E-Lie Throws Another League Leading INT - Now 11 More Than Romo

[DFWJC]

This is what is commonly felt by most or all of us that believe Romo is indeed the better talent, but we believe Eli has something that Romo doesn't. It doesn't mean Romo isn't a very good QB I/we (maybe) but certainly I do not believe Romo makes those plays and I don't believe the Giants have rings under Romo is those situations. I do think Romo gives the Cowboys the best chance to win because honestly who else is there, but since he has to have a perfect everything in order for it to happen I have accepted the fact that it won't.

Speak for yourself.

 

[DFWJC]

I know you will hate me but in our 2011 Superbowl run, Eli had an NFL record 4th quarter comeback wins.

It is not about regular season or post season. It is about delivering big games. Eli and Romo had their fair chances.

Eli delivered most of the time, and Romo didn't. That's why even though Romo is the better passer, Eli will go down as the better QB when it is 20-30 years from today.

Eli (and team) has had more chances.
One and done three times
All the way to the SB other two.

I think only one year (2007) did Romo have a team remotely capable of going deep in the playoffs.

And it is true that Eli (and team) has had a lot of 4th qtr comeback wins, so has Romo (and team). I think most all of us would agree that NY has had the far better defesnes during Eli's 8-9 years at the helm....especially and specifically when they got healthy and dominated in those two SB runs.

 

[slomoxn]

Speak for yourself.

I/WE (Maybe). There you go bub, read it again...

 

[slomoxn]

No disputing that...period. But if you like KJJ's picture he painted it is not a full picture without the entire scope of Eli's runs. If you can take a long look in the mirror as a Giants fan you must admit this. Eli was the benefit of one of the greatest defensive runs in NFL history. Combining both Super Bowl runs your defense gave up an average of only 15 points per game. There are some incredible stats about QB's who win and lose playoff games based on points allowed. (See a guy here named Percy - he will blow you away).

You must also add to Eli's resume the dropped pick six by Terrance Newman in the first Super Bowl run against the Cowboys late in the game that would've ended the Giants season. You can then add the drop by Rodney Harrison that would've ended the Super Bowl. And you can then add the three passes in the NFC Championship game against the 49ers that were so poorly thrown TWO defenders knocked each other off the ball on each throw.

Colin Cowherd, whenever he discusses Eli always states he is the combination of good AND fortunate, more so than any multiple Super Bowl winning QB in NFL history and he is right. The defense and the throws are not disputed nor are the results. The Giants won the games.

BTW - I've never gotten the whole 'like ' thing. Seems kind of vain to me. But - I was fair with you so if you like the truth, you will "like" this post - I guess.

This is all apart of what makes championship football what it is, good breaks, bad breaks, good plays, bad plays. Regardless everyone makes mostly good points and this debate will last until Romo and Eli retire and ten years after... Well, maybe a few will still be interested in continuing the debate when Eli's name is still in history for his Superbowls and Romo isn't if he never gets one. Either way I appreciate and respect points of views of those offering one instead of name calling due to frustration that some of us don't see things exactly the same way as they do.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

This is what is commonly felt by most or all of us that believe Romo is indeed the better talent, but we believe Eli has something that Romo doesn't. It doesn't mean Romo isn't a very good QB I/we (maybe) but certainly I do not believe Romo makes those plays and I don't believe the Giants have rings under Romo is those situations. I do think Romo gives the Cowboys the best chance to win because honestly who else is there, but since he has to have a perfect everything in order for it to happen I have accepted the fact that it won't.

The only thing Eli has had in years past that Romo did not was a better supporting cast. The Giants defense won those two Super Bowls, dragging Eli along behind them. I've said it before, Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won Super Bowls and QB's like Rex Grossman, Matt Hasselbeck, Kerry Collins, Chris Chandler, and Neil O'Donnell have gotten to Super Bowls. Does anybody honestly believe those players are better than Romo? That's laughable.

 

[5Stars]

The only thing Eli has had in years past that Romo did not was a better supporting cast. The Giants defense won those two Super Bowls, dragging Eli along behind them. I've said it before, Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won Super Bowls and QB's like Rex Grossman, Matt Hasselbeck, Kerry Collins, Chris Chandler, and Neil O'Donnell have gotten to Super Bowls. Does anybody honestly believe those players are better than Romo? That's laughable.

Sorry, bro...but logic like that is not comprehended to anyone that has not played organized sports.

See, it's that magic "ring" that counts, not the "team" that counts.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

The only thing Eli has had in years past that Romo did not was a better supporting cast. The Giants defense won those two Super Bowls, dragging Eli along behind them. I've said it before, Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won Super Bowls and QB's like Rex Grossman, Matt Hasselbeck, Kerry Collins, Chris Chandler, and Neil O'Donnell have gotten to Super Bowls. Does anybody honestly believe those players are better than Romo? That's laughable.

Some here would say all those guys you've listed did it on the big stage. They came thru in the pressure situation. They played their best in the "elimination" or "spotlight" or "do or die" games. They really played well in those games with the bigger TV audiences and didnt let the pressure of the larger TV crowd get to them. You know, those games that matter the most.

Hell, you've even had Eli compared to Joe Montana in this thread so to answer your question, YES. Its very likely that some here would rate any Super Bowl QB's ahead of Romo.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Sorry, bro...but logic like that is not comprehended to anyone that has not played organized sports.

See, it's that magic "ring" that counts, not the "team" that counts.

Logic like that is dismissed because it doesn't take into account how well Eli also played, in addition to the defense in those postseason runs.

Both times he clearly upped his game to another level and played very efficient and effective football, limiting mistakes and putting together very good TD/INT ratios.

That is why logic like that is dismissed when you hear someone say the defense won all those games and "drug" Eli along with them. Its bs.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Nobody is saying that E-Lie didnt play well in both of those runs. What QB hasnt played well when his team won the Super Bowl?

The problem people here have with the E-Lie love is that its some kinda slobbering love affair where the E-Lie lovers get a chill running up their leg. They elevate E-Lie to some heroic legendary like status. The chirp about him going to the HOF. Its as if he did it all by himself when his team won those Super Bowls. Sure he contributed and didnt make his normal predictable bonehead mistakes.

But, in all seriousness one has to recognize that E-Lie didnt have some magical game in either of those SB's. He played 2 entire Super Bowls and barely surpassed the points Troy put up in the first half of his first Super Bowl. Troy didnt need any last ditch drives to win because he got it done thru the entire game - 3 times.

E-Lie is an ordinary average caliber QB who makes major screw ups on a regular basis but had the good fortune not to in 2 post seasons and was fortunate enough to have a defense that kept the other team from scoring much so an average E-Lie could get a win twice. Take away the rabbits foot Tyree play and he's just another Super Bowl losing QB.

Lets acknowledge he played well enough to win in the fortunate circumstances he was in, but lets not make him out to be something he is not. He's not on Joe Montana's level. He's not a HOF caliber QB. He's average, and nothing more.

 

[slomoxn]

Nobody is saying that E-Lie didnt play well in both of those runs. What QB hasnt played well when his team won the Super Bowl?

The problem people here have with the E-Lie love is that its some kinda slobbering love affair where the E-Lie lovers get a chill running up their leg. They elevate E-Lie to some heroic legendary like status. The chirp about him going to the HOF. Its as if he did it all by himself when his team won those Super Bowls. Sure he contributed and didnt make his normal predictable bonehead mistakes.

But, in all seriousness one has to recognize that E-Lie didnt have some magical game in either of those SB's. He played 2 entire Super Bowls and barely surpassed the points Troy put up in the first half of his first Super Bowl. Troy didnt need any last ditch drives to win because he got it done thru the entire game - 3 times.

E-Lie is an ordinary average caliber QB who makes major screw ups on a regular basis but had the good fortune not to in 2 post seasons and was fortunate enough to have a defense that kept the other team from scoring much so an average E-Lie could get a win twice. Take away the rabbits foot Tyree play and he's just another Super Bowl losing QB.

Lets acknowledge he played well enough to win in the fortunate circumstances he was in, but lets not make him out to be something he is not. He's not on Joe Montana's level. He's not a HOF caliber QB. He's average, and nothing more.

You have just described Romo without rings... No one is elevating Eli to anything, we just don't throw stones in a glass house.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Like I said, this thread is gonna be gooooooooood times come Sunday around 630.

Where are the E-Lie lovers? They'll still be chirping about RINGS. Or, they'll be quiet.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

woooooooooooooo get the hell out you eli homers wooooooooooooooooooo ROMO> all day over eli

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

woooooooooooooo get the hell out you eli homers wooooooooooooooooooo ROMO> all day over eli

102.9 is a tough pill to swallow. So its all comes down to the rings when you got nothing to fall back on.

 

[perrykemp]

102.9 is a tough pill to swallow. So its all comes down to the rings when you got nothing to fall back on.

Not an Eli lover, however, didn't Manning have a higher QB rating than Romo in the game?

Which is it - the ratings, the rings, or whatever is convenient?

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Not an Eli lover, however, didn't Manning have a higher QB rating than Romo in the game?

Which is it - the ratings, the rings, or whatever is convenient?

Romo got it done when it counted most, oh excuse me, when it mattered most.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

romo 2 wins > giants 0 get the hell out of my forum !!!!!

 

[DallasInDC]

Not an Eli lover, however, didn't Manning have a higher QB rating than Romo in the game?

Which is it - the ratings, the rings, or whatever is convenient?

The only reason Eli had a higher rating was because of the INT that was caused by Dez and nt so much Romo.

 

[perrykemp]

Romo got it done when it counted most, oh excuse me, when it mattered most.

I thought the "Superbowl" is when it matters most.

Which is it, QB rating, rings, win, Superbowls, or whatever is convenient.

I'm sorry, I don't give two squats about Eli Manning, however, I find you hilarious. You have unhealthy fixation on the QB of the NY Giants.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

I thought the "Superbowl" is when it matters most.

Which is it, QB rating, rings, win, Superbowls, or whatever is convenient.

I'm sorry, I don't give two squats about Eli Manning, however, I find you hilarious. You have unhealthy fixation on the QB of the NY Giants.

Dude, you are asking the wrong guy these questions. You need to ask the guy who coined the descriptions for games to fit his arguments.

There are:
-Spotlight Games
-Do or Die Games
-Elimination Games
-Matter Most Games
-Big TV Audience Games
-Pressure Games

I just happen to be a Cowboy fan on a Cowboy fan forum who happens to find it odd that fans claiming to be Cowboy fans always promote the E-Lie love while bashing their own QB every chance they get, even tho Romo is the better talent and is able to carry his team while She-Lie cant.