Early wide receiver unit rankings - Cowboys at 5

[Aerolithe_Lion]

You cant put Ridley back into elite category like that. He HAS to prove it.

I didn’t put him in the elite category, I compared him to Lamb

 

[GMO415]

Looks fair.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

You know they've played the same number of games right? easier metric to use. Also year plus away from the game coupled w/ mental health issues. Dunno

Well it’s not as straight forward as that. Different players develop at different speeds.

If you look at total games player over first 3-4 years, Dak has way better stats than Jalen. But Dak was never a near MVP. So is Jalen’s skill at the QB position today more closely reflected in what he was in 2022, or an average of his first 3 years? Calvin wasn’t as good his rookie and second year, but progressed a lot up to his third.

 

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Well it’s not as straight forward as that. Different players develop at different speeds.

If you look at total games player over first 3-4 years, Dak has way better stats than Jalen. But Dak was never a near MVP. So is Jalen’s skill at the QB position today more closely reflected in what he was in 2022, or an average of his first 3 years? Calvin wasn’t as good his rookie and second year, but progressed a lot up to his third.

not really agreeing with any of your logic here. mvp is an arbitrary distinction year to year. and yes jalens skill is reflected best over the summary of his career vs the (so far) outlier single season

and i find it odd you’ll just throw out the rest of ridley’s career and compounding issues to highlight a single season that’s practically the same as ceedees. not to mention doug isn’t any more accomplished than mccarthy.

but yeah, cowboys corps is better than the jags

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Why?

Why do our own fans always think we are too high on lists, and need to always be further down.

I am surprised but I’ll will take it. Not that it means a whole lot. But is is a nice change.

Excuses for when Dak sucks it up.

 

[KingCorcoran]

not really agreeing with any of your logic here. mvp is an arbitrary distinction year to year. and yes jalens skill is reflected best over the summary of his career vs the (so far) outlier single season

and i find it odd you’ll just throw out the rest of ridley’s career and compounding issues to highlight a single season that’s practically the same as ceedees. not to mention doug isn’t any more accomplished than mccarthy.

but yeah, cowboys corps is better than the jags

McCarthy won a Super Bowl with Aaron Rodgers. Pederson wins one, more recently, with Wentz/Foles. Yes. Very similar accomplishment.

 

[CouchCoach]

Is Mike Clay one of the top 5 writers covering the NFL?

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

You could have said the same thing with AJ brown last year going to a team with Watkins, DeVonta, Goedert, Miles. One of the best run games in football. 1500 yards later…

Great Players are worth throwing to

This dude acting like Watkins is anything but a jag

 

[jazzcat22]

Excuses for when Dak sucks it up.

Possibly

 

[CowboyRoy]

I didn’t put him in the elite category, I compared him to Lamb

I loved the guy. But hes been out of the NFL for two years and some of that was of his own doing. So how good will he be when he comes back?

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

not really agreeing with any of your logic here. mvp is an arbitrary distinction year to year. and yes jalens skill is reflected best over the summary of his career vs the (so far) outlier single season

and i find it odd you’ll just throw out the rest of ridley’s career and compounding issues to highlight a single season that’s practically the same as ceedees. not to mention doug isn’t any more accomplished than mccarthy.

but yeah, cowboys corps is better than the jags

this is the kind of logic that Dallas used to keep paying players like Zeke as they decline. “It doesn’t matter how he played last year, if you average it out with his early years he’s still putting up pro bowl stats.” Why was Zeke cut if he’s averaging 1200 yards a season and current production is not as relevant as career average?

Just as a player can decline, a player can also improve at great strides. Your most recent production is your most relevant production. Living in the past doesn’t get anyone anywhere

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

This dude acting like Watkins is anything but a jag

JAG in context can be a positive

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

I loved the guy. But hes been out of the NFL for two years and some of that was of his own doing. So how good will he be when he comes back?

We can project based on the player we know he is, but nothing is certain. That’s why it’s good to use words like “could” and “maybe”. How many WRs have been in this specific situation? We can list guys who missed full seasons to injury and came back strong, when he has been perfectly healthy.

 

[CowboyRoy]

We can project based on the player we know he is, but nothing is certain. That’s why it’s good to use words like “could” and “maybe”. How many WRs have been in this specific situation? We can list guys who missed full seasons to injury and came back strong, when he has been perfectly healthy.

Some of it has to do with who the QB is and the rest of the offense. He is certainly coming to the Jags at the right time.

Sleeper fantasy pick. Boom or bust. He could win you the league.

 

[Jake]

5th in the NFL? I'd say more like 5th in the conference.

Gallup doesn't return to form until he returns to form - he didn't last year. We haven't seen Cooks in this offense, either. Tolbert? Having seen anything yet.

They could become top 5, but too many questions at the moment to say only four groups in the entire league are better.

 

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McCarthy won a Super Bowl with Aaron Rodgers. Pederson wins one, more recently, with Wentz/Foles. Yes. Very similar accomplishment.

I said "any more accomplished" so not sure what you're really saying here. Also I'm speaking more to experience developing qb's over their respective careers.

 

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this is the kind of logic that Dallas used to keep paying players like Zeke as they decline. “It doesn’t matter how he played last year, if you average it out with his early years he’s still putting up pro bowl stats.” Why was Zeke cut if he’s averaging 1200 yards a season and current production is not as relevant as career average?

Just as a player can decline, a player can also improve at great strides. Your most recent production is your most relevant production. Living in the past doesn’t get anyone anywhere

You're really grasping at straws here. Zeke as both the point and the counterpoint? WHat? Lol. We're talking about 3 and 4 year sample sizes here where looking at the body of work makes sense. Especially with Ridley who has a bunch of extra question marks and compounding factors.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

You're really grasping at straws here. Zeke as both the point and the counterpoint? WHat? Lol. We're talking about 3 and 4 year sample sizes here where looking at the body of work makes sense. Especially with Ridley who has a bunch of extra question marks and compounding factors.

Zeke is the counterpoint because he doesn’t work as the point.

if a player like Micah or Burrow or Sauce doesn’t have a quality 3 and 4 year sample size, they can’t be considered the real deal? Do you really think that? And What are Ridley’s question marks?

 

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Zeke is the counterpoint because he doesn’t work as the point.

if a player like Micah or Burrow or Sauce doesn’t have a quality 3 and 4 year sample size, they can’t be considered the real deal? Do you really think that? And What are Ridley’s question marks?

Why are you putting words in my mouth? the 3 / 4 year sample size was because that's what we have w/ the specific players we were discussing and is a safer comparison point for THEM (imo)

Ridleys question marks are how the time away will affect his game, and if he's dealt with his mental health issues adequately. He's a hell of a player and I'm not discounting him and would love to have him on my team, but I'm taking lamb every day at this current point.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

I'm taking lamb every day at this current point.

Of course anyone would, but that doesn’t correlate to my original post