Elite QB + No Team or Elite Team + No QB

[Doomsday101]

I agree!

There is something special about Brady, Brees, Peyton and Arodg. You see the competitiveness. I mean, I've seen Brady almost demon like in games where he gets so angry(focused anger). But for them to play at a high level and carry their teams throughout the season and playoffs....that's a monumental task for them...as we can see. Brees, Arodge, and Peyton only have one a piece...Brady has more but not in the modern era...lol

My wife's friend's husband is best friends with Brady(3 degrees of separation ). He said Tom is very similar to Jordan to where he HAS to beat you in everything he does. Sick like that.

All of them are great no doubt but even being great does not give them multiple rings. Brees has 1, Peyton has 1 and so does Rodgers they may or may not get another one but if they do a lot of players making big plays will be the reason. After all that was the reason they got the one they have now. It takes a lot to win it all more than just a QB.

As for Brady again excellent and smart QB his team in my view is probably the best prepared best disciplined and best fundamental team out there. They just do not beat themselves very often.

 

[Clove]

But they have so called choked in before in big games. So if Romo wins a SB then he is as good? Eli and Flacco are good QB they also happen to play on solid teams. As I mentioned NY Giants defense played a hugh role in beating Dallas, GB and NE they shut down a NE team that avg 34 fricken points a game and guess what Eli did not play a single down in defense.

Flacco teams went through some injuries they also started getting healthy and saw the return of guys like Lewis back in their lineup and played very well down the stretch. I take nothing from those QB but it was still an overall team effort not them alone. Hell Eli has had some very bad games in big games so has Flacco and many Raven fans were boo hooing about him as many of you do about Romo. Now he has a ring and he is great? :laugh2: One day you just may figure out this game involves a lot more than QB's alone and the winner is not about who has the best QB it is who has the best teams.

This last SB 49ers QB and Balt QB are not the best QB in the league not even close to Rodgers ability but they won because they play on a better overall team. It really is as simple as that but as long as some continue to view the QB based on SB alone then it becomes a waste of time trying to explain the game because you will never get it.

Welcome to the number 1 excuse maker. You are the king my friend.

 

[Doomsday101]

:laugh2: :laugh2:

Yeah, right! The dude is a one way street...and the only game he remembers is the Washington game.

If this game was about best QB skills Rodgers would be standing their with 3 or 4 rings on his finger. Winning is about a lot more than him alone :laugh2:

 

[Clove]

All of them are great no doubt but even being great does not give them multiple rings. Brees has 1, Peyton has 1 and so does Rodgers they may or may not get another one but if they do a lot of players making big plays will be the reason. After all that was the reason they got the one they have now. It takes a lot to win it all more than just a QB.

As for Brady again excellent and smart QB his team in my view is probably the best prepared best disciplined and best fundamental team out there. They just do not beat themselves very often.

Do you read what you write? Those guys HAVE done it. Tell me exactly what Romo's done please?

 

[5Stars]

Welcome to the number 1 excuse maker. You are the king my friend.

Welcome to the number 1 whiner. You are the queen my friend.

:shades:

 

[Doomsday101]

Welcome to the number 1 excuse maker. You are the king my friend.

That is not an excuse it is the reality. You guys act like it is a one man game it isn't but you are not smart enough to figure it out. Instead you point at 1 player you don't have a fricken clue. Go back to your Madden game I'm sure you fully understand that. :laugh2:

 

[ufcrules1]

But they have so called choked in before in big games. So if Romo wins a SB then he is as good? Eli and Flacco are good QB they also happen to play on solid teams. As I mentioned NY Giants defense played a hugh role in beating Dallas, GB and NE they shut down a NE team that avg 34 fricken points a game and guess what Eli did not play a single down in defense.

Flacco teams went through some injuries they also started getting healthy and saw the return of guys like Lewis back in their lineup and played very well down the stretch. I take nothing from those QB but it was still an overall team effort not them alone. Hell Eli has had some very bad games in big games so has Flacco and many Raven fans were boo hooing about him as many of you do about Romo. Now he has a ring and he is great? :laugh2: One day you just may figure out this game involves a lot more than QB's alone and the winner is not about who has the best QB it is who has the best teams.

This last SB 49ers QB and Balt QB are not the best QB in the league not even close to Rodgers ability but they won because they play on a better overall team. It really is as simple as that but as long as some continue to view the QB based on SB alone then it becomes a waste of time trying to explain the game because you will never get it.

Dude, we have been through this over and over. I get it, they have to have a team. Nobody is disputing that. With that said, the QB's do certainly get a lot of praise too because they touch the ball on every offensive play. Sure, Eli and Flacco's teams played well down the stretch, there is no denying that, but there is also no denying that Eli and Flacco also played elite.. regardless of how much you or I can't stand them. Could Romo play elite like they did through 3 straight playoff games and the Superbowl? From what I have seen so far in his career, I would say no. Can he prove me wrong? Sure, I would love nothing more.

 

[Doomsday101]

Do you read what you write? Those guys HAVE done it. Tell me exactly what Romo's done please?

Those player teams did it not QB alone, you don't get that. Eli did not play a single down on defense did he? But it was a NY defense who shut NE down a team who was putting up points at will all year long. Eli played very good football but to win to go out vs GB and NE and put the clamps on them played a big role in winning the game. But you can't figure that out no to you only 1 player had anything to do with it. :laugh2: Fricken pathetic, not only are our fans spoiled they are not very smart. :laugh2:

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Elite QB.

Look at Peyton Manning in Indy. The Colts didn't really draft all that well. But, he could carry the entire offense. He made the O-Linemen, RB's and WR's look like Pro Bowlers.

His defense stunk for the most part. But, the simple counter was to rack up so many points and to control the ball. He gets injured and the team goes 2-14.

The other part is that QB's typically have long careers if they are competent enough. If they are a good QB, they'll be able to play in the league for 10 years (most of the time), unless they are a QB that is a big-time scrambler and uses their legs to beat teams.

If you have a legitimate elite QB, I think eventually it makes drafting easier because they influence so many different parts of the game.







YR

 

[DFWJC]

But they have so called choked in before in big games. So if Romo wins a SB then he is as good? Eli and Flacco are good QB they also happen to play on solid teams. As I mentioned NY Giants defense played a hugh role in beating Dallas, GB and NE they shut down a NE team that avg 34 fricken points a game and guess what Eli did not play a single down in defense.

Flacco teams went through some injuries they also started getting healthy and saw the return of guys like Lewis back in their lineup and played very well down the stretch. I take nothing from those QB but it was still an overall team effort not them alone. Hell Eli has had some very bad games in big games so has Flacco and many Raven fans were boo hooing about him as many of you do about Romo. Now he has a ring and he is great? :laugh2: One day you just may figure out this game involves a lot more than QB's alone and the winner is not about who has the best QB it is who has the best teams.

This last SB 49ers QB and Balt QB are not the best QB in the league not even close to Rodgers ability but they won because they play on a better overall team. It really is as simple as that but as long as some continue to view the QB based on SB alone then it becomes a waste of time trying to explain the game because you will never get it.

So much of it with Romo is the lack of sample size. If it was like Flacco, for example, where almost every single year he was playing for a Playoff level team--with or without him--then at some point if you're a good player, you will break through.
Flacco was in the playoffs every year and his team won games where he performed at as bad a level as any player in the history of the playoffs...I mean, the guy had a QB rating of 10 in one game and his team won.
Well after all of that experience in the playoffs, he finally started putting it together last year and especially this year. He was still fairly JAG in the regualr season, so his team actually carried him to to the playoffs. Wouldn't that be nice.

Eli also put together two great runs in the playoffs.
However, all three of his other playoff appearances have been one and done....with some really horrible performances mixed in.
But he's had some good teams and some great defenses...and enough chances that he has made good on it.

Both those guys got enough chances and ended up getting on a roll, so they deserve a ton of credit.
I happen to think that if you give Romo enough chances with a good team, he too would break through. Not every time--nobody does that--but eventually at least once he would get on a roll. He's very capable.

 

[Doomsday101]

Dude, we have been through this over and over. I get it, they have to have a team. Nobody is disputing that. With that said, the QB's do certainly get a lot of praise too because they touch the ball on every offensive play. Sure, Eli and Flacco's teams played well down the stretch, there is no denying that, but there is also no denying that Eli and Flacco also played elite.. regardless of how much you or I can't stand them. Could Romo play elite like they did through 3 straight playoff games and the Superbowl? From what I have seen so far in his career, I would say no. Can he prove me wrong? Sure, I would love nothing more.

Has nothing to do with liking them or not liking them. I respect both but I also listened to Raven fans go on about Flacco the way you do on Romo, they see him every week and many were ready to bail on him as well. Yes they played good for them to play good others had to step up, OL had to block, defense had to make the stops and get the turnovers a lot of people played a part. You show the clip of the Manningham play? very good throw yet it means nothing if manningham does not show great body control to make the catch and get feet in bounds.

 

[Doomsday101]

So much of it with Romo is the lack of sample size. If it was like Flacco, for example, where almost every single year he was playing for a Playoff level team--with or without him--then at some point if you're a good player, you will break through.
Flacco was in the playoffs every year and his team won games where he performed at as bad a level as any player in the history of the playoffs...I mean, the guy had a QB rating of 10 in one game and his team won.
Well after all of that experience in the playoffs, he finally started putting it together last year and especially this year. He was still fairly JAG in the regualr season, so his team actually carried him to to the playoffs. Wouldn't that be nice.

Eli also put together two great runs in the playoffs.
However, all three of his other playoff appearances have been one and done....with some really horrible performances mixed in.
But he's had some good teams and some great defenses...and enough chances that he has made good on it.

Both those guys got enough chances and ended up getting on a roll, so they deserve a ton of credit.
I happen to think that if you give Romo enough chances with a good team, he too would break through. Not every time--nobody does that--but eventually at least once he would get on a roll. He's very capable.

I agree. As I say I take nothing from them but it is not as if they carried the team. Many others stepped up to win these games. You get to the crunch time you better have a defense who can make the stops who can get the ball back in the hands of the offense. I don't know if Romo will ever get a ring or not but if he does I can promise you a lot of others stepped up to make it happen.

This is why Troy has 3, he never did it a lone, he had a defense who vs Buffalo took the ball away time after time, they were all over the QB. Emmitt posted over 100 yards and Mike made some big plays. Troy played great but it was never Troy alone and even he has said that many times. This game is about team about offense and defense but talking to some it is all about 1 guy the QB. That is pure non sense but well over their heads

 

[ufcrules1]

You show the clip of the Manningham play? very good throw yet it means nothing if manningham does not show great body control to make the catch and get feet in bounds.

Yeah, well at least his receiver had a chance to catch the ball because Eli put it right on the freaking money and was as calm as could be down 2 with 3:45 to go on the biggest possible stage. Notice his brain didn't stop working. He was as clutch as you could possibly be. If I saw Romo do the same thing in a playoff or even when the division is on the line then I would support him too. Instead he chokes, so I that is all I have to work with.

 

[DFWJC]

Has nothing to do with liking them or not liking them. I respect both but I also listened to Raven fans go on about Flacco the way you do on Romo, they see him every week and many were ready to bail on him as well. Yes they played good for them to play good others had to step up, OL had to block, defense had to make the stops and get the turnovers a lot of people played a part. You show the clip of the Manningham play? very good throw yet it means nothing if manningham does not show great body control to make the catch and get feet in bounds.

Ironically two "plays-that-weren't" that were in Cowboy/Giants games could have meant zero SBs for NY.
1) Crayton breaking his route on a perfect game-winning throw by Romo in 2007.
2) And maybe in 2011, with the Austin/Romo disconnect in Dallas..lost in the lights or whatever. Romo 4 Tds, 0 ints, 300+...in a loss. Almost seems impossible.

Shoulda woulda coulda gets us nothing though.
Have to tip your hat, I guess.

 

[5Stars]

Ironically two "plays-that-weren't" that were in Cowboy/Giants games could have meant zero SBs for NY.
1) Crayton breaking his route on a perfect game-winning throw by Romo in 2007.
2) And maybe in 2011, with the Austin/Romo disconnect in Dallas..lost in the lights or whatever. Romo 4 Tds, 0 ints, 300+...in a loss. Almost seems impossible.

Shoulda woulda coulda gets us nothing though.
Have to tip your hat, I guess.

Wasn't it Eli's first superbowl win when he threw up a duck and his receiver caught it on his helmet to make the catch?

 

[Doomsday101]

Ironically two "plays-that-weren't" that were in Cowboy/Giants games could have meant zero SBs for NY.
1) Crayton breaking his route on a perfect game-winning throw by Romo in 2007.
2) Less so in 2011, with the Austin/Romo disconnect in Dallas..lost in th elights or whatever. Romo 4 Tds, 0 ints, 300+...in a loss. Almost seems impossible.

Shoulda woulda coulda gets us nothing though.
Have to tip your hat, I guess.

I agree. I'm guessing in some people view in those big moments the failure of Crayton and Austin were all Romo fault. I think a lot of people on this team need to step up, Romo included but to win we can't have jail break pass rushers running him down, we can't allow teams to march down field. When eli makes a mistake his defense goes out and get him the ball right back they don't just fade and allow team to march down the field on them.

To me it is about the Cowboys as a whole Romo included but not him alone.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

New Orleans and Indy both had monster offensive lines to protect them...For the "Greatest QB of our time" (Manning) to only get it done once...speaks VOLUMES. Brees showed you last year what an elite QB can do without necessary "team" things...like coaching.

It's a TEAM game and you need a TEAM to win it...Romo has nothing compared to what those guys had in protection and coaching...not even close.

good post.

I agree with this.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

My choice 9 outta 10 times = Elite Team + No QB

I think having a numbers of Elite players will provide more possible opportunities to win games.

 

[cowboysooner]

Elite QB.

Look at Peyton Manning in Indy. The Colts didn't really draft all that well. But, he could carry the entire offense. He made the O-Linemen, RB's and WR's look like Pro Bowlers.

His defense stunk for the most part. But, the simple counter was to rack up so many points and to control the ball. He gets injured and the team goes 2-14.

The other part is that QB's typically have long careers if they are competent enough. If they are a good QB, they'll be able to play in the league for 10 years (most of the time), unless they are a QB that is a big-time scrambler and uses their legs to beat teams.

If you have a legitimate elite QB, I think eventually it makes drafting easier because they influence so many different parts of the game.







YR

Very good post.

 

[cowboysooner]

So much of it with Romo is the lack of sample size. If it was like Flacco, for example, where almost every single year he was playing for a Playoff level team--with or without him--then at some point if you're a good player, you will break through.
Flacco was in the playoffs every year and his team won games where he performed at as bad a level as any player in the history of the playoffs...I mean, the guy had a QB rating of 10 in one game and his team won.
Well after all of that experience in the playoffs, he finally started putting it together last year and especially this year. He was still fairly JAG in the regualr season, so his team actually carried him to to the playoffs. Wouldn't that be nice.

Eli also put together two great runs in the playoffs.
However, all three of his other playoff appearances have been one and done....with some really horrible performances mixed in.
But he's had some good teams and some great defenses...and enough chances that he has made good on it.

Both those guys got enough chances and ended up getting on a roll, so they deserve a ton of credit.
I happen to think that if you give Romo enough chances with a good team, he too would break through. Not every time--nobody does that--but eventually at least once he would get on a roll. He's very capable.

Nice post dfw jc.