Elam Should Start-RW Is Bledsoe on defense

YoungBuck

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Clove;1147653 said:
If you make Roy a linebacker, then you have to move back to the 4-3, or have him playing in the nickel exclusively.

IF the cowboys were dumb enough to move Roy to LB, they would have to switch back to the 4-3. In the 3-4 the LBs have to fight through blockers and take on OLinemen every play. Roy Williams at 220 going up against guys 100 lbs heavier than him I think is a bit of a disadvantage.
We'd have to move back to the 4-3 where the DLine takes on the blockers and he has more space to move around in.
 

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This whole topic is just ridiculous. Let's interject some stats into this conversation..

INTs:
Roy - 3
Ed Reed- 1
Dawkins- 1
Polamalu- 3

Pass breakups:
Roy- 6
Reed- 1
Dawkins- 2
Polamalu- 6

So by looking at INTs and Pass breakups, Roy is making bigger plays in the secondary than all the usual guys that are said to be better than him in pass defense.

"Roy Williams does not deserve all of the criticism he receives for his poor pass coverage. His Stop Rate of 43% ranked 6th among all safeties involved in at least 40 passing plays. Williams' biggest problem in pass coverage is that he gets little help from Keith Davis" - 2006 Pro Football Prospectus

The Baltimore Ravens' defense is drawing comparisons to the 2000 edition. The comparison is not completely unwarranted.

In 2000, the Ravens gave up 10.3 points per game, compared to 13 this season. They allowed 66 rushing yards per game, with an average of 2.7 yards per carry. This season, the defense is surrendering 60.6 rushing yards per game, and the same yards per carry. Finally, Baltimore averaged 3.2 takeaways per game in 2000, compared to 3.1 in 2006.

However, one area likely to keep this year's unit from equaling the accomplishments of its legendary predecessor is the secondary. Take a look at Baltimore's pass metrics so far (keep in mind that I track throwaway passes in a separate category):

YPA:
short- 5.1
medium- 9.1
deep- 15.9
total- 7.7

To put the deep pass metrics in perspective, the best secondaries will allow around eight yards per deep pass attempt, while the worst will allow over 15 yards. This means the Ravens' deep pass coverage has been among the worst in the NFL in 2006.

Which player is most responsible for this poor performance? I ran the metrics on Chris McAlister, Samari Rolle and Ed Reed to find out.

for the sake of this thread, I'll just post Ed Reed's metrics...

YPA:
short- 7
medium- 8
deep- 19.9
total- 17.1

KC Joyner, aka The Football Scientist, is a regular contributor to ESPN Insider. His latest book, "Scientific Football 2006," is available for order at his Web site, http://thefootballscientist.com. Here's a 37-page sample of the new book.

So just because the grass may look greener on the other side, be happy with what you have. We could be watching Ed Reed get beat every week.
 

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It is hard to believe some of our own fans don't realize how great RW is.

Roy is the envy of all teams in the league, he is a playmaker in the secondary, let some foe rag on him. His defensive stats stand up and blow over anyone in the entire league.

He changes games in our favor all the time. He is the best at his position in the entire league. BAR NONE, the best SS in the league, name one better, heck name any FS or SS, he is the absolute best in the NFL>wakeup. Bill just said today in his PC that RW played the best player in the entire secondary yesterday.

Who would you rather have playing in place of RW?
 

BruceWayne

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I can't believe you guys let this dude work you up over this ludacris thread

:laugh2:
 

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SilverStarCowboy;1147813 said:
..Roy is the envy of all teams in the league...Who would you rather have playing in place of RW?

Roy is a legend is his own mind and a few posters' minds and a few writers minds (Mickey), etc. etc.

I would rather have Elam playing instead of RW.
 

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so you want to bench the safety who leads all safeties in int's and pass breakups. now i get it.
maybe someone should learn that if they where great in pass coverage they would be a cb, not a ss.roy is one of our best playmakers and some here just don't get that
 

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Fernando Fernandez;1147533 said:
Roy stinks.
that guy is overrated on Defesne just like Bledsoe was on Offense.
Bench RW and start--Elam!!
Elam is like Romo.

BOOK IT!

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Imagine the havoc Roy could wreak if just had a somewhat decent pass rush....
 

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conner01;1148072 said:
so you want to bench the safety who leads all safeties in int's and pass breakups. now i get it.
maybe someone should learn that if they where great in pass coverage they would be a cb, not a ss.roy is one of our best playmakers and some here just don't get that

YEP!
just like I wanted to bench future HOF Quarterback "that gives us the best chance to win", Drew Bledsoe.
 

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Seems as if Roy isn't the only one who thinks this way.

Fernando Fernandez;1147955 said:
Roy is a legend is his own mind and a few posters' minds and a few writers minds (Mickey), etc. etc.

I would rather have Elam playing instead of RW.
 
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SMCowboy;1147566 said:
Yeah, lets book the best safety in football.... That is REALLY smart.....

Man stop being a homer here, Roy Williams coverage deficiencies is taking this defense to hell, along with Marcus "Puffy" Coleman and Keith "Can't Get Right" Davis!
 

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ThreeSportStar80;1148185 said:
Man stop being a homer here, Roy Williams coverage deficiencies is taking this defense to hell, along with Marcus "Puffy" Coleman and Keith "Can't Get Right" Davis!

Touche' mon ami!

C'est tujours le meme chose...and I am tired of it!
 

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Fernando Fernandez;1147533 said:
Roy stinks.
that guy is overrated on Defesne just like Bledsoe was on Offense.
Bench RW and start--Elam!!
Elam is like Romo.

BOOK IT!


Mods, can we change this guy's title to Troll? Please? He does nothing but make these type of threads over and over and over again...

Look at all his post everyone has the same tone...



one for the troll. RW is a strong safety not a cover safety. His strength is not coverage...
 

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Nobody is going to argue that Roy makes a lot of plays at SS.
Its the fact he seems to also give up a lot of big plays, or not come in and breakup plays other guys have screwed up that concern me.

Can anyone honestly dispute the two above sentences?

And lets not factor out that if Parcells leaves after this season who ever replaces him could bring back the 4-3.
Jerry let Parcells install the 3-4 but what has it accomplished in two years? Some misleading rankings that don't tell anything about giving up crucial, game losing TDs? Giving up 20+ points in half its games this season?
Roy W at 235-240(he is listed at 229 not 220) could be hands down the best outside linebacker in the league in the 4-3. He is a phenomenal tackler and could cover any RB or TE on the short stuff.
It would play to his strengths instead of exposing his weaknesses as playing SS does.
 

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khiladi;1148091 said:
Imagine the havoc Roy could wreak if just had a somewhat decent pass rush....

hmmmm....pass rush..here are my 3-4 guys...Ratcliff, Fergy, Hatcher.

4-3 guys: Ratliff, Fergy, Hatcher, Ellis
 

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stiletto;1147582 said:
he get's burned in pass coverage more than he does not.

any stats to back that up?

he's one of the very few, the only according to Parcells, catalycitic playmaker we have on D
 
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