim Tebow was an accurate passer. But no one would say he was more accurate than Brees.
Do you see how you're destroying your argument based on a very small sample size?

I never said he has better receivers than Romo...though I probably would, especially if you include Sproles. I said he has more forgiving receivers. The reality is that, even though Witten is great, its just easier to throw to Jimmy Graham. Dez is as talented as they come, but you can't rely on him like you can Colston.

Bad throws happen 5-10 times a game, and the accuracy of the QB is not the point I'm making. Brees is accurate, duh. Guys who can mitigate 2 or 3 of those bad throws have a big impact, even if it is a small sample size.

The biggest issue I have with Brees is that he plays in a system and environment where everything goes right for him. Brilliant offensive mind and a great system, outstanding Oline, depth at WR, and guys who make plays when he doesn't. Plus, he has put up huge numbers against the NFC South, which has been terrible as a whole for the last 6 years or so. On top of that, he throws 40 times a game and they keep throwing when they are up big.

 

[Animosity]

The only thing I need to know about these two

Romo one playoff win in 8 years

Brees a SUPER BOWL MVP.

Nuff said.

 

[tyke1doe]

I never said he is. The fade is just an example of a jump ball.

Not really. The fade is just a ball thrown at a particular spot. A fade in the end zone would be in the corner of the end zone as the receiver is "fading" out of the play. The back shoulder fade is when the quarterback throws it to a back shoulder allowing his receiver to come back and get it. Neither is a jump ball per say.

A jump ball is when the ball is lofted in a place where the tallest person should get it. But those aren't very accurate throws. They're sort of like the Hail Mary.

 

[burmafrd]

The only thing I need to know about these two

Romo one playoff win in 8 years

Brees a SUPER BOWL MVP.

Nuff said.

now another one to ignore. Amazing how so many gomers think football is a one person game

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

only haters post what you did. Don't try and act like you are not. No one believes it.

You romo homers are so lost. Reminds me alot of the Garrett homers on here a few years ago.

 

[TrailBlazer]

I'm talking about a handful of instances per game, tops...the whole thing is being overblown anyways. A consistent passing game definitely is more dependent on timing and rhythm. But when plays break down, sometimes the chuck and pray happens. Brees has that option consistently.

Lol chuck and pray. This isn't high school football. Bree's knows what he's doing.

 

[RastaRocket]

one or two posts means nothing when most of the others say something different

Really man? What are you talking about?

Go find my negative posts about Romo and link me to them then. I bet the only thing that seems slightly negative is in this thread, and that is because I am comparing him to what I said is a tier 1 QB with Brady/Manning/Rodgers. Romo is tier 2 for me.

Seriously, bring me examples of me hating Romo. You are just putting a bunch of ideas in your head that you have about my opinions based on some posts about Terrell Owens and Drew Brees. How are you going to tell me "one or two posts means nothing" when I started a thread immediately after we lost the NFC Championship game last season supporting Romo. I supported Romo then, before then, and now.

Good grief.

 

[Future]

Not really. The fade is just a ball thrown at a particular spot. A fade in the end zone would be in the corner of the end zone as the receiver is "fading" out of the play. The back shoulder fade is when the quarterback throws it to a back shoulder allowing his receiver to come back and get it. Neither is a jump ball per say.

A jump ball is when the ball is lofted in a place where the tallest person should get it. But those aren't very accurate throws. They're sort of like the Hail Mary.

Fades turn into jump balls all the time, whether or not they are designed to. You know what I mean anyways you're just being difficult. Jump balls, and yes, even fades, are like Hail Marys in that the receiver has to go up over someone to make a play. But that doesn't mean a guy has to be triple covered for it to be a jump ball, and they can happen anywhere on the field. Jump ball doesn't literally mean who can jump the highest to get it.

 

[dstovall5]

Seems like there is no middle ground anymore around here. If you aren't willing to place Romo up there with Brees/Brady/Rodgers/Manning then you are considered a "Romo Hater".

In my mind he is the next category (5-10 or so) and that's good enough. Yeah -- sure we all wish we had one of those truly elite guys but it doesn't mean Romo is holding the Cowboys back.

When someone says "Romo is not the answer", then yes they're a "Romo hater". If one of the best QBs in the NFL isn't the "answer", then we'll never find the "answer". Sad, but true.

And yes, there's middle ground, but most choose not to take that stance. When someone says Romo is an average (12-16) QB, then yes they're hating. And please show me this quote where it states that if anyone doesn't believe Romo is a top 4 QB, then they're a "Romo hater". I've never seen such a post, nor have I posted anything along those lines. That wouldn't even make sense for me to post that, especially since I don't even think Romo's an elite QB. Romo's a 2nd tier QB in the NFL, which any team with a decent defense would make the playoffs with.

 

[tyke1doe]

I never said he has better receivers than Romo...though I probably would, especially if you include Sproles. I said he has more forgiving receivers. The reality is that, even though Witten is great, its just easier to throw to Jimmy Graham. Dez is as talented as they come, but you can't rely on him like you can Colston.

Bad throws happen 5-10 times a game, and the accuracy of the QB is not the point I'm making. Brees is accurate, duh. Guys who can mitigate 2 or 3 of those bad throws have a big impact, even if it is a small sample size.

The biggest issue I have with Brees is that he plays in a system and environment where everything goes right for him. Brilliant offensive mind and a great system, outstanding Oline, depth at WR, and guys who make plays when he doesn't. Plus, he has put up huge numbers against the NFC South, which has been terrible as a whole for the last 6 years or so. On top of that, he throws 40 times a game and they keep throwing when they are up big.

I think you got in trouble because you said Brees is better than Romo. You're entitled to your opinion, of course.

But I don't see how you can subtract those things from the equation. One reason why Brees is great is because of the system. But that can be said about any quarterback also. You put Brees behind the 90s Cowboy offense, and he's not going to be as "great" because that was a run-oriented offense.

Second, I don't think you can use jump balls as a criterion because, as you said, it's not really a factor in most games.

Third, I think you forget that one of the reasons that the Cowboys "pulled Romo back in" is because of his propensity for throwing interceptions or making mistakes earlier in his career. Romo is more Favre than Brees is.

Be that as it may, I don't believe Romo is better than Brees. I think it does have to do with systems, but that goes without saying. No one knows what Romo would have done had he played for the Saints and no one knows what Brees would have done if he played for the Cowboys. It's mere speculation. We can only judge by what IS and, as of right now, reality says that Brees is the better quarterback.

Anyway, I applaud you for standing up for you beliefs.

 

[tyke1doe]

Fades turn into jump balls all the time, whether or not they are designed to. You know what I mean anyways you're just being difficult. Jump balls, and yes, even fades, are like Hail Marys in that the receiver has to go up over someone to make a play. But that doesn't mean a guy has to be triple covered for it to be a jump ball, and they can happen anywhere on the field. Jump ball doesn't literally mean who can jump the highest to get it.

I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm trying to be accurate.
Fades aren't jump balls. Usually, the receiver has position on a defender whether it's the corner of the end zone or in the middle of the field where the receiver comes back for the ball while the defender is running.

Second, I guess I would ask you to define "jump ball" because it seems you apply that term loosely. I define it as a quarterback throwing it high in the air to a general spot, hoping the tallest person, which is his receiver, gets it regardless of coverage.
A fade is not a jump ball because a fade is a pass thrown at a specific spot where the receiver catches it fading away from the defender.

 

[dstovall5]

Also, I still haven't seen anyone acknowledge my question. To those who blame Romo for our record, or think Dallas can do better then him, answer this. How is it realistic to expect Romo take carry us to the playoffs, when a HoF QB couldn't even do it in the same situation. Simple question is all, not hard to answer.

 

[Future]

I think you got in trouble because you said Brees is better than Romo. You're entitled to your opinion, of course.

But I don't see how you can subtract those things from the equation. One reason why Brees is great is because of the system. But that can be said about any quarterback also. You put Brees behind the 90s Cowboy offense, and he's not going to be as "great" because that was a run-oriented offense.

Second, I don't think you can use jump balls as a criterion because, as you said, it's not really a factor in most games.

Third, I think you forget that one of the reasons that the Cowboys "pulled Romo back in" is because of his propensity for throwing interceptions or making mistakes earlier in his career. Romo is more Favre than Brees is.

Be that as it may, I don't believe Romo is better than Brees. I think it does have to do with systems, but that goes without saying. No one knows what Romo would have done had he played for the Saints and no one knows what Brees would have done if he played for the Cowboys. It's mere speculation. We can only judge by what IS and, as of right now, reality says that Brees is the better quarterback.

Anyway, I applaud you for standing up for you beliefs.

You mean I said Romo is better than Brees, right?

I think the whole jump ball thing got blown out of proportion, its really just a small one of a number of factors that come into play.

Fair point about the Favre comparisons, but I think that throwing less picks is part of the evolution of every great quarterback.

Reality still doesn't say that Brees is any better than Romo, to me, but whatever haha

 

[tyke1doe]

Also, I still haven't seen anyone acknowledge my question. To those who blame Romo for our record, or think Dallas can do better then him, answer this. How is it realistic to expect Romo take carry us to the playoffs, when a HoF QB couldn't even do it in the same situation. Simple question is all, not hard to answer.

Who is this HoF QB?

 

[Future]

I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm trying to be accurate.
Fades aren't jump balls. Usually, the receiver has position on a defender whether it's the corner of the end zone or in the middle of the field where the receiver comes back for the ball while the defender is running.

Second, I guess I would ask you to define "jump ball" because it seems you apply that term loosely. I define it as a quarterback throwing it high in the air to a general spot, hoping the tallest person, which is his receiver, gets it regardless of coverage.
A fade is not a jump ball because a fade is a pass thrown at a specific spot where the receiver catches it fading away from the defender.

Yea, we just have different definitions of jump ball. I would consider most any pass where the defender and receiver both have the same chance to make a play to be a jump ball. Maybe 50/50 ball would be a better term.