Drop percentage

[Seven]

Owens - 144 passes, 17 drops - 11.8%
Jackson - 112 passes, 11 drops - 9.8%
A. Johnson - 157 passes, 11 drops - 7.0%
Williamson - 76 passes, 11 drops - 14.5%
Smith - 131 passes, 10 drops - 7.6%
R. Brown - 92 passes, 9 drops - 9.8%
B. Franks - 52 passes, 8 drops - 15.4%
Henderson - 50 passes, 8 drops - 16%
Moss - 97 passes, 8 drops - 8.2%
McMichael - 88 passes, 8 drops - 9.1%
Reggie Williams - 82 passes, 8 drops - 9.8%


Just thought it was interesting that TO's drop percentage isn't far out of line with any other WRs that have been targeted alot and have a little problem with dropsies. I don't know that any of them have a hand problem, either. I can't excuse the critical drops, because he really ought to be clutch, but his drop percentage isn't fantastically bad, as it's made out to be.

Nice stats SP. Heard this on the radio the other day and wondered about the critical drops. These stats are not merely quid pro quo here. There are definite levels involved.

 

[burmafrd]

I think that you have to look at his injuries as probably causing a couple of his drops. take away 2-3 of those drops and he is right in line with the rest of them. when they have happened has been a big part of it of course, but clearly the media and his critics magnify them.

 

[Bleu Star]

Owens - 144 passes, 17 drops - 11.8%
Jackson - 112 passes, 11 drops - 9.8%
A. Johnson - 157 passes, 11 drops - 7.0%
Williamson - 76 passes, 11 drops - 14.5%
Smith - 131 passes, 10 drops - 7.6%
R. Brown - 92 passes, 9 drops - 9.8%
B. Franks - 52 passes, 8 drops - 15.4%
Henderson - 50 passes, 8 drops - 16%
Moss - 97 passes, 8 drops - 8.2%
McMichael - 88 passes, 8 drops - 9.1%
Reggie Williams - 82 passes, 8 drops - 9.8%


Just thought it was interesting that TO's drop percentage isn't far out of line with any other WRs that have been targeted alot and have a little problem with dropsies. I don't know that any of them have a hand problem, either. I can't excuse the critical drops, because he really ought to be clutch, but his drop percentage isn't fantastically bad, as it's made out to be.

Shocking post form you. Nice research.

 

[Doomsday101]

any time Doomsday enters the TO discussion, hate abounds, he shows more propensity to hate TO than any other poster, but you see superpunk is a good poster, but he is not a game-changer

Hate abounds? What did I say that is not true? Please tell me the game changing plays he has made? tell me the cluch grabs he has made late in games that helped us win. I felt he did a very good job in the alt game but I can't think of many others where his big play helped turn a game around. In the end the reality is I hate those who will defend his every actions, more than the man himself.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I hate TO RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

 

[Concord]

T.O SHUT THE F UP ALREADY!

Oh wrong thread.

 

[burmafrd]

yawn.

 

[Aikbach]

I hate to state the obvious but any time T.O. gets his hands on the ball, there is "potential" for a huge play.

Yep, his drops are usually devastating.

 

[Bleu Star]

T.O SHUT THE F UP ALREADY!

Oh wrong thread.

 

[coogrfan]

Owens - 144 passes, 17 drops - 11.8%
Jackson - 112 passes, 11 drops - 9.8%
A. Johnson - 157 passes, 11 drops - 7.0%
Williamson - 76 passes, 11 drops - 14.5%
Smith - 131 passes, 10 drops - 7.6%
R. Brown - 92 passes, 9 drops - 9.8%
B. Franks - 52 passes, 8 drops - 15.4%
Henderson - 50 passes, 8 drops - 16%
Moss - 97 passes, 8 drops - 8.2%
McMichael - 88 passes, 8 drops - 9.1%
Reggie Williams - 82 passes, 8 drops - 9.8%


Just thought it was interesting that TO's drop percentage isn't far out of line with any other WRs that have been targeted alot and have a little problem with dropsies. I don't know that any of them have a hand problem, either. I can't excuse the critical drops, because he really ought to be clutch, but his drop percentage isn't fantastically bad, as it's made out to be.

Interesting, but I think this misses the mark. Imo your premise is flawed due to the fact that your sample consists of the league leaders in drops, most of whom have had far fewer balls thrown their way than Owens has.

A more valid comparison would to be to look at the top 10 in # of passes thrown to, and see how their # of dropped passes compares.

1 Torry Holt StL 166 6 drops
2 Donald Driver GB 162 7 drops
3 Andre Johnson Hou157 11 drops
4t Anquan Boldin Ari 147 5 drops
4t Chris Chambers Mia 147 8 drops
6t Laveranues Coles NYJ 146 2 drops
6t Chad Johnson Cin 146 5 drops
8 Terrell Owens Dal 144 17 drops
9 Roy Williams Det 142 4 drops
10 Marvin Harrison Ind 138 6 drops

I haven't worked out the %'s, but it seems obvious that Owens is dropping passes at a much higher rate than any of the other "elite" receivers.

 

[superpunk]

Interesting, but I think this misses the mark. Imo your premise is flawed due to the fact that your sample consists of the league leaders in drops, most of whom have had far fewer balls thrown their way than Owens has.

A more valid comparison would to be to look at the top 10 in # of passes thrown to, and see how their # of dropped passes compares.

1 Torry Holt StL 166 6 drops
2 Donald Driver GB 162 7 drops
3 Andre Johnson Hou157 11 drops
4t Anquan Boldin Ari 147 5 drops
4t Chris Chambers Mia 147 8 drops
6t Laveranues Coles NYJ 146 2 drops
6t Chad Johnson Cin 146 5 drops
8 Terrell Owens Dal 144 17 drops
9 Roy Williams Det 142 4 drops
10 Marvin Harrison Ind 138 6 drops

I haven't worked out the %'s, but it seems obvious that Owens is dropping passes at a much higher rate than any of the other "elite" receivers.

That's not what I was trying to find out. I know he drops balls at a higher rate than other elite receivers. This is clearly his worst year ever, though - and I wanted to see how that compared to other receivers who had similar problems with drops - if that makes sense. I know he has the problem, but was it outrageously more than any other receiver with a similar problem in the league? Not really. And, seeing as how it is his worst year ever, I don't think you can sell the hand problems short.

 

[Bleu Star]

Interesting, but I think this misses the mark. Imo your premise is flawed due to the fact that your sample consists of the league leaders in drops, most of whom have had far fewer balls thrown their way than Owens has.

A more valid comparison would to be to look at the top 10 in # of passes thrown to, and see how their # of dropped passes compares.

1 Torry Holt StL 166 6 drops
2 Donald Driver GB 162 7 drops
3 Andre Johnson Hou157 11 drops
4t Anquan Boldin Ari 147 5 drops
4t Chris Chambers Mia 147 8 drops
6t Laveranues Coles NYJ 146 2 drops
6t Chad Johnson Cin 146 5 drops
8 Terrell Owens Dal 144 17 drops
9 Roy Williams Det 142 4 drops
10 Marvin Harrison Ind 138 6 drops

I haven't worked out the %'s, but it seems obvious that Owens is dropping passes at a much higher rate than any of the other "elite" receivers.

awwwwwwwwww mannnnnnnn. Why did you have to spoil the party?

I still think your sig is outrageously funny.

 

[Bleu Star]

That's not what I was trying to find out. I know he drops balls at a higher rate than other elite receivers. This is clearly his worst year ever, though - and I wanted to see how that compared to other receivers who had similar problems with drops - if that makes sense. I know he has the problem, but was it outrageously more than any other receiver with a similar problem in the league? Not really. And, seeing as how it is his worst year ever, I don't think you can sell the hand problems short.

Are you bipolar or something? I find myself wanting to cheer for your wonderful research and reasoning here. Then I look over in "the other thread" and want to throw up in my thoat.

 

[notherbob]

TO's getting paid $10 Mil this year. Seems to me that should merit fewer drops. How much are the other guys on that list getting paid, especially the ones with fewer drops? How about Glenn's and Crayton's drops? If you're one of the highest paid, shouldn't you have fewer critical drops? Almost 12% drops is way too high for for that kind of salary, or any other WR who wants to keep his job. At this point I have to say that I don't think he has been worth the money, but then, it's Jerry's money, not mine.

 

[aikemirv]

Just a question,

Did anybody know that Jeremay Stevens ahd a drop problem before they were in the Superbowl last year?

Secondly, when they were on Sunday or Monday night football a few weeks ago did you continually hear about it?

Now, tell me again how everything TO does is magnified. I guarantee you that if he had not dropped the 4th and 2 vs NYG and the Bomb against Washington that this stuff would not even be discussed at this point in time.

His drops are magnified by two things. A couple of them were huge and he keeps complaining about not being involved!

 

[superpunk]

Just a question,

Did anybody know that Jeremay Stevens ahd a drop problem before they were in the Superbowl last year?

Secondly, when they were on Sunday or Monday night football a few weeks ago did you continually hear about it?

Now, tell me again how everything TO does is magnified. I guarantee you that if he had not dropped the 4th and 2 vs NYG and the Bomb against Washington that this stuff would not even be discussed at this point in time.

His drops are magnified by two things. A couple of them were huge and he keeps complaining about not being involved!

I think everyone knew Seattle's receivers had a problem, and knowing some seahawks fan, I was aware of their near hatred for Jeramy Stevens. But you're right, it was made a big deal of, because they were so important. And TO deserves it for those (we all know which ones they were). Probably, if he makes those 3-4 real important grabs, we don't care about his league leading 13-14 drops.

One thing interesting - super bowl MVP Deion Branch dropped 3 (maybe 4) passes for HUGE gains against the Chargers on Sunday. I didn't watch any highlight shows, but I haven't heard a thing about that. Lkely cost them the game, too. I don't need it explained to me why Branch and Owens are different, I'm just saying, is all.

 

[coogrfan]

That's not what I was trying to find out. I know he drops balls at a higher rate than other elite receivers. This is clearly his worst year ever, though - and I wanted to see how that compared to other receivers who had similar problems with drops - if that makes sense. I know he has the problem, but was it outrageously more than any other receiver with a similar problem in the league? Not really. And, seeing as how it is his worst year ever, I don't think you can sell the hand problems short.

The point I was trying to make is that you were comparing apples to oranges. By comparing #2 or 3 wr's to a guy like Owens, you can't get a true measure of how the drops are affecting his team.

 

[notherbob]

If TO wants to get more involved, maybe he should drop fewer passes - when you can't be depended on to catch the pass, pretty soon QBs look for someone else to throw the ball to - someone they can depend on; after all, there are other people to throw to, you know and they catch a higher percentage of passes thrown to them.

 

[Yeagermeister]

The point I was trying to make is that you were comparing apples to oranges. By comparing #2 or 3 wr's to a guy like Owens, you can't get a true measure of how the drops are effecting his team.

preach on brother coog

 

[superpunk]

The point I was trying to make is that you were comparing apples to oranges. By comparing #2 or 3 wr's to a guy like Owens, you can't get a true measure of how the drops are effecting his team.

I don't think I ever stated that that's what I wanted to find. Williamson is his team's #1 receiver. So is Johnson. I can't remember the others. Maybe I can summarize;

I found that this was Owens worst year ever for drops.

I found that even at his worst, in a new offense and with hand problems, he's not significantly worse than the worst WRs for drops in the NFL. This may not be news to anyone else, but I was under the impression that he was WAY beyond everyone else. That's nt accurate.

As for the effect on the team, only the fans can keep track of that, I'm sure. I know which of Owens' drops have affected us the most. I know Williamson dropped a sure TD against the Packers that cost his team a chance at the playoffs. But the others, I don't know.