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CFZ DT Trysten Hill could surprise

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by quickccc, Jun 30, 2022.

  1. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    You'll just get a bunch of whining in this thread. Maybe 1 of 10 posts that won't be crybaby whining.

    Hill has significant physical talent.
    - Excellent quickness for a player over 300 pounds.

    He was the best DT in 2020 until his injury.
    - Better than Gallimore in the games they both played.

    He was active over Bohanna in the playoff game.

    If he stays healthy in the preseason, he should be in the rotation during the regular season.
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  2. xwalker

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    What do pushed around mean?

    I like Odighi, but he was directly responsible for 2 of the big runs allowed in the playoff game.
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  3. Ken

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    Blown off the ball 3-7 yards.

    Osa was a rookie...he can make mistakes. He will be a breakout player this year imo. Hill gets no quarter from me.
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  4. gimmesix

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    I would definitely be surprised. I like Hill's hustle. He chases after plays until the whistle. But while he has some quickness to his game for his size, he does not use it well, and that shows up in the lack of numbers he's produced at a high-production position, 3-tech. His two major problems is that he pops up out of his stance, which allows the OL to get into his body and negate his quickness, and he doesn't have great body control. That allows OL to steer him out of the way, whether that's rushing the QB or against the run.

    Odighizuwa showed much more promise last year as did Gallimore the year before. Because one of our focuses is fixing the run defense, I believe Hill, a weak run defender, would be beaten out for a roster spot by one of the two massive DTs, Bohanna and Ridgeway. My five are Odighizuwa, Gallimore, Watkins, Ridgeway and Golston. Golston may be counted as an end, but beefed up to 5-tech/3-tech size, and if he is, then I'd expect us to keep Bohanna over Hill, who just doesn't offer enough as a pass rusher to counter his run weaknesses.
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  5. erod

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    Can't change what he is.
  6. charron

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    I'm not holding my breath. But he likely has a spot here due to injuries along the line. He's not a starter but in a rotation they will need him when others get injured.
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  7. buybuydandavis

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    A 2nd round pick in his contract year "has a chance to make this 53 roster". Sad.

    Gallimore is a straight ahead player to me, so Hill having more agility doesn't impress me much. I don't think has half the strength and plays with nowhere near the leverage. I think its likely Hill makes the roster just because we have next to nothing at traditional 3T.
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  8. quickccc

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    What I still keep in mind is that Trysten is still somewhat short on experience.

    Let’s rehash his experience.:
    - Marinelli practically sat him out his rookie year. So that was a disruption to his learning experience.
    - His 2nd year he went down early with that ACL – which he was flashing penetrating ability before injury.
    - And this past year he was slow to recover from that ACL injury.
    - If he has a relative solid year, he works himself for a long term contract, either here in Dallas or elsewhere in the NFL.

    - Osa, even as a rookie, looks like he has a better knack for leverage
    and getting off blocks than Gallimore.
    I would guess that has a lot to do with his wrestling background.

    - Unlike Gallimore who still plays too high out of his stance that negates leverage
    and allows blockers to get into his chest,
    Osa already has great flexibility and a great feel for shoulder-hand usage.
    Who knows what he can be once he gains more play strength, muscle-bulk,
    endurance and game experience.

    - But Osa (especially at this stage) may not have Gallimore’s combination of power, bulk and pure athleticism.

    - And speaking of Neville, this past very lengthy elbow injury was a huge setback in needed experience for him as well.
    Like Trysten, he also didn’t make it back until about mid season.

    - I think it was a reason why they didn’t draft a DT early rounds, particularly the 3 tech role.
    They really want to give these 3 young guys a chance to develop and evaluate them accordingly.
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  9. RonnieT24

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    Which game was this? I have them all recorded and would like to go back and find this play you are referring to.. Unless of course it came out of the same part of your body you fart from..
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  10. CWR

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    Yeah I've lost most hope with Hill. Anything we get will be considered a bonus to me.
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  11. blueblood70

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  12. quickccc

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    As an invested 3rd rd pick, I'd certainly hope to have Chauncey to have Michael Bennett like aspirations.

    But in all likelihood for a guy that does not have impressive first step get off, or overwhelming power, Golston could end up being
    a tweener like Tyrone Crawford, who switches and kicks back and forth to end to DT.
    The club supposedly had Golston bulked him up to give him more of a chance to play some DT.

    A jack of trades but master of none ?
    i admit that among the more front running highly invested DL, i am the least impressed, least expectations
    of Golston than Osa, Gallimore or Trysten.

    But in all fairness, Chauncey is yet another that was hit and setback because of injuries.
    His camps and preseason was completely wiped out, and that had to have disrupted his learning experience,
    and he saw spotted time for the most part of the entire season.
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  13. Bullflop

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    There's some talent to be seen with Tristen Hill, but also some warts to be concerned with. It'll be interesting to see how he manages to extricate himself from the rut he's been into. He has that quick start to his credit. Hopefully, his injury concerns might disappear, as well. I'll be pleasantly surprised if he's able to impress favorably. Anything can happen with him, obviously. His DT position is one that's needy, so his success would be much appreciated.
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  14. quickccc

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    - i can only recall Hill's having the ACL injury, ..otherwise what other injuries could you be referring to ..?

    - We probably could not name one DT that managed to play well vs the run in the playoffs. We had two guys trying to come back from lengthy injuries in Gallimore, Hill.
    Osa was a rookie who despite being very durable all season long, every game, clearly showed signs of wearing down at season's end.
    A great offseason program and far more effective support around him should greatly benefit him more so.

    - And having no Gallimore, Hill in first half, forcing him to play much more reps. and only the likes of Hamilton did not help matters,
    Watkins is just what he is. Barely decent vet 1 tech, which you'd need to have much better.

    - Speaking of Gallimore, the play vs Washington where he flat slung the starting center outta the way and penetrated into th backfield for a QB sack. is why people
    are so high on Gallimore... We know it's in his ability to be that kind of player, we also know it's about consistency and putting his entire game to work,
    in every game, instead of one play for every 4 or 5 games.

    - We won't be able to seen none of these guys at their potential until they all have a relatively healthy year.
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  15. Bullflop

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    Yeah, but he's young yet and there's been hope that this year will be one that shows him favor. He seemed to come around toward year's end, but he needs to anchor better. Hopefully, his offseason dedication will show up better in holding his ground. Same goes for Neville, who needs to avoid injuries.
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  16. stilltheguru

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    Gallimore is 5 times the player trysten hill is. Don't embarass yourselves.
  17. Aven8

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    I actually watched a highlight reel of Micha’s rookie season yesterday and what I noticed is Osa got into the backfield a ton on these highlights. Like Aaron Donald quick.
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  18. Stash

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    I think his contract situation and being in the final year of his deal is a significant factor against him. The team can keep several young players with upside on the cheap vs having to pay Hill next year.
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  19. Stash

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    Marinelli did SO MUCH DAMAGE to this organization.
  20. OmerV

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    If we get a positive contribution from him at all I'll be happy, but at this point I certainly don't expect it.
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