Escobar a good receiver?

[Idgit]

I really hate the fact that M. Bennett went to other teams and is a beast. What happened to him here?

Bennett's attitude problem is the reason he's on his 4th team already, despite the athletic ability. Good riddance to bad rubbish on that one.

 

[GIFTS86]

How is NE using Bennett with Gronk that we could not figure out?

That's what I always wondered. The only thing I can think of is he just wasn't interested at that point in time??? Who knows. Quite a few players who have left went on to be successful.

 

[Clove]

It's hard to have a dominant TE when you have Witten on the team. You're not going to pay two high priced tight ends.

 

[waldoputty]

That's what I always wondered. The only thing I can think of is he just wasn't interested at that point in time??? Who knows. Quite a few players who have left went on to be successful.

Right, lots have left and be successful.
But these are 2nd round picks over and over again.
Witten insurance is important.
At some point, it becomes silly to keep letting them leave.
This is especially true if they are leaving and signing cheaper contracts since their stats are bad.

 

[KJJ]

How is NE using Bennett with Gronk that we could not figure out?

NE has Belichick and Brady who used the Gronk/Hernandez combo to perfection. Bennett didn't even know how to lineup correctly when he came here. He needed a lot of development and the Cowboys have been a great place for TEs to develop behind Witten and be ready to excel for other teams when we release them. I'm sure Escobar will end up being at least a serviceable TE for someone when he leaves the Cowboys. Belichick and Brady could probably turn him into a beast.

 

[waldoputty]

NE has Belichick and Brady who used the Gronk/Hernandez combo to perfection. Bennett didn't even know how to lineup correctly when he came here. He needed a lot of development and the Cowboys have been a great place for TEs to develop behind Witten and be ready to excel for other teams when we release them. I'm sure Escobar will end up being at least a serviceable TE for someone when he leaves the Cowboys. Belichick and Brady could probably turn him into a beast.

May be we can hire NE's TE coach.

 

[Vanilla2]

How is NE using Bennett with Gronk that we could not figure out?

Personally I think Bennett was more the issue than the system, but I'm sure I will be told how wrong I am.

 

[KJJ]

May be we can hire NE's TE coach.

That has nothing to do with it, it's the system and Brady that make it work.

 

[T-RO]

I never understood the Escobar selection and I made a lot of noise about it when he was drafted.

If you are going to spend such a high pick on a tight end the guy must be elite as a receiver and at least serviceable as a blocker.

Escobar is no blocker and though he has awesome hands and presents a nice big target--he's inherently limited as a receiver because he's so damn slow. (4.86 forty)

 

[waldoputty]

That has nothing to do with it, it's the system and Brady that make it work.

Well the TE coach should know the in-and-outs of the system...

 

[waldoputty]

I never understood the Escobar selection and I made a lot of noise about it when he was drafted.

If you are going to spend such a high pick on a tight end the guy must be elite as a receiver and at least serviceable as a blocker.

Escobar is no blocker and though he has awesome hands and presents a nice big target--he's inherently limited as a receiver because he's so damn slow. (4.86 forty)

I think the TE is so important to Garrett and coaches that they are willing to draft a TE using a 2nd round pick every 4 years to have a good backup for Witten. It is just Witten has lasted so long that the backup never really plays. Fasano was a better blocker than receiver. Bennett is both but a loser. Escobar is receiver first and does not block well.

We really owe it to ourselves to find out if Escobar is a reliable good receiving option in actually games. He should be signable to a really low contract. Particularly in jump balls in the red zone and 3rd down sideline conversions.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Swaim is better blocking on the move than Escobar. Witten plays the Y almost exclusively now.

I think Escobar has evolved into an above average all around Y. His pass protection and inline blocking is better than average now. Seeing that the team is now finding ways to get him on the field with all the jumbo packages, it seems that they agree.

Witten is playing lights out right now though. His quickness is only average but his speed at his size and age is remarkable. His routes are money.

 

[KJJ]

Well the TE coach should know the in-and-outs of the system...

A lot of teams try copying the Pats and unless you have Brady/Belichick and Gronk it's not going to work the same way. Gronk is such a beast he opens up opportunities for others. For Bennett to develop as a pass receiver he needed opportunities and he wasn't getting them with Witten playing ahead of him.

 

[Joe Realist]

He will be good elsewhere.

 

[waldoputty]

Swaim is better blocking on the move than Escobar. Witten plays the Y almost exclusively now.

I think Escobar has evolved into an above average all around Y. His pass protection and inline blocking is better than average now. Seeing that the team is now finding ways to get him on the field with all the jumbo packages, it seems that they agree.

Witten is playing lights out right now though. His quickness is only average but his speed at his size and age is remarkable. His routes are money.

When you say Swaim is better blocking on the move, you are saying Swaim can play the H position?
Does Swaim play the Y much?
What does Hanna play?

 

[Mookie]

W

I really hate the fact that M. Bennett went to other teams and is a beast. What happened to him here?

Witten happened, that's what happened. Thankfully for Dallas we have the greatest football player ever.

 

[T-RO]

I think the TE is so important to Garrett and coaches that they are willing to draft a TE using a 2nd round pick every 4 years to have a good backup for Witten. It is just Witten has lasted so long that the backup never really plays. Fasano was a better blocker than receiver. Bennett is both but a loser. Escobar is receiver first and does not block well.

We really owe it to ourselves to find out if Escobar is a reliable good receiving option in actually games. He should be signable to a really low contract. Particularly in jump balls in the red zone and 3rd down sideline conversions.

Good post. I agree with your assessments in the first paragraph.

The thing is...we already know exactly what Escobar is. He's got absolutely super hands and a large wingspan. Seems reliable. His skill set is useful in the red zone but of very little value in other respects.

He's SLOW with ZERO Run-After-Catch in his game. His lack of speed is like a limiter on a U-haul rental truck--they used to have those where you'd max out at 55MPH! His lack of athleticism makes him a terrible special teams player. He has a hard ceiling as a player.

Escobar currently sits third on the depth chart, with a JAG, Swaim, in front of him. Swaim was picked at the bottom of the 7th round!

Escobar can be signed for little--as you accurately note--because he has little value. There just isn't much to explore here or hope for. He's insurance in case Witten gets hurt, but is no longterm replacement for Witten. Very limited player.

 

[Hardline]

Draft Jake Butt in the second round next year.

 

[waldoputty]

Good post. I agree with your assessments in the first paragraph.

The thing is...we already know exactly what Escobar is. He's got absolutely super hands and a large wingspan. Seems reliable. His skill set is useful in the red zone but of very little value in other respects.

He's SLOW with ZERO Run-After-Catch in his game. His lack of speed is like a limiter on a U-haul rental truck--they used to have those where you'd max out at 55MPH! His lack of athleticism makes him a terrible special teams player. He has a hard ceiling as a player.

Escobar currently sits third on the depth chart, with a JAG, Swaim, in front of him. Swaim was picked at the bottom of the 7th round!

Escobar can be signed for little--as you accurately note--because he has little value. There just isn't much to explore here or hope for. Very limited player.

I wonder how fast Witten is compared to Escobar (4.85?) and Witten's draft 40 time of 4.65
Swaim's 4.7 time is more credible since it was only 1.5 years ago.

Actually Rico Gathers is supposed to run a 4.65 at 280lbs...

 

[Bullflop]

Any 4.86 tight end who can't block well and isn't physical enough to make up for failing to gain separation will have a tough time getting reps. Also, having to compete with Witten for playing time, certainly doesn't help his cause. Witten is, plain and simply, a much better option.