Eddie George on Zeke's frustrations

[mattjames2010]

Who cares? Zeke was one of the big reasons we lost to Seattle. And if he leaves, he leaves - he should be on the trade block anyways.

He's an RB, not a QB. Bye.

 

[mattjames2010]

Some of you are simply wrong.

Zeke is "producing" better than all but literally ONE Hall-of-Fame back in NFL history (Dickerson) to this point in their careers; Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, LaDainian Tomlinson, Adrian Peterson, Marshall Faulk, OJ Simpson, Tony Dorsett, Earl Campbell, Walter Payton, Marcus Allen, Gayle Sayers, Jerome Bettis, Bo Jackson, and even freaking Jim Brown --none of them have rushed for as many yards through the first 29 games of their career as Ezekiel Elliott has. Period.

He is second all-time, in all NFL history, to only Eric Dickerson (who had the greatest single-season rushing performance in just his second year)...

You're wrong. Whomever else agrees with you is wrong.

You are factually, empirically, statistically wrong.

Zeke is out-producing all but one back in NFL history to this point in his career, yet it's somehow "not enough" to warrant his draft-pick. He's performing better than virtually every Hall-of-Fame running back who has ever played (all but one to this point), yet you claim he's not living up to his draft-position??

You. Are. WRONG.

This is not a debate; this is one person being wrong regarding a subjective analysis that ignores the hard, cold facts of the situation --but refusing to see the error of their clearly faulty, uninformed perspective.

Let's be clear again: Zeke has had the most productive beginning to a running back's career than literally every Hall-of-Fame running back who has EVER played this game, save Eric Dickerson, full-stop.

This notion you're peddling that he hasn't been productive enough is not supported by the rather obvious reality of the situation.


Cheers!

Now compare him to all-purpose yards throughout history and see where he grades out.

This is no longer a rushing league, it's a passing league. Even Adrian Peterson couldn't bring the Vikings a championship.

 

[PoetTree]

Now compare him to all-purpose yards throughout history and see where he grades out.

This is no longer a rushing league, it's a passing league. Even Adrian Peterson couldn't bring the Vikings a championship.

He still grades out second all-time to this point in his career, behind only Eric Dickerson.

 

[mattjames2010]

He still grades out second all-time to this point in his career, behind only Eric Dickerson.

....show me how he compares to RBs that could run and catch the ball. This should be simple - show me only pure runners the past 15-20 years that brought teams a championship.

Simple fact is, Zeke isn't much of a receiver. He'll take a screen to the house every once in a while, like Peterson did, but that's where it ends. Most of his yards are on the ground in a league built around for and around passing/receiving.

We can then go ahead and discuss all the RBs that were able to play behind multiple pro-bowl and first round pick offensive lineman their first few years in the league.

 

[PoetTree]

....show me how he compares to RBs that could run and catch the ball. This should be simple - show me only pure runners the past 15-20 years that brought teams a championship.

Simple fact is, Zeke isn't much of a receiver. He'll take a screen to the house every once in a while, like Peterson did, but that's where it ends. Most of his yards are on the ground in a league built around for and around passing/receiving.

We can then go ahead and discuss all the RBs that were able to play behind multiple pro-bowl and first round pick offensive lineman their first few years in the league.

Read it & awaken:

THROUGH THEIR FIRST 29 REGULAR SEASON GAMES


Eric Dickerson -- 3,451 rush yards; 531 rec. yards; 3,982 total yards; 753 "touches" @ 5.28 Avg.

Ezekiel Elliott -- 3,040 rush yards; 757 rec. yards; 3,797 total yards; 710 "touches" @ 5.34 Avg.

Adrian Peterson -- 2,998 rush yards; 413 rec. yards; 3,411 total yards; 620 "touches" @ 5.50 Avg.

LaDainian Tomlinson -- 2,611 rush yards; 799 rec. yards; 3,410 total yards; 765 "touches" @ 4.45 Avg.

Barry Sanders -- 2,638 rush yards; 747 rec. yards; 3,385 total yards; 548 "touches" @ 6.17 Avg.

Jim Brown -- 3,023 rush yards; 272 rec. yards; 3,295 total yards; 591 "touches" @ 5.57 Avg.

Marshall Faulk -- 2,239 rush yards; 949 rec. yards; 3,188 total yards; 663 "touches" @ 4.80 Avg.

Gayle Sayers -- 2,160 rush yards; 986 rec. yards; 3,146 total yards; 474 "touches" @ 6.63 Avg.

Marcus Allen -- 1,989 rush yards; 1,150 rec. yards; 3,139 total yards; 633 "touches" @ 4.95 Avg.

Earl Campbell -- 2,904 rush yards; 116 rec. yards; 3,020 total yards; 627 "touches" @ 4.81 Avg.

Thurman Thomas -- 2,045 rush yards; 815 rec. yards; 2,860 total yards; 552 "touches" @ 5.18 Avg.

Jerome Bettis -- 2,376 rush yards; 483 rec. yards; 2,859 total yards; 628 "touches" @ 4.55 Avg.

Tony Dorsett -- 2,211 rush yards; 624 rec. yards; 2,835 total yards; 530 "touches" @ 5.34 Avg.

Emmitt Smith -- 2,153 rush yards; 464 rec. yards; 2,617 total yards; 592 "touches" @ 4.42 Avg.

Walter Payton -- 2,135 rush yards; 376 rec. yards; 2,511 total yards; 593 "touches" @ 4.23 Avg.

Bo Jackson -- 2,137 rush yards; 284 rec. yards; 2,421 total yards; 561 "touches" @ 4.31 Avg.


Okay, so, some perspective:

On this list of Legends & Hall-of-Famers, Ezekiel Elliott has produced more total yardage than everyone not named Eric Dickerson. Likewise, only Dickerson has more pure rushing yards than Zeke. As underused as he's been as a pass-catcher, his receiving production is behind only LaDainian Tomlinson, Thurman Thomas, Marshall Faulk, Gayle Sayers, and Marcus Allen --perhaps the 5 greatest receiving halfbacks of all-time. And his robust 5.34 yards-gained per-touch is topped by just Adrian Peterson, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, and Gayle Sayers!

Only Eric Dickerson, Ezekiel Elliott, and Jim Brown have eclipsed 3,000+ yards rushing in their first 29 games.

In NFL history. Period. By anyone else who's ever played.

 

[charron]

Who cares? Zeke was one of the big reasons we lost to Seattle. And if he leaves, he leaves - he should be on the trade block anyways.

He's an RB, not a QB. Bye.

There are no perfect players, none. To blame the only offensive player that kept us in that game and all of the ones he's played is rediculous.

 

[mattjames2010]

Read it & awaken:

THROUGH THEIR FIRST 29 REGULAR SEASON GAMES


Eric Dickerson -- 3,451 rush yards; 531 rec. yards; 3,982 total yards; 753 "touches" @ 5.28 Avg.

Ezekiel Elliott -- 3,040 rush yards; 757 rec. yards; 3,797 total yards; 710 "touches" @ 5.34 Avg.

Adrian Peterson -- 2,998 rush yards; 413 rec. yards; 3,411 total yards; 620 "touches" @ 5.50 Avg.

LaDainian Tomlinson -- 2,611 rush yards; 799 rec. yards; 3,410 total yards; 765 "touches" @ 4.45 Avg.

Barry Sanders -- 2,638 rush yards; 747 rec. yards; 3,385 total yards; 548 "touches" @ 6.17 Avg.

Jim Brown -- 3,023 rush yards; 272 rec. yards; 3,295 total yards; 591 "touches" @ 5.57 Avg.

Marshall Faulk -- 2,239 rush yards; 949 rec. yards; 3,188 total yards; 663 "touches" @ 4.80 Avg.

Gayle Sayers -- 2,160 rush yards; 986 rec. yards; 3,146 total yards; 474 "touches" @ 6.63 Avg.

Marcus Allen -- 1,989 rush yards; 1,150 rec. yards; 3,139 total yards; 633 "touches" @ 4.95 Avg.

Earl Campbell -- 2,904 rush yards; 116 rec. yards; 3,020 total yards; 627 "touches" @ 4.81 Avg.

Thurman Thomas -- 2,045 rush yards; 815 rec. yards; 2,860 total yards; 552 "touches" @ 5.18 Avg.

Jerome Bettis -- 2,376 rush yards; 483 rec. yards; 2,859 total yards; 628 "touches" @ 4.55 Avg.

Tony Dorsett -- 2,211 rush yards; 624 rec. yards; 2,835 total yards; 530 "touches" @ 5.34 Avg.

Emmitt Smith -- 2,153 rush yards; 464 rec. yards; 2,617 total yards; 592 "touches" @ 4.42 Avg.

Walter Payton -- 2,135 rush yards; 376 rec. yards; 2,511 total yards; 593 "touches" @ 4.23 Avg.

Bo Jackson -- 2,137 rush yards; 284 rec. yards; 2,421 total yards; 561 "touches" @ 4.31 Avg.


Okay, so, some perspective:

On this list of Legends & Hall-of-Famers, Ezekiel Elliott has produced more total yardage than everyone not named Eric Dickerson. Likewise, only Dickerson has more pure rushing yards than Zeke. As underused as he's been as a pass-catcher, his receiving production is behind only LaDainian Tomlinson, Thurman Thomas, Marshall Faulk, Gayle Sayers, and Marcus Allen --perhaps the 5 greatest receiving halfbacks of all-time. And his robust 5.34 yards-gained per-touch is topped by just Adrian Peterson, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, and Gayle Sayers!

Only Eric Dickerson, Ezekiel Elliott, and Jim Brown have eclipsed 3,000+ yards rushing in their first 29 games.

In NFL history. Period. By anyone else who's ever played.

LOL so on that list, in the past 15 years, there is Tomlinson and Peterson.

....how many rings do they have?

And there is no "perspective" until you're able to provide us the type of lines each and every one of them ran behind.

If anything, all this list shows is in this era, a "stud RB" doesn't get you a trophy. RBs are overrated - trade his ***.

 

[mattjames2010]

There are no perfect players, none. To blame the only offensive player that kept us in that game and all of the ones he's played is rediculous.

> kept us in that game
> Cost us 7 points and turned the ball over

He was as much of a reason we never took the lead in that game than he was for keeping us in the game. He himself thought it was his worst game.

 

[PoetTree]

LOL so on that list, in the past 15 years, there is Tomlinson and Peterson.

....how many rings do they have?

And there is no "perspective" until you're able to provide us the type of lines each and every one of them ran behind.

If anything, all this list shows is in this era, a "stud RB" doesn't get you a trophy. RBs are overrated - trade his ***.

You're moving the goalpost to cover for your defeated argument.

The discussion being had here was whether or not Zeke had "produced" enough to justify his #4 overall selection in the draft. He clearly has. Only one running back in NFL history produced more to this same career-point than Zeke has. So if the question is: has Zeke, as a running back, produced enough to warrant his draft-position? --the answer is an unequivocal, unavoidable "YES!"

Your argument is now about whether a running back is worth the #4 overall pick or the value of a great back in bringing his team a championship, which is an obvious red-herring to the discussion about whether Zeke has been "productive" enough to warrant his draft-pick.

Maybe you preferred Jaylen Ramsey.

It doesn't change the fact that those suggesting Zeke hasn't been productive enough are simply, categorically, historically wrong in that erroneous opinion.

Zeke has been more productive to this point in his career than literally only one other Hall-of-Fame running back in NFL history. Period.

If you're the organization who selects a running back #4 overall, that's what you want & that's what you choose, it's hard to ask more from your draft-pick than Zeke has given the Cowboys so far. Only one man in the entire history of this game has produced more.

Your argument is void.

 

[Thomas82]

Read it & awaken:

THROUGH THEIR FIRST 29 REGULAR SEASON GAMES


Eric Dickerson -- 3,451 rush yards; 531 rec. yards; 3,982 total yards; 753 "touches" @ 5.28 Avg.

Ezekiel Elliott -- 3,040 rush yards; 757 rec. yards; 3,797 total yards; 710 "touches" @ 5.34 Avg.

Adrian Peterson -- 2,998 rush yards; 413 rec. yards; 3,411 total yards; 620 "touches" @ 5.50 Avg.

LaDainian Tomlinson -- 2,611 rush yards; 799 rec. yards; 3,410 total yards; 765 "touches" @ 4.45 Avg.

Barry Sanders -- 2,638 rush yards; 747 rec. yards; 3,385 total yards; 548 "touches" @ 6.17 Avg.

Jim Brown -- 3,023 rush yards; 272 rec. yards; 3,295 total yards; 591 "touches" @ 5.57 Avg.

Marshall Faulk -- 2,239 rush yards; 949 rec. yards; 3,188 total yards; 663 "touches" @ 4.80 Avg.

Gayle Sayers -- 2,160 rush yards; 986 rec. yards; 3,146 total yards; 474 "touches" @ 6.63 Avg.

Marcus Allen -- 1,989 rush yards; 1,150 rec. yards; 3,139 total yards; 633 "touches" @ 4.95 Avg.

Earl Campbell -- 2,904 rush yards; 116 rec. yards; 3,020 total yards; 627 "touches" @ 4.81 Avg.

Thurman Thomas -- 2,045 rush yards; 815 rec. yards; 2,860 total yards; 552 "touches" @ 5.18 Avg.

Jerome Bettis -- 2,376 rush yards; 483 rec. yards; 2,859 total yards; 628 "touches" @ 4.55 Avg.

Tony Dorsett -- 2,211 rush yards; 624 rec. yards; 2,835 total yards; 530 "touches" @ 5.34 Avg.

Emmitt Smith -- 2,153 rush yards; 464 rec. yards; 2,617 total yards; 592 "touches" @ 4.42 Avg.

Walter Payton -- 2,135 rush yards; 376 rec. yards; 2,511 total yards; 593 "touches" @ 4.23 Avg.

Bo Jackson -- 2,137 rush yards; 284 rec. yards; 2,421 total yards; 561 "touches" @ 4.31 Avg.


Okay, so, some perspective:

On this list of Legends & Hall-of-Famers, Ezekiel Elliott has produced more total yardage than everyone not named Eric Dickerson. Likewise, only Dickerson has more pure rushing yards than Zeke. As underused as he's been as a pass-catcher, his receiving production is behind only LaDainian Tomlinson, Thurman Thomas, Marshall Faulk, Gayle Sayers, and Marcus Allen --perhaps the 5 greatest receiving halfbacks of all-time. And his robust 5.34 yards-gained per-touch is topped by just Adrian Peterson, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, and Gayle Sayers!

Only Eric Dickerson, Ezekiel Elliott, and Jim Brown have eclipsed 3,000+ yards rushing in their first 29 games.

In NFL history. Period. By anyone else who's ever played.

Excellent post!! Keep up the good work.

 

[charron]

> kept us in that game
> Cost us 7 points and turned the ball over

He was as much of a reason we never took the lead in that game than he was for keeping us in the game. He himself thought it was his worst game.

Not suggesting his mistakes weren't huge. Just saying he is also the only reason we had a little hope of winning and he did more good than bad. The mentality that if he isn't perfect it's his fault is dumb.

 

[mattjames2010]

You're moving the goalpost to cover for your defeated argument.

The discussion being had here was whether or not Zeke had "produced" enough to justify his #4 overall selection in the draft. He clearly has. Only one running back in NFL history produced more to this same career-point than Zeke has. So if the question is: has Zeke, as a running back, produced enough to warrant his draft-position? --the answer is an unequivocal, unavoidable "YES!"

Your argument is now about whether a running back is worth the #4 overall pick or the value of a great back in bringing his team a championship, which is an obvious red-herring to the discussion about whether Zeke has been "productive" enough to warrant his draft-pick.

Maybe you preferred Jaylen Ramsey.

It doesn't change the fact that those suggesting Zeke hasn't been productive enough are simply, categorically, historically wrong in that erroneous opinion.

Zeke has been more productive to this point in his career than literally only one other Hall-of-Fame running back in NFL history. Period.

If you're the organization who selects a running back #4 overall, that's what you want & that's what you choose, it's hard to ask more from your draft-pick than Zeke has given the Cowboys so far. Only one man in the entire history of this game has produced more.

Your argument is void.

My argument HAS ALWAYS been that an RB is not worth a top 5 pick....

Go look at my posts - I did ask you to post his overall yards - but I will say this, nearly 200 of his receiving yards came on two receptions. This is not the same as someone like Faulk who would have 50-60 receptions a year or Tomlinson who would average 50-60 as well. So he is a pure runner in a league that is built around passing.

Zeke isn't worth a top 5 pick....because of the position alone. Again, I will ask you - show me an RB the past 15 years that carried a team to a championship. Show me one that completely changed the way a team played and got them a ring without having a top 5 defense or iconic defense on the other side.

Zeke is not a dynamic running and receiving back - he's a pure runner who may take a screen to the house. The RBs he compares greatly to are RBs from decades ago or Peterson who couldn't get his team to the Super Bowl.

And a top 5-10 pick should be franchise changing. Zeke is not this, he's not valuable enough to this team, he's not winning us games (he helped lose us one this year) - it's nature of the RB position.

Also, just to refer back to my post because you attempted to claim I didn't mention championships....

> This is no longer a rushing league, it's a passing league. Even Adrian Peterson couldn't bring the Vikings a championship.

Don't you dare attempt to state I moved the goal posts, reading is fundamental. I'll call you out every time if you miss.

 

[mattjames2010]

Not suggesting his mistakes weren't huge. Just saying he is also the only reason we had a little hope of winning and he did more good than bad. The mentality that if he isn't perfect it's his fault is dumb.

LOL no he did not. His biggest run of that game ended with a fumble....

He was the biggest reason momentum shifted twice in favor of the Seahawks. No one is saying he's THE ONLY reason we lost that game, we are saying (Zeke himself stated this) he was one of the bigger reasons we lost.

 

[mattjames2010]

Actually, until someone can bring me the number of "top 5 RBs" that have won championships for their teams the past 15 years, this conversation is worthless.