Edelman: Dez is not a top 5 receiver

[Kevinicus]

You have already stated there is a lack of evidence. So, everything you are now saying, it's completely and utterly pointless.

OBJ is NOT a better player than Bryant, Green, Johnson, and Brown until he PROVES IT. Key word: Proves. One year DOES NOT prove anything. Are we finished now?

You just don't understand. This logic riddle is over your head.

 

[texbumthelife]

Lee is widely considered one of the best linebackers in Cowboys history. He's certainly in the discussion.

If this is such a widely thought opinion, surely you can come up with some evidence, because I have never heard that said. He has the potential to be if healthy, that's about it

 

[TheFinisher]

I would have said he had a great season. But better than other established WRs? No. You have to consistently establish yourself to be a top 5 WR.

Why do your need to consistently establish yourself? Past has nothing to do with the now. If you're clearly one of the best at that point in time, like Moss (and Beckham) was, then you're one of the best.

That's like arguing you would pay a player based on his previous accomplishments rather than what he's doing now and moving forward. And we all know that's a terrible way for a FO to operate.

 

[texbumthelife]

Why do your need to consistently establish yourself? Past has nothing to do with the now. If you're clearly one of the best at that point in time, like Moss (and Beckham) was, then you're one of the best.

That's like arguing you would pay a player based on his previous accomplishments rather than what he's doing now and moving forward. And we all know that's a terrible way for a FO to operate.

Did you just completely contradict yourself in the same post?

First you say one season is all a player needs. Then you say previous seasons don't mean anything going forward.

 

[mattjames2010]

Why do your need to consistently establish yourself? Past has nothing to do with the now. If you're clearly one of the best at that point in time, like Moss (and Beckham) was, then you're one of the best.

That's like arguing you would pay a player based on his previous accomplishments rather than what he's doing now and moving forward. And we all know that's a terrible way for a FO to operate.

********. The NFL has a history, and this history includes countless players who have had a big year and disappeared after. Players are considered to be the best in the league because of their long history of displaying quality play.

And if one year proved something, OBJ would have been locked up and been paid like a top 3 WR right now. Why wouldn't he? Outside of the obvious he's on a cap friendly rookie contract, because his future is uncertain and he only has one year of quality play.

 

[perrykemp]

Lee is widely considered one of the best linebackers in Cowboys history. He's certainly in the discussion.

I would agree that Sean Lee is one of the most talented linebackers in Cowboys history.

Having said, there is no way that Sean Lee, at least as his career currently stands), ends up anywhere in my Cowboys Top 5 linebackers list. He's never played in a playoff game. He only started 32 out of 64 games through 2014.

If he can somehow stay healthy, I can see him working his way into the Top 5.

 

[Gameover]

Lee is widely considered one of the best linebackers in Cowboys history. He's certainly in the discussion.

stop it! Dat >>>>> Lee
Coakley >>>> Lee

Lee has done diddly poo in his pro career. A flash here and there does not an all time great make.

I said the other guys were overrated, they are really good though and difference makers. Lee's had a few good games.

 

[RunDMC]

If this is such a widely thought opinion, surely you can come up with some evidence, because I have never heard that said. He has the potential to be if healthy, that's about it

All you to do is watch the games. Lee is one of the best linebackers in the league. No he hasn't been healthy, but i don't think you can hold it against him. There's plenty of instances where players are considered great and were injury prone. Not just in football, but in other sports.

 

[perrykemp]

I'll be honest, I think that is absolutely a purposeful slight from Edelman. That guy has one of the biggest mouths and most arrogant attitudes in sports.

What do you think his beef with Dez is?

He could be that he just forgot about Dez due to injury. This was a Reddit AMA anyhow -- people are firing questions left and right and he is answering them.

Yes, I know Nelson is injured also, however, you have to wonder if guys like Edelman look up to Nelson a bit and therefore Nelson is top of mind. Let's be honest here, Nelson is the least "possession-like" white WR the league has seen in 20-30 years.

 

[RunDMC]

Why do your need to consistently establish yourself? Past has nothing to do with the now. If you're clearly one of the best at that point in time, like Moss (and Beckham) was, then you're one of the best.

That's like arguing you would pay a player based on his previous accomplishments rather than what he's doing now and moving forward. And we all know that's a terrible way for a FO to operate.

Yeah it would be so smart to give a guy max money after one season is elite production. If you think a guy is elite after one season you have a terrible definition of what elite truly is.

 

[Risen Star]

Edleman was simply giving his opinion. No need to get all bent out of shape over this, and no need to imply that Edelman was taking an intentional shot at Dez.

Putting Steve friggin Smith over Dez Bryant is worthy of ridicule.

 

[perrykemp]

Yeah it would be so smart to give a guy max money after one season is elite production. If you think a guy is elite after one season you have a terrible definition of what elite truly is.

Guys, you are getting into a very semantical argument here around the word 'elite', a word which consumes thousands of pages of NFL forum space each year.

My take is this.... it is <possible> for a player to be elite after 1 year because their talent shines so fricking brightly you couldn't help but stare. It's exceedingly rare. I maybe have 3-4 examples of the top my head:

1998 - Moss
1989 - Barry Sanders
1984 - Dickerson
1981 - LT

 

[mattjames2010]

I like Steve Smith and his animated outrage, but he pretty much disappeared in the second half last year.

 

[perrykemp]

Putting Steve friggin Smith over Dez Bryant is worthy of ridicule.

Hard to argue this. The other 4 at least are all reasonably in the top 6-7 WRs in the NFL. Naming Steve Smith in his top 5 was puzzling which I think only solidifies the idea that Edelman didn't put a whole lot of thought into his answer.

 

[knightrider94]

They should have asked him the names of his favorite photographers.

 

[Bigdog]

It is obvious that Edleman's reality is off. Hopefully he comes back to earth before he plays next weekend.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Hard to argue this. The other 4 at least are all reasonably in the top 6-7 WRs in the NFL. Naming Steve Smith in his top 5 was puzzling which I think only solidifies the idea that Edelman didn't put a whole lot of thought into his answer.

Possibly a lifetime achievement award and another similarly-sized hero. At the end of his career, I'm pretty sure younger receivers were still saying Jerry was the best.

 

[perrykemp]

Possibly a lifetime achievement award and another similarly-sized hero. At the end of his career, I'm pretty sure younger receivers were still saying Jerry was the best.

Absolutely.

When Jerry Rice was 40 he still went over 90 catches and 1200 yards for the season.

 

[TheFinisher]

Did you just completely contradict yourself in the same post?

First you say one season is all a player needs. Then you say previous seasons don't mean anything going forward.

Think you missed the point.

 

[TheFinisher]

Bull****. The NFL has a history, and this history includes countless players who have had a big year and disappeared after. Players are considered to be the best in the league because of their long history of displaying quality play.

And if one year proved something, OBJ would have been locked up and been paid like a top 3 WR right now. Why wouldn't he? Outside of the obvious he's on a cap friendly rookie contract, because his future is uncertain and he only has one year of quality play.

Again, you're missing the mark. If you're playing elite football then you're an elite player. If you're not, then you no longer are. What is so hard about this concept?

What you're talking about is more like how they determine HOF status, which is completely different. See Terrell Davis, Sterling Sharpe, Bo Jackson etc