Earl Thomas speaks

[JoeKing]

Say it until you're blue in the face, doesn't make it remotely true.

...and ET still isn't a Cowboy. Not going to happen. (blue in the face)

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

 

[Vegas_Cowboy]

On the flip side, the longer this goes on and SEA just wants to be done with it, and excepts our offer

This is why I didn't want the Cowboys to give up anything too that was too much leading up to the draft. Seattle wanted way too much. Now they're going to have to settle for less. No other team is going to offer much on him because they know that there's a good chance he bolts for Dallas when his contract is up.

Seattle backed themselves into a corner.

 

[J12B]

Asking price is going down with each day that goes by. Seattle is in a bad spot.

The most we should give up now is a 4th rounder.

49ers got a possible future franchise QB for a 2nd rounder. Why would we give up a 2nd for an aging Safety that comes with a high cap hit?

 

[lostar2009]

Seahawks lost this one. Could have gotten Gallup from us (a 3rd). Glad JJ stuck to his cards so far.

 

[J12B]

Seahawks lost this one. Could have gotten Gallup from us (a 3rd). Glad JJ stuck to his cards so far.

Yeah, in retrospect I'm so glad a deal didn't go through. After seeing his how he has performed in the short time camp has been going, he appears to have a high ceiling.

 

[CWR]

...and ET still isn't a Cowboy. Not going to happen. (blue in the face)

So we still have your 100% (platinum) guarantee hes not coming?

 

[JoeKing]

So we still have your 100% (platinum) guarantee hes not coming?

...as if I seen it in a crystal ball. Ain't going to happen for this season. But once he's a free agent, he can't get to Frisco fast enough.

 

[lostar2009]

Yeah, in retrospect I'm so glad a deal didn't go through. After seeing his how he has performed in the short time camp has been going, he appears to have a high ceiling.

Yup, but now I'm okay with a 4th or 5th next year. At this point we can ride the season and get him next year. Seattle was delusional thinking they would get a high pick for him.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Let's offer that and see what there thinking is!

We don't know, they may have already done that, might even offered a third rounder.

But the money is likely a sticking point, Dak and Zeke both come out of their rookie contracts after the 2019 season, Thomas won't take a 2 year deal probably, Cowboys in the last few years have done better with the cap, don't know that they will have the money to pay Thomas what he wants, then be able to turn around in 2 years and pay Dak, Zeke, M. Collins (if he pans out, they seem to like him) and others. Woods and Awuzie are in the fold for 4 years, but then again if a guy is good, teams want to sign them to a long term deal before they get to be annually in the Pro Bowl and command an even higher price than just a good solid player.

Of course I'm on record as saying I don't want Thomas for anything higher than a 4th, and even at that the money has to be doable...

 

[LACowboysFan1]

...as if I seen it in a crystal ball. Ain't going to happen for this season. But once he's a free agent, he can't get to Frisco fast enough.

By then he'll be another year older, and I doubt, unless Woods, et al just totally flop, they would want him then....

 

[JoeKing]

By then he'll be another year older, and I doubt, unless Woods, et al just totally flop, they would want him then....

This magical timeframe of this season with ET joining the Cowboys is an illusion in a lot of fan's heads. If the Cowboys can't use him in a year, they can't use him now either. He would be a progress stopper to either Woods or Heath by joining now. So maybe you are a bit right... next year he won't be a Cowboy then either. I just know he's not in the Cowboys plans right now until they have given Woods a chance to prove himself. Coach Richard's pet cat is X. Woods so don't think he's giving up on him until he absolutely has to. Remember, Richard is already very familiar with ET so there is a reason the Cowboys aren't going after him.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

This magical timeframe of this season with ET joining the Cowboys is an illusion in a lot of fans heads. If the Cowboys can't use him in a year, they can't use him now either. He would be a progress stopper to either Woods or Heath by joining now. So maybe you are a bit right... next year he won't be a Cowboy then either. I just know he's not in the Cowboys plans right now until they have given Woods a chance to prove himself. Coach Richard's pet cat is X. Woods so don't think he's giving up on him until he absolutley has too. Remember, Richard is already very familiar with ET so there is a reason the Cowboys aren't going after him.

Agreed, just a matter of if they will give Woods just this year or longer, I don't see them dumping him after this year even if he doesn't progress much at all.

Of course a couple of DB injuries could change that I guess...

 

[tomsanders921]

This magical timeframe of this season with ET joining the Cowboys is an illusion in a lot of fan's heads. If the Cowboys can't use him in a year, they can't use him now either. He would be a progress stopper to either Woods or Heath by joining now. So maybe you are a bit right... next year he won't be a Cowboy then either. I just know he's not in the Cowboys plans right now until they have given Woods a chance to prove himself. Coach Richard's pet cat is X. Woods so don't think he's giving up on him until he absolutely has to. Remember, Richard is already very familiar with ET so there is a reason the Cowboys aren't going after him.

I agree with what Nick eatman said on the break. Dallas would give up a second today if they were able to talk with Earl and see what he wants in a new contract. If he is asking for an absurd contract, we would basically give up a second for one year of a player. They are not allowed to talk with him and his agent unless the Seahawks grant them permission.

And I dont agree with the progress stopper comment. That should only apply if you are replacing them with an adequate player, not a perennial all pro.

 

[JoeKing]

Agreed, just a matter of if they will give Woods just this year or longer, I don't see them dumping him after this year even if he doesn't progress much at all.

Of course a couple of DB injuries could change that I guess...

Agreed... injuries always change things.

 

[TexasHillbilly]

Yup, but now I'm okay with a 4th or 5th next year. At this point we can ride the season and get him next year. Seattle was delusional thinking they would get a high pick for him.

It also might depend on who goes down during TC and preseason. Time is running out. Oops. Just realized I repeated what had already been said. I have got to go see a doctor about that. I'm like the kid in the show "The Middle" that says everything twice.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

I agree with what Nick eatman said on the break. Dallas would give up a second today if they were able to talk with Earl and see what he wants in a new contract. If he is asking for an absurd contract, we would basically give up a second for one year of a player. They are not allowed to talk with him and his agent unless the Seahawks grant them permission.

And I dont agree with the progress stopper comment. That should only apply if you are replacing them with an adequate player, not a perennial all pro.

I don't think they would give up a second, nobody knows of course, but given previous comments about "we like our players" from Stephen and the poor showing by a lot of the free agent pickups they've done in the last few years, just don't think so. You may be right of course, but Eatman, et al are wrong about as much as they are right

Don't know what your definition of progress stopper is, but I think most people use the phrase in the sense of the young guy won't see the field much because the free agent, being better (at least at the time he's picked up), more experienced and on a bigger contract would play a lot. It has nothing to do imho with stopping the progress of the team, rather stopping the progress of the young guy at the same position since the young guy wouldn't get the game experience he would have had the free agent not arrived...

 

[JoeKing]

I agree with what Nick eatman said on the break. Dallas would give up a second today if they were able to talk with Earl and see what he wants in a new contract. If he is asking for an absurd contract, we would basically give up a second for one year of a player. They are not allowed to talk with him and his agent unless the Seahawks grant them permission.

And I dont agree with the progress stopper comment. That should only apply if you are replacing them with an adequate player, not a perennial all pro.

If ET joined the team, there would not be enough playing time for them to all progress which is the very definition of a "progress stopper". Frazier is back now too so who losses practice time?

 

[OmerV]

I agree with what Nick eatman said on the break. Dallas would give up a second today if they were able to talk with Earl and see what he wants in a new contract. If he is asking for an absurd contract, we would basically give up a second for one year of a player. They are not allowed to talk with him and his agent unless the Seahawks grant them permission.

And I dont agree with the progress stopper comment. That should only apply if you are replacing them with an adequate player, not a perennial all pro.

If the Cowboys were willing to give Seattle a 2nd rounder with no guarantee of having ET longer than 1 year the deal would already be done. There is no chance the Cowboys would give up a 2nd round pick unless they were certain they would have ET on a longer contract under terms they could live with. I think there are serious doubts they would give up a second even then.

If ET joined the team, there would not be enough playing time for them to all progress which is the very definition of a "progress stopper". Frazier is back now too so who losses practice time?

This applies any time a high quality free agent is signed, but ultimately a team has to weigh all the factors and decide if it is worth it.

 

[Stash]

I agree with what Nick eatman said on the break. Dallas would give up a second today if they were able to talk with Earl and see what he wants in a new contract. If he is asking for an absurd contract, we would basically give up a second for one year of a player. They are not allowed to talk with him and his agent unless the Seahawks grant them permission.

And I dont agree with the progress stopper comment. That should only apply if you are replacing them with an adequate player, not a perennial all pro.

I don't think that there's a chance of a separation between a contract extension and a draft pick. In other words, if the Cowboys are trading for Earl Thomas, they are doing so with an agreement on a contract extension already done.

The player is holding out in Seattle because he wants a contract extension. He's not suddenly going to change his position on that because the location of the new team that won't pay him has changed. And the Cowboys wouldn't give up such a draft pick to inherit the Seahawks headache/holdout for one season.

I think they're irrevocably connected. Trade and contract extension.