Drool all you want, this RB is a master, tackle-breaking machine, with speed to take it to the house

[Sydla]

Which is why I said arguably. Carter has 1 year of production and still needs to improve his instincts at the position change so I love him but people could argue “1 year wonder.”

1. I don’t think he’s generational - but in a weak class he’s clearly one of the best 3ish players.

2. Agree

I think you missed my point…I said I wanted no part of a RB in the 1st. My point is he’s a top 3ish talent in this class and I’ve seen multiple posters literally act like he isn’t good bc of his game against PSU. Completely insane IMO - if anything his 100+ yards and 10+ broken tackles solidified how good he is for me considered the talent difference between the teams. He’s about as can’t miss as you can get barring medicals or off the field stuff we don’t know about.

I don't think he's a top 3 talent. He feasted on bottom barrel defenses and when he got a chance to show his stuff against the kind of talent he will see in the NFL, he was ineffective.

He's a good player. But I don't think he's really even a Top 5-7 talent.

 

[cnuball21]

I don't think he's a top 3 talent. He feasted on bottom barrel defenses and when he got a chance to show his stuff against the kind of talent he will see in the NFL, he was ineffective.

He's a good player. But I don't think he's really even a Top 5-7 talent.

So if Saquon was elite he should’ve been an MVP candidate behind the giants OL when he was their only big threat right?

Couldn’t disagree with you more. Moving along.

 

[rambo2]

I don't think he's a top 3 talent. He feasted on bottom barrel defenses and when he got a chance to show his stuff against the kind of talent he will see in the NFL, he was ineffective.

He's a good player. But I don't think he's really even a Top 5-7 talent.

I think he is a top 5 in this draft. If he stays healthy, he will do very well. Give us your top 12 players.

 

[DasTex]

I think he is a top 5 in this draft. If he stays healthy, he will do very well. Give us your top 12 players.

This would be my board for 1st round

Travis Hunter
Mason Graham
Ashton Jeanty
Tetairoa McMillian
Abdul Carter
Will Johnson
Kelvin Banks Jr
Will Campbell
Malaki Starks
Cam Ward
Tyler Warren
Shedeur Sanders
Luther Burden III
James Pearce Jr
Jalon Walker
Emeka Egbuka
Nic Scourton

 

[rambo2]

This would be my board for 1st round

Travis Hunter
Mason Graham
Ashton Jeanty
Tetairoa McMillian
Abdul Carter
Will Johnson
Kelvin Banks Jr
Will Campbell
Malaki Starks
Cam Ward
Tyler Warren
Shedeur Sanders
Luther Burden III
James Pearce Jr
Jalon Walker
Emeka Egbuka
Nic Scourton

It looks like Jeanty is a top 5 player any way you shake it. Hard not to take him at 12.

 

[baltcowboy]

I understand no wanting to take a 1st rd back, especially in a deep class, but cannot understand why people are questioning his talent.

We have seen this song and dance on this board forever. I remember a similar argument concerning Parsons. A consensus top 5 pick falls to 12 you run to the podium. You have at the very least probably the best running back in the division for the next 5 years. Zeke without the baggage.

 

[baltcowboy]

In fairness, this dumb franchise kept running Zeke out there inside the 10.

Why? I have no idea.

You know Jerry. That id why. He told McCarthy to play him. I believe Zeke complained to the front office after the Steelers game and you saw what happened.

 

[4lifecowboy]

Not in todays NFL. RBs are far more reliant on what's around them than any other position IMO.

Take Barkley. He was a good RB for the Giants. Then he got put on a team with a much better OL, better QB, better WRs and suddenly he looks better than ever.

People thinking Jeanty is somehow going to change the face of our offense are likely going to be disappointed given the fact we still have some OL questions, the QB is in flux and outside of Lamb, we have really zero passing threats outside.

Not at all, but having a dynamic threat in the backfield alleviates alot of flaws in other position as well.

 

[Sydla]

So if Saquon was elite he should’ve been an MVP candidate behind the giants OL when he was their only big threat right?

Couldn’t disagree with you more. Moving along.

Not sure where you are going with this.

But Barkley himself is a great example. He is arguably the most gifted TB to come out in the last decade. And yet he was unable to really move the needle for the Giants. He put up numbers but the team never really did much. It was only until he got to Philly, that already had an established offense with two dynamic WRs, an elite OL and a decent enough QB did he really make an impact. It kind of highlights the reality that RBs alone aren't needle movers themselves.

I think some here have tricked themselves into believing that if you drop Jeanty into this current offense with Dak, he transforms it. He likely won't.

Hence why I can't justify the 12th pick on a RB. Given the current set up of the Cowboys, RB, while a need, is also the least likely to move the needle substantially for the team. Now if they are aggressive in FA addressing other needs? Now it gets a bit easier to swallow a TB at 12.

 

[Sydla]

Not at all, but having a dynamic threat in the backfield alleviates alot of flaws in other position as well.

I tend to think it's the other way around as evidenced by Barkley while in NY and then Barkley in Philly.

Barkley was very good in NY but he never was able to move the needle, he wasn't able to elevate others around him to make them a legitimate threat as a playoff team. It wasn't until he was dropped into a situation where the pieces around him were already good that the true effects of Barkley could be felt.

Let's put it another way. You drop Barkley into this team instead of Philly, the Cowboys still aren't that much better than they are. Because the reality is a TB can't drastically change the fortunes of a team until there are enough pieces around him.

 

[cnuball21]

Not sure where you are going with this.

But Barkley himself is a great example. He is arguably the most gifted TB to come out in the last decade. And yet he was unable to really move the needle for the Giants. He put up numbers but the team never really did much. It was only until he got to Philly, that already had an established offense with two dynamic WRs, an elite OL and a decent enough QB did he really make an impact. It kind of highlights the reality that RBs alone aren't needle movers themselves.

I think some here have tricked themselves into believing that if you drop Jeanty into this current offense with Dak, he transforms it. He likely won't.

Hence why I can't justify the 12th pick on a RB. Given the current set up of the Cowboys, RB, while a need, is also the least likely to move the needle substantially for the team. Now if they are aggressive in FA addressing other needs? Now it gets a bit easier to swallow a TB at 12.

Right…so it sounds like OL play and the talent around him really helped Saquon when he got the Eagles.

Aka Jeantys game against PSU has no bearing on his talent level.

Just like Bijans crap performance against Alabama didn’t impact his stock and Gibbs crap performance against Texas didn’t impact his stock.

 

[Creeper]

Love the player but I just do not think RB has the value for a top 15 pick.

Plus there are other RB who might work out for Dallas like Neal from Kansas or even Singleton of Penn St. The Cowboys have too many other holes to fill, like DT.

But I think Jerry would love to draft Jeanty. He cares little about the DL which is why he spends so little money on it.

 

[cnuball21]

Love the player but I just do not think RB has the value for a top 15 pick.

Plus there are other RB who might work out for Dallas like Neal from Kansas or even Singleton of Penn St. The Cowboys have too many other holes to fill, like DT.

But I think Jerry would love to draft Jeanty. He cares little about the DL which is why he spends so little money on it.

That’s where I am…in a weak 1st round Is probably be more open to Jeanty but considering this arguably the best RB class of the last decade we’d get way more value out of getting a RB or 2 later.

 

[gtb1943]

We have seen this song and dance on this board forever. I remember a similar argument concerning Parsons. A consensus top 5 pick falls to 12 you run to the podium. You have at the very least probably the best running back in the division for the next 5 years. Zeke without the baggage.

Mo Claiborne was a pick supposedly going if not top 5 close to it
how did that turn out?

 

[Sydla]

Right…so it sounds like OL play and the talent around him really helped Saquon when he got the Eagles.

Aka Jeantys game against PSU has no bearing on his talent level.

Just like Bijans crap performance against Alabama didn’t impact his stock and Gibbs crap performance against Texas didn’t impact his stock.

And like Barkley, Bijan didn't move the needle in Atlanta. Gibb joined an already stacked offense.

You actually keep making my point for me. I don't care how good you think Jeanty is, a RB rarely transforms an offense.

 

[Dhragon]

Do you guys arguing against Jeanty actually think that if we draft some defensive player instead we will be competing for Superbowls then?

We still have Jerry and then Steven waiting in the wings making all the decisions so I seriously doubt drafting Jeanty means we are losing out on future glory. And in the meantime, having him will certainly bring some exciting moments in game we otherwise would not have.

Hope we draft him myself

 

[cnuball21]

And like Barkley, Bijan didn't move the needle in Atlanta. Gibb joined an already stacked offense.

You actually keep making my point for me. I don't care how good you think Jeanty is, a RB rarely transforms an offense.

And for the 3rd time I don’t want a RB at 12.

Bijan may not get Atl over the hump bc the team isn’t good enough but he’s already one of the best RBs in football. Did you knock him and say he was overrrated bc he sucked against Alabama and that was his biggest test? Just want to make sure you’re keeping it consistent.

 

[cnuball21]

And like Barkley, Bijan didn't move the needle in Atlanta. Gibb joined an already stacked offense.

You actually keep making my point for me. I don't care how good you think Jeanty is, a RB rarely transforms an offense.

You also basically moved the goal post off of the field for the argument…

We’ve been discussing how the game against PSU changes his draft stock and now you’re arguing a RB doesn’t transform an offense which I’ve never claimed.

 

[plasticman]

At least 2 qbs and that could change to 3 and at least 2 olinemen will go in top 10. Travis Hunter will go. Mason Graham and Abdul Carter should go. Tet McMillan should go. I suspect that another corner should go and Burden could go. That's 11 right there. Jeanty could very well drop to 12.

None of them could influence a game as much as Jeanty in my opinion.

Jeanty had the second most yards in a college season in history. Do you know who was first?

Barry Sanders.

Some analysts have listed Jeanty as the 2nd best player. You are correct, of course, that the QB's will receive inflated value but i see at least 4 teams in front of us that need to address their running game. Jeanty would elevate a current need to elite status.

 

[TNCowboy]

Dramatically overrated. Warren, Egbuka, Burden, Barron, Grant would be a much better picks. Taking RBs early is fools gold, I'd have though the Zeke experience would've taught Cowboy fans that much.