Eberflus Staying in Dallas

[MichaelWinicki]

Why is everyone praising him? It's not like he took guys off the street and made them Pro-Bowlers, Carter and Lee were projected top 10 talents before injury.

To a certain extent you're right but there are far more highly talented players that have failed (pretty much from the get go) than what have succeeded.

Obviously the folks drafting him need to be good, but the coaching staff does too.

Roger Staubach/Tony Dorsett were Heisman Trophy winners... Does that mean Tom Landry wasn't a good coach because they should have been good?

Cough *Andre Ware* cough.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Wasn't he under contract until the end of this season?

I believe that's true but as I recall, Jerry gave all of the Defensive Coaches the option to follow Ryan if they wanted to. I could be wrong on that last but seems like I remember that.

In any case, you figure that if Kiffin or Marinelli had not wanted him, he would probably have been bought out. JMO.

 

[FiveRings]

To a certain extent you're right but there are far more highly talented players that have failed (pretty much from the get go) than what have succeeded.

Obviously the folks drafting him need to be good, but the coaching staff does too.

Roger Staubach/Tony Dorsett were Heisman Trophy winners... Does that mean Tom Landry wasn't a good coach because they should have been good?

Cough *Andre Ware* cough.

It sort of does mean that. Landry doesn't get all that much credit for making players better, as a motivator, like Lombardi does. Landry receives his praise for being such a good offensive coach and introducing so many new things to the game.

Not to mention the difference between the position of a head coach versus an individual coach.

 

[Idgit]

I believe that's true but as I recall, Jerry gave all of the Defensive Coaches the option to follow Ryan if they wanted to. I could be wrong on that last but seems like I remember that.

In any case, you figure that if Kiffin or Marinelli had not wanted him, he would probably have been bought out. JMO.

I thought we released the coaches we were going to release and then had the new regime interview the ones we thought we'd most-likely keep before turning them loose (which only makes sense, given we had them contracted), but I could be wrong. I guess we'll see next year if Eberflus stays, and if Ryan keeps his job in NO.

 

[CooterBrown]

If Carter and Lee stay healthy and this defense plays as we expect, Eberflus will be DC next season.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If Carter and Lee stay healthy and this defense plays as we expect, Eberflus will be DC next season.

I suspect it might be Marinelli before Eberflus if both are still in Dallas but I could see that happening in a few years with us or with another team.

 

[OhSnap]

He's prolly still pissed about those 3 man rushes on 3rd and long. I think Ryan will eventually refine his defense and have some good teams but theres some fundamental problems with what he does now.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

It sort of does mean that. Landry doesn't get all that much credit for making players better, as a motivator, like Lombardi does. Landry receives his praise for being such a good offensive coach and introducing so many new things to the game.

Not to mention the difference between the position of a head coach versus an individual coach.

I think you've way undersold Tom Landry.

 

[Hostile]

I think you've way undersold Tom Landry.

Quite a bit in fact. No one saw what Tom Landry did in Chuck Howley. He had been considered a bust for the Bears. Was completely out of football in 1960.

Rayfield Wright was drafted as a TE. Landry saw him as an OT.

Mark Tuinei was a DT at Hawaii. Landry moved him to OT.

Landry saw Todd Christianson as a TE. He didn't and wanted to stay at FB. Al Davis agreed with Landry and Christianson became a great TE.

Drew Pearson was a QB at Tulsa his first 2 seasons. In fact he replaced Joe Theisman as QB of his HS team. Though undrafted Landry saw something in him immediately.

In addition to inventing the Flex Defense it was Landry who resurrected the shotgun formation from the archives of Red Hickey and made it the most efficient 3rd down tool in the NFL. He saw in Bob Hayes a way to spread defenses so thin his teams could practically score at will. It forced other teams to create Zone Defenses to stop Landry's schemes.

Every Hall of Famer of the Landry era does credit him with making them better. Bob Lilly, Roger Staubach, Mel Renfro, Rayfield Wright, Bob Hayes, Tony Dorsett, Randy White, and even Lance Alworth, Forrest Gregg, and Herb Adderly, who were famed in other arenas credit him with teachign them things they did not know and two of those guys played for Lombardi, one for Al Davis. Not to mention a guy like Mike Ditka who played under Papa Bear George Halas but coached under Landry as soon as he retired.

Landry's coaching tree is as impressive as any out there. In addition to Ditka, Dick Nolan, Dan Reeves, Raymond Berry, Forrest Gregg, Gene Stallings. Each will tell you Landry's influence on them was huge.

Bill Parcells has admitted that many of his coaching philosophies came from studying Landry. Bill Belichick routinely asks former Landry players for insights into the man.

 

[ware1manarmy]

Quite a bit in fact. No one saw what Tom Landry did in Chuck Howley. He had been considered a bust for the Bears.

In addition to inventing the Flex Defense it was Landry who resurrected the shotgun formation from the archives of Red Hickey and made it the most efficient 3rd down tool in the NFL. He saw in Bob Hayes a way to spread defenses so thin his teams could practically score at will. It forced other teams to create Zone Defenses to stop Landry

I find it kinda funny that this post ended the conversation. Good post Hos

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I wonder why he didn't leave with his boy.

Lots of reasons that I don't think have to do with Rob.

If you follow a D-Coordinator everywhere he goes, you end up getting pigeon holed. And by working for a different D-Coordinator it allows him to network better and get to know more, different coaches.

We also don't know if he would end up taking a pay cut (likely in going to New Orleans) and how he would feel about uprooting his family, again. It's pretty much a no brainer as to why he stayed.




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[Alexander]

Wasn't he under contract until the end of this season?

He was still under contract, I believe. They would have had to let him go in order for him to follow Ryan.

 

[AbeBeta]

I suspect it might be Marinelli before Eberflus if both are still in Dallas but I could see that happening in a few years with us or with another team.

Marinelli would be the DC if Kiffin hung it up - he's only had that title in Chicago but is clearly qualified to run a D. Who knows, if Marinelli does really well here he might end up getting another shot at being a head coach. By staying here, Eberflus is bolstering his resume for a run at a DC job elsewhere.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Marinelli would be the DC if Kiffin hung it up - he's only had that title in Chicago but is clearly qualified to run a D. Who knows, if Marinelli does really well here he might end up getting another shot at being a head coach. By staying here, Eberflus is bolstering his resume for a run at a DC job elsewhere.

As I said earlier, either one of those two things might happen. On the other hand, if Garrett falls short, Marinelli could get a shot at HC and Eberflus could get a shot at DC. Anything could happen but I expect both to get opportunities to advance their respective careers in the near future, be it here or with another Franchise.

 

[Hostile]

He was still under contract, I believe. They would have had to let him go in order for him to follow Ryan.

He was under contract, but he did not want to leave either. He's enjoying coaching Lee and Carter. He said this in the DC.com interview where all the coaches got to finally speak.

 

[Doomsday101]

Why is everyone praising him? It's not like he took guys off the street and made them Pro-Bowlers, Carter and Lee were projected top 10 talents before injury.

Because projected players still need to be brought in and taught and coached. Lot of so called projected player end up as bust.

 

[AbeBeta]

As I said earlier, either one of those two things might happen. On the other hand, if Garrett falls short, Marinelli could get a shot at HC and Eberflus could get a shot at DC. Anything could happen but I expect both to get opportunities to advance their respective careers in the near future, be it here or with another Franchise.

If Garrett falls short, Jerry is going all out to hire a big name. He's not going to excite anyone with Marinelli as HC. That's the kind of tripe a small market team with low expectations might try.

And, no, I don't believe no matter what that Garrett is a mid-season firing.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If Garrett falls short, Jerry is going all out to hire a big name. He's not going to excite anyone with Marinelli as HC. That's the kind of tripe a small market team with low expectations might try.

And, no, I don't believe no matter what that Garrett is a mid-season firing.

This your opinion. I can respect that but non of us really know for sure what would happen in that situation. As for Marinelli, who's to say that he is not or would not be a Big Name at that time?

 

[jterrell]

I wonder why he didn't leave with his boy.

umm, probably because he was under contract?

 

[AbeBeta]

This your opinion. I can respect that but non of us really know for sure what would happen in that situation. As for Marinelli, who's to say that he is not or would not be a Big Name at that time?

We do know that Jerry is reluctant to replace guys mid-season. It never would have happened with Wade if his successor wasn't on the staff. I can't see him going with an interim coach and I don't see anyone on the staff that looks like a long term solution at HC. Marinelli a "big name?" He's got a deep hole to dig out of for that - see Lions, Detroit (also listed under worst team ever)