Elliott strains hammy

[Section446]

The language restriction of this forum is to much to overcome for me to be able to react to this news.

Language restriction?

 

[weaver21]

I understand disagreeing with fellow posters over things, that's normal and doesn't really bother me. However, seeing people verbally attack each other is just pathetic. We're all Cowboys fans yet it just seems like this board is divided which to me is just sad.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Woicik doesn't determine how tolerable injuries are. This is about players abusing the system not whether players are legitimately injured.

What's that? I can take a week off from camp and not have my job security threatened? Yeah, my hamstring is a little sore.

got it thought this was a reference to Woicik...thanks....maybe its time to round up the players and bring them to five points for some good ole fashion training...

 

[Seven]

I'm not hoping for Romo to get hurt again, but honestly, part of me wishes this franchise was starting over with a new QB and a new coach. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result. It has felt that way for the last decade.

You think that would change anything with the current GM and tThe Regime?

LOL.

 

[Idgit]

Seriously? The biggest Garrett excuse-maker and "cheerleader" on the board is going to point fingers? And then try to demean Bill Parcells and his time here? Oh the irony!

And the actual sad truth is that Garrett still hasn't been able to "recapture" those glory days of actually being above .500. Let me know when Garrett gets the second in his entire tenure.

That was sort of the joke, stash. If you're going to flay Jason Garrett for coaching a .500 team, you can't go praising Bill Parcels who did the exact same thing. See how it works?

Have the last word here now unless we can debate the topic more civilly. I actually like going round with you, but the excuse maker and cheerleader stuff makes that a lot less interesting.

 

[Section446]

That was sort of the joke, stash. If you're going to flay Jason Garrett for coaching a .500 team, you can't go praising Bill Parcels who did the exact same thing. See how it works?

Have the last word here now unless we can debate the topic more civilly. I actually like going round with you, but the excuse maker and cheerleader stuff makes that a lot less interesting.

I get where you're coming from regarding the records, but I had a lot more faith in Parcells than I do Garrett. Maybe it's because he had proven that he had what it took to win championships, maybe it's because I knew that he had the fortitude to stand up to Jerry... Just felt different.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Non issue.

 

[Stash]

That was sort of the joke, stash. If you're going to flay Jason Garrett for coaching a .500 team, you can't go praising Bill Parcels who did the exact same thing. See how it works?

Except for where it isn't "the same exact thing". Where Parcells had retreads and Quincy Carter at quarterback, while Garrett has a top 10 quarterback. Or where Parcells was above .500 for 3 of his 4 years in Dallas, where going into 6 years, Garrett hasnt managed the feat even twice! See how that doesn't work?

Have the last word here now unless we can debate the topic more civilly. I actually like going round with you, but the excuse maker and cheerleader stuff makes that a lot less interesting.

For the record, I quoted you and your own use of the term cheerleader directed at someone else. A little late to 'take the high road' now, isn't it?

And I enjoy our debates as well.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Everybody is thinking it.it could be the end of Romo and Garrett if Romo can't finish the season.

I would 100% be fine with having both go. I dont see the "window" happening anyway. So if I have to see Romo go to get rid of Garrett that seems fine with me. Ill also take another top 5 pick as a consolation prize. And who knows, the utter failure two years in a row may convince Jones he really needs to change the way he does things around here.

 

[Idgit]

I get where you're coming from regarding the records, but I had a lot more faith in Parcells than I do Garrett. Maybe it's because he had proven that he had what it took to win championships, maybe it's because I knew that he had the fortitude to stand up to Jerry... Just felt different.

Fair enough. Parcels is a cool dude. I was really just commenting on the won-loss record comparison being nearly equal.

 

[CowboyRoy]

That was sort of the joke, stash. If you're going to flay Jason Garrett for coaching a .500 team, you can't go praising Bill Parcels who did the exact same thing. See how it works?

Have the last word here now unless we can debate the topic more civilly. I actually like going round with you, but the excuse maker and cheerleader stuff makes that a lot less interesting.

Parcells was just as bad

I hear ya but didnt the team get the strength and conditioning coach from the 90s who went to the pats? can't recall his name right now but he was "supposed" to fix these issues.

This is what happens when everything is a CC. No accountability for coming in out of shape or not showing up at all. They can be late, be on drugs, beat your GF, ect....ect.... And the practices are worse then camp cup cake. Thats when injuries happen. When no one takes it seriously because they dont have to. This is Jerry Jones culture of lap and luxury with little results. Garrett is either part of the problem or has been fighting an uphill battle he could never win or properly influence.

 

[Idgit]

Except for where it isn't "the same exact thing". Where Parcells had retreads and Quincy Carter at quarterback, while Garrett has a top 10 quarterback. Or where Parcells was above .500 for 3 of his 4 years in Dallas where going into 6 years, Garrett hasnt managed tge feat even twice! See how that doesn't work?

For the record, I quoted you and your own use of the term cheerleader directed at someone else. A little late to 'take the high road' now, isn't it?

And I enjoy our debates as well.

The .500 records were the exact same things. I didn't suggest the teams were identical, but we were talking about results.

My 'cheerleader' reference was in regards to Risen saying the same thing before invoking Bill Parcels. I was pointing out the irony.

Either way, I'm not calling you names here, and I accept your arguments for what they are. I actually don't make excuses. If you're being 100% honest, you know there are areas of the team and the organization I think are responsible for the losses. We might not agree on what those areas are, but that doesn't mean I'm making excuses.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Zeke will be fine and so will my team-The Cowboys.

2014 wasn't an anomaly despite what many of the weaker, lesser fans think. It was the culmination of the changing of most of our roster into a younger team capable of being a throwback power running team.

We lost 4 key players. One was possibly a bad calculation-Murray and three were to essentially season ending injuries. Anyone that doesn't understand losing one of the best players at the most important position in the sport will have a very negative affect on winning is only revealing themselves in a couple of different ways that is obvious to others.

As for letting Murray go I feel it was the right decision for the future of my team and as bad as last year was it may have helped land us exactly what we needed to get 6.

"will be fine"

Sorry pup, but "fine" isnt good enough for us higher standard, real Cowboy fans. If you arent troubled with the way things are going, then you simply dont care enough.

4 out of the last 5 seasons have been 8-8 or worse yet you think that is the "anomaly"? You obviously dont even know the meaning of the word.

 

[big dog cowboy]

There is no offseason here at CZ. We train year round.

I even help Risen from time to time... "C'mon RS... one more sarcastic comment. Give me one more! Nice set.

He's a natural.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

thats not entirely true. 2004 was loaded with these types of injuries. In 03 he had a good handle on it and even benched ekuban for lingering injuries and not being available giving obago his job. But that team had all kinds of problems like this. Actually so did 05.

He made columbo play through a severely injured knee in 06 though as columbo tells the story. Some guys play hurt and some do not.

@Risen Star is not beholden to facts.

 

[Tommy]

Except for where it isn't "the same exact thing". Where Parcells had retreads and Quincy Carter at quarterback, while Garrett has a top 10 quarterback. Or where Parcells was above .500 for 3 of his 4 years in Dallas, where going into 6 years, Garrett hasnt managed the feat even twice! See how that doesn't work?

It doesn't seem all that different to me. Parcels career record here was 34-30.
2 out of those 3 years you are bragging about were 9-7.

I think Garrett would be getting hammered here for the same numbers.

 

[Stash]

The .500 records were the exact same things. I didn't suggest the teams were identical, but we were talking about results.

And again, you're wrong there. Parcells had three seasons above .500 in four years. Garrett's had one in five years. Not "the same thing" at all.

My 'cheerleader' reference was in regards to Risen saying the same thing before invoking Bill Parcels. I was pointing out the irony.

And mine was in direct response to yours. If he's a 'Parcells cheerleader', you're a 'Garrett cheerleader' by the same standards. What's good for one...

Either way, I'm not calling you names here, and I accept your arguments for what they are. I actually don't make excuses. If you're being 100% honest, you know there are areas of the team and the organization I think are responsible for the losses. We might not agree on what those areas are, but that doesn't mean I'm making excuses.

Okey dokey.

 

[Stash]

It doesn't seem all that different to me. Parcels career record here was 34-30.
2 out of those 3 years you are bragging about were 9-7.

I think Garrett would be getting hammered here for the same numbers.

Really? Garrett's had lesser numbers.

With the luxury of a Too 10 quarterback as well, where Parcells had Quincy Carter and a few retreads on their last legs because the cupboard was bare thanks to Jerry's 'deals'.

 

[Tommy]

Really? Garrett's had lesser numbers.

With the luxury of a Too 10 quarterback as well, where Parcells had Quincy Carter and a few retreads on their last legs because the cupboard was bare thanks to Jerry's 'deals'.

I think the people who are hammering Garrett today would also have hammered him for going 36-30 with the same team Parcells had. And anybody who defended Garrett at that time would have probably been accused of being a "homer" who is satisfied with mediocrity.

The team went 10-6 with Quincy Carter under center. With Better quarterbacks Parcells finished at 9-7 his last 2 years. I don't get what was so great about his tenure here.
Again, Garrett would be criticized here for the same results.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Really? Garrett's had lesser numbers.

With the luxury of a Too 10 quarterback as well, where Parcells had Quincy Carter and a few retreads on their last legs because the cupboard was bare thanks to Jerry's 'deals'.

Yep. Just look at last year when Garrett didnt have Romo for most of the season.