Drop percentage

[Da Hammer]

Interesting, but I think this misses the mark. Imo your premise is flawed due to the fact that your sample consists of the league leaders in drops, most of whom have had far fewer balls thrown their way than Owens has.

A more valid comparison would to be to look at the top 10 in # of passes thrown to, and see how their # of dropped passes compares.

1 Torry Holt StL 166 6 drops
2 Donald Driver GB 162 7 drops
3 Andre Johnson Hou157 11 drops
4t Anquan Boldin Ari 147 5 drops
4t Chris Chambers Mia 147 8 drops
6t Laveranues Coles NYJ 146 2 drops
6t Chad Johnson Cin 146 5 drops
8 Terrell Owens Dal 144 17 drops
9 Roy Williams Det 142 4 drops
10 Marvin Harrison Ind 138 6 drops

I haven't worked out the %'s, but it seems obvious that Owens is dropping passes at a much higher rate than any of the other "elite" receivers.

Have any of those top receivers been playing with a broken finger just about all year like T.O has??? 2 seperate injuries to the same hand???

 

[Dave_in-NC]

actually on espn they had his stats, and he has 14 statistical drops not 17. what i dont like this that 144 attempts and only 80 catches. that means the quarterbacks are missfiring at a larger rate

You mean BSPN? Oh wait if it goes to owens favor, I'm sure it will be acceptable.

 

[cowboyed]

Owens - 144 passes, 17 drops - 11.8%
Jackson - 112 passes, 11 drops - 9.8%
A. Johnson - 157 passes, 11 drops - 7.0%
Williamson - 76 passes, 11 drops - 14.5%
Smith - 131 passes, 10 drops - 7.6%
R. Brown - 92 passes, 9 drops - 9.8%
B. Franks - 52 passes, 8 drops - 15.4%
Henderson - 50 passes, 8 drops - 16%
Moss - 97 passes, 8 drops - 8.2%
McMichael - 88 passes, 8 drops - 9.1%
Reggie Williams - 82 passes, 8 drops - 9.8%


Just thought it was interesting that TO's drop percentage isn't far out of line with any other WRs that have been targeted alot and have a little problem with dropsies. I don't know that any of them have a hand problem, either. I can't excuse the critical drops, because he really ought to be clutch, but his drop percentage isn't fantastically bad, as it's made out to be.

What degree of secondary defensive difficulty were these receivers comparatively exposed to. What types of passes where thrown to these receivers, were the receivers open or covered. How good was the pass from the quarterback? What were the weather and turf conditions? Night game or day game. Are all of these receivers No. 1 receivers. What downs and what quarters of the games were these pass attempts made. Which team was ahead and or behind?

Too many variables to extrapolate anything out of this.

 

[superpunk]

What degree of secondary defensive difficulty were these receivers comparatively exposed to. What types of passes where thrown to these receivers, were the receivers open or covered. How good was the pass from the quarterback? What were the weather and turf conditions? Night game or day game. Are all of these receivers No. 1 receivers. What downs and what quarters of the games were these pass attempts made. Which team was ahead and or behind?

Too many variables to extrapolate anything out of this.

LOL, only if you're going to be completely anal about the stat. I explained what I, personally was looking for. Others might draw different conclusions. I'm not looking at it from a situational stance. The conclusion I drew, without any of that other evidence, is that Owens - even with a broke hand and busted finger tendons, does not drop any more passes than any of the other notable receivers with the dropsies - who happen to have healthy hands.

That's all I was saying with it. Obviously it's open for interpretation, but that's what I wanted to know, personally.

 

[Shotgun Dave]

Interesting tidbits.

I have to say, though, that it doesn't really influence my opinion one way or the other because only Owens is a Cowboy. All I care about is the same thing I tell my kids when we play catch - "if you can get your hands on it you need to catch it". Owens has had his hands on a LOT of passes that would have made a difference if he had only managed to hang on. Some of those 17 were no big deal.

But a LOT of them were. My 8 year old son knows better than to drop easy passes and then complain. Owens doesn't. To me, it's as simple as that.

 

[LenS]

actually on espn they had his stats, and he has 14 statistical drops not 17. what i dont like this that 144 attempts and only 80 catches. that means the quarterbacks are missfiring at a larger rate

Are they misfiring? Or is Owens not running his patterns out? If he's off in his timing when he makes his cuts, he can make a QB look real bad when the ball goes to where Owens is expected to be.

That's probably why the coaches aren't using him that much on slants across the middle. They can't rely on Owens to be where he's supposed to be nor can they trust him to make the extra effort to knock down bad passes to stop interceptions.

 

[Shotgun Dave]

LOL, only if you're going to be completely anal about the stat. I explained what I, personally was looking for. Others might draw different conclusions. I'm not looking at it from a situational stance. The conclusion I drew, without any of that other evidence, is that Owens - even with a broke hand and busted finger tendons, does not drop any more passes than any of the other notable receivers with the dropsies - who happen to have healthy hands.

That's all I was saying with it. Obviously it's open for interpretation, but that's what I wanted to know, personally.

So...of players known to have bad hands, Owens is really no worse than the worst in the league, you say?

Well, I certainly feel better now!

:laugh2:

 

[Shotgun Dave]

What degree of secondary defensive difficulty were these receivers comparatively exposed to. What types of passes where thrown to these receivers, were the receivers open or covered. How good was the pass from the quarterback? What were the weather and turf conditions? Night game or day game. Are all of these receivers No. 1 receivers. What downs and what quarters of the games were these pass attempts made. Which team was ahead and or behind?

Too many variables to extrapolate anything out of this.

Love the Elvis sig, by the way. I bet fewer than 1% around would get that.

 

[superpunk]

So...of players known to have bad hands, Owens is really no worse than the worst in the league, you say?

Well, I certainly feel better now!

:laugh2:

None of those palyers broke their hands or busted their finger tendons. I don't feel great about it, but it is what it is. I think it will make more difference next year when he's healthy.

 

[Shotgun Dave]

Are they misfiring? Or is Owens not running his patterns out? If he's off in his timing when he makes his cuts, he can make a QB look real bad when the ball goes to where Owens is expected to be.

That's probably why the coaches aren't using him that much on slants across the middle. They can't rely on Owens to be where he's supposed to be nor can they trust him to make the extra effort to knock down bad passes to stop interceptions.

Excellent observation! A good comparison would be to check the ratio of passes thrown to passes complete of Terry Glenn. Without looking, I'd put $10 on Glenn having a higher completion-thrown to ratio than Owens. I bet it's not even close.

 

[Shotgun Dave]

I think it will make more difference next year when he's healthy.

...and playing for another team.

Seriously, if you can't get the job done - for whatever reason - then GET OFF THE FIELD AND LET SOMEONE ELSE PLAY. Aren't you people tiring of the constant excuses from TO?

:bang2:

I mean, which of the TWO passes he caught in the Philly game could Crayton, Austin or Hurd NOT have also caught? Owens is making a difference only in that he's dropping passes that others would very likely catch.

Well, that and he remains a distraction from what we ought to be focusing on - the playoffs!

 

[superpunk]

...and playing for another team.

Seriously, if you can't get the job done - for whatever reason - then GET OFF THE FIELD AND LET SOMEONE ELSE PLAY. Aren't you people tiring of the constant excuses from TO?



I mean, which of the TWO passes he caught in the Philly game could Crayton, Austin or Hurd NOT have also caught? Owens is making a difference only in that he's dropping passes that others would very likely catch.

Well, that and he remains a distraction from what we ought to be focusing on - the playoffs!

Hey, I don't like him. But I can't deny 12 TDs and nearly a TD per game more on offense out of the team. I think that deserves sticking around, headaches aside.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

None of those palyers broke their hands or busted their finger tendons. I don't feel great about it, but it is what it is. I think it will make more difference next year when he's healthy.

I'm going to get blasted but owens is turning the corner in age. He stays fit no doubt, but I don't know how much longer he can play at a high level.
Then there's the mental aspect.

 

[superpunk]

I'm going to get blasted but owens is turning the corner in age. He stays fit no doubt, but I don't know how much longer he can play at a high level.
Then there's the mental aspect.

That's absolutely a possibility. But when you look at his drops from year to year, and how much worse they are with the hand - and consider how much he has STILL produced, and think about what might happen were he healthy, I think you've got to be a little excited about that.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

That's absolutely a possibility. But when you look at his drops from year to year, and how much worse they are with the hand - and consider how much he has STILL produced, and think about what might happen were he healthy, I think you've got to be a little excited about that.

Eh. In all honesty my excitement will come upon his exit. A quieter, younger version would get me excited.

 

[Shotgun Dave]

His time was in San Fran, and that's where he should have stayed. I didn't want him here. I said so (pretty vehemently, in fact) and got absolutely ripped to shreds on this forum (largely, I imagine, by the people who just knew the Great TO would bring us a 6th Super Bowl victory), Well, although we'll make the playoffs and a Super Bowl is still a possibility, I think it's safe to say that Owens has not had the earth-shattering impact so many expected. Has he been a complete failure? No, he hasn't. But I'll be thrilled when he's in another uniform.

 

[superpunk]

His time was in San Fran, and that's where he should have stayed. I didn't want him here. I said so (pretty vehemently, in fact) and got absolutely ripped to shreds on this forum (largely, I imagine, by the people who just knew the Great TO would bring us a 6th Super Bowl victory), Well, although we'll make the playoffs and a Super Bowl is still a possibility, I think it's safe to say that Owens has not had the earth-shattering impact so many expected. Has he been a complete failure? No, he hasn't. But I'll be thrilled when he's in another uniform.

12 TDs, a TD more per game scoring for the team. I dont think you can minimalize his role in that. If anyone was thikning championship, like I was, they were hanging their hat on this defense, not a WR. I know which has been the bigger let down for me.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

12 TDs, a TD more per game scoring for the team. I dont think you can minimalize his role in that. If anyone was thikning championship, like I was, they were hanging their hat on this defense, not a WR. I know which has been the bigger let down for me.

I'm like Shotgun, never wanted him here any way.. I do agree that he has been beneficial to the offense but not enough. I also agreed that Bledsoe simply refused to throw to him. Romo has corrected that but it still hasn't made that big a difference. The stats are nice but not enough for me.

I also was hoping to ride the defense to at least an NFC title game. Since that doesn't look possible, owens becomes more of a factor. So do his drops.

 

[cowboyed]

LOL, only if you're going to be completely anal about the stat. I explained what I, personally was looking for. Others might draw different conclusions. I'm not looking at it from a situational stance. The conclusion I drew, without any of that other evidence, is that Owens - even with a broke hand and busted finger tendons, does not drop any more passes than any of the other notable receivers with the dropsies - who happen to have healthy hands.

That's all I was saying with it. Obviously it's open for interpretation, but that's what I wanted to know, personally.

It's cool superpunk. None of us have an absolute statistical chip to thow into the fray. This is from your general perspective. The only question I truly have is how bad is T.O.s finger. Is this a little bit of HammyGate? Too many things conveniently happen around T.O. when he struggles or just does not feel right about things. I wish he would chill out, man up and go out there and really play to his amazing level.

I think he is going to have to be that type of player to stay here another year unless he wants to buck out.

 

[Shotgun Dave]

12 TDs, a TD more per game scoring for the team. I dont think you can minimalize his role in that. If anyone was thikning championship, like I was, they were hanging their hat on this defense, not a WR. I know which has been the bigger let down for me.

I see your point, but I rememebr vividly what this board was like when his signing was announced. For many, it was like they had won the lottery. It was all "man, we OWN that Lomardy Trophy now"! I came out fast and hard saying that I was disgusted with the move and, although it was out of frustration and definitely a knee-jerk reaction, I said I was done with the Cowboys (such is my disrespect for TO and all he'd done to tarnish the Cowboys and football itself). I got past being so pissed about it that I would abandon the Cowboys (in about 3 days) but I remember vividly being told that I was WRONG and that TO was THE FINAL PIECE of the puzzle.

I guess somewhere in the middle is where it's at now. Figures - life's like that.