Electric cars

[Jammer]

look beyond today. Chargers are going to be more prevalent than gas stations. Chargers are already at restaurants, they are going to be in shopping center parking lots, places of work, all up and down highways, and obviously the place most people will charge, right in your garage. The future is happening right in front of our faces.. most people just dont even see it happening.

One other thing I might add, in the future there may be more chargers than gas stations, but it's because a gas station can fuel a vehicle in minutes compared to an EV which takes significantly longer. You don't have to have as many gas stations as they're more efficient.

 

[rags747]

You can charge them from a standard 110 but at a painfully slow rate equivalent to 4-5 miles per hour from what I understand. A 240 gives you about 30 miles per hour.

And a Tesla home charger gives you 44mph.

 

[rags747]

That f150 lightning is sweet. Go watch youtube videos of the Rivian and see ACTUAL people that have driven them. They make it clear, they are heads and shoulders above any ICE truck they have ever driven.

Cybertruck also coming out 2023, Mad Max baby!

 

[Reid1boys]

reminds me of those people who would never drive (insert car manufacture name) here even if they were giving them away. Only will drive a (insert car manufacturer name here).

I even knew one guy that had a truck that broke down and another friend offered to tow him with his for free and the guy refused because he did not like the brand of truck the other guy had.
So instead he paid for a towing service.

Another example I remember was a guy who said he would never buy CDs when they were starting out.
He would say that the cassette is just as good of sound quality as the CD.
I said unless you have a DAT you are not getting anywhere near the quality of the CD.
Guy would just so stubborn and set in his ways that he refused the idea.

Everyone has a choice and you are entitled to that choice.
But sometimes it is nothing more than...

Biting off their nose to spite their face due to pure stubbornness.

BINGO. Great post. People are so set in their ways, especially in todays climate. I mean, obviously us here at the Zone are far more intelligent than engineers spending years on this technology. All I needed was to drive in my friends Tesla model 3 to be sold. Charging up at home... cant beat it. A Tesla model 3 has a 60KwH battery. Our electricity during non peak months is about 15 cents per KWh which means it would cost under 10 bucks to fully charge the car. Since I have solar...... that cost to me is zip.

Most people drive to and from work for most of their driving. This is pretty simple to me.

 

[Reid1boys]

That's true, the quality was noticeable especially against cassette tapes. It took me a while to switch from cassettes to CD in my car, it wasn't about quality but versatility, had to have my mixtapes....lol CD changers were OK but still pretty limiting, 6 disc changers were OK but still meant you had to travel with a bunch of CD's and never liked the idea of having all those CD's(read $$) sitting in the car. Personal CD recording wasn't available for awhile and when it started showing up, was still pretty pricey.

As it pertains to the original topic, that's what electric cars lack right now, versatility. Electric cars are still too pricey and just just don't fit into everybody's budgets or lifestyles. Not everybody can afford multiple vehicles for different tasks. Many people need to haul things, long distance travel or have convenient access to charging points, not to mention charge times. Right now, it just doesn't make sense for a lot of people. Hybrids may be a good bridge between the two for most people until tech and infrastructure continues to grow.

Not every EV is 70k. Hauling is a problem? The Rivian has an 11k hauling capacity. Charging times on super chargers... which are going up like crazy... 10-20 minutes will suffice in most situations. I currently have multiple vehicles for multiple tasks... using ICE vehicles. Got my suburban for when wife and 4 daughters all go somewhere. Got my truck for when I go to Home depot. Wife has her little convertible for fun.... EVs dont change the fact many of us have multiple cars.

 

[Reid1boys]

My brother has a Tesla electric car. It's really nice. It's really quiet, and has insane acceleration. It does that so well, it would be easy to overdo it. I felt like I was in an F-14 fighter jet because that Tesla's acceleration was pulling so many Gs. I don't remember the exact stats, but it has a range of hundreds of miles and then needs about 2 hours to charge up. With a really good network of charge stations across the country, you could do a cross-country trip in it. I know I can only drive so far before I need to stop and eat and relax.

My brother is also registered to post her at CZ, though he doesn't visit as often as I do. If he happens to see this, he can comment.

Yep, the first time I got in our friends Model 3.. she says are you ready? Ok, hold tight and she punched it. That thing threw me back in my set unlike any car Ive ever been in. the acceleration is faster than any stick car you could buy. watch the Model S plaid smoke 3 million dollar sports cars in the 1/4 mile. Its insane at its' price point.

 

[Reid1boys]

One other thing I might add, in the future there may be more chargers than gas stations, but it's because a gas station can fuel a vehicle in minutes compared to an EV which takes significantly longer. You don't have to have as many gas stations as they're more efficient.

Point was for convenience. You hit the supermarket for 30 minutes.. plug in and charge. You go to a movie, plug in and charge. Get a hair cut.. charge.. they will literally be everywhere. So people whining about , oh my where will I be able to charge, they are so far out in RF it is ridiculous. BUT, as you said previously, 99% of your charging is right at home.

 

[Reid1boys]

Cybertruck also coming out 2023, Mad Max baby!

That cybertruck is damn ugly to me.....lol.

Tesla stock is where Im leaning. My 20 year old just bought 5 shares.

 

[rags747]

I don't know if you guys have heard of Doug DeMuro. He is a YouTube car reviewer. He has reviewed/driven tons of super and hypercars, and his reaction to the Plaid acceleration says it all. I'll time stamp it to the part of that video.

Nothing touches Plaid. You have the 3 Diamond Mitsubishi emblem, why?

 

[Montanalo]

The infra-structure required to support abundant, readily accessible, nation-wide charge stations is staggering.... power generation and, likely, power transmission facilities far beyond current capacity is required.

While I am not opposed to EV (actually think they're quite novel), from an environmental and cost standpoint, we would likely be better off trying to increase the efficiency of the internal combustion engine from the current average of 35-40% to 50-60%.

 

[Roadtrip635]

Not every EV is 70k. Hauling is a problem? The Rivian has an 11k hauling capacity. Charging times on super chargers... which are going up like crazy... 10-20 minutes will suffice in most situations. I currently have multiple vehicles for multiple tasks... using ICE vehicles. Got my suburban for when wife and 4 daughters all go somewhere. Got my truck for when I go to Home depot. Wife has her little convertible for fun.... EVs dont change the fact many of us have multiple cars.

I don't doubt EV trucks would make for good haulers, instant torque, but that range drops dramatically. The point of multiple vehicles wasn't about the people that can own multiple vehicles, but about the ones that can't afford it and an EV isn't practical for them right now. Sounds like you live in Cali, charging points are probably more widespread than other parts of the country. You also own a house so home charging is convenient, it's not so convenient for those living in apartments, where only a small percentage may have charging points.

Reading your other responses, especially about the infrastructure, it's about the future, what will happen but we're not there yet for a large portion of people. EV certainly sounds like the wave of the future, but until it becomes more widespread, cheaper, and convenient, many people won't make the switch.

 

[Reid1boys]

I don't doubt EV trucks would make for good haulers, instant torque, but that range drops dramatically. The point of multiple vehicles wasn't about the people that can own multiple vehicles, but about the ones that can't afford it and an EV isn't practical for them right now. Sounds like you live in Cali, charging points are probably more widespread than other parts of the country. You also own a house so home charging is convenient, it's not so convenient for those living in apartments, where only a small percentage may have charging points.

Reading your other responses, especially about the infrastructure, it's about the future, what will happen but we're not there yet for a large portion of people. EV certainly sounds like the wave of the future, but until it becomes more widespread, cheaper, and convenient, many people won't make the switch.

I agree with you.. EVs are in their infancy. Im sure when ICE cars were starting to populate on a large scale, gas stations werent abundant. My guess is in a decade, all of these issues wont be a problem. I bet apartment complexes have chargers all over the place. But, we shall see. The infrastructure bill passed recently had Billions in it for EV infrastructure. Many just dont realize how fast this is happening.

 

[Roadtrip635]

I agree with you.. EVs are in their infancy. Im sure when ICE cars were starting to populate on a large scale, gas stations werent abundant. My guess is in a decade, all of these issues wont be a problem. I bet apartment complexes have chargers all over the place. But, we shall see. The infrastructure bill passed recently had Billions in it for EV infrastructure. Many just dont realize how fast this is happening.

At the end of the original post you responded to, that's why I mentioned that hybrids may make a better choice for many people right now. It gives people a more familiar gas/diesel platform with the some of the benefits of EV. I have two vehicles and though I'm not in the market for a new one, I would consider a hybrid in the future.

I live in Texas and if last winter taught me anything is this grid needs to be more robust. Even before that, we get warnings during hot summer days about possible brown outs due to high electrical consumption. It's coming but there's still plenty of work to do.

 

[shabazz]

You reading books from a certain University?

By the time that is happening, there wont be any issues. in addition, you dont charge the car EVERY single night. My neighbor drive about 34 miles round trip to work and back. Her tesla has about 300 mile range. She needs to charge about every 5th night.

Do you go to the gas pump and fill up everyday?

Uber drivers , busses, limos, delivery and transport and taxis will. Plus all the new "electric tractor trailers" will too.

Electric dump trucks, cement mixers will too.

My favorite will be all the shiny efficient electric jumbo jets all hooked up too

Hilarious!

Forgot to add, my neighbors have a tesla and electric BMW....they plug in every single night.....just like most people do with their phones

 

[shabazz]

You reading books from a certain University?

UC Berkely

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

It is clear some just cannot stop with the political agendas and put downs due to them.
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