ESPN & Herm Edwards says now will see if Wade can coach

[theebs]

There are many aspects of being a winning coach let alone a good one...Part of that is being a leader, a part we all know very clearly is not part of Wade's repertoire....Sadly, we found out that not only is the HC not a leader but neither are any of the 'captains' on the club either

I do take exception with the adjustments claim because if we learned anything in the last 2 seasons, it's that even knowing what the opposing offenses were going to do (Particularly late in the season) we saw the defense unable to adjust to it...Over 2 seasons, games were lost consistently late in games and late in the season - not exactly a winning endorsement for someone who purports to be good at making adjustments

Jerry can't be blamed for training camps where there is no hitting, can he?...What about tackling?...What about the penchant for penalties?

There is zero discipline on the team and I contend that despite a varying degree of talent over the last 2 season, the Cowboys have gotten worse each season under Wade...Part of it is definitely personnel but a good chunk of it has to be Wade too...And at his age and his history as a HC, turning it around eventually is not his M.O....He typically fizzles more and more as time goes on making Herm's comments a bit comical, for me

Those are all fair points. I think he is a very good in game manager and can handle all elements of the x's and o's.

I do think the defense was no where near as good as people think it was last year and I think that is on wade, not the x's and o's but on the charismatic inspiring side, the attention to detail and being a stickler on important issues.

The tackling was terrible on this team last year, particularly from the secondary.

Again, I really dont like wade, nothing about him leads me to believe he can turn anyone into a winner, but the one thing that I cling to for hope is that he can make the right decisions during a game and that the guys can follow through and finish the job.

The players need to hold up their end of the bargain more this year. I dont blame wade for spencer, thomas and hamlin missing simple tackles against baltimore that sunk our battleship. The x's and o's were correct and guys where there, but that win at all costs attitude and charisma is missing and I think that starts with phillips approach.

Hopefully this year wont be a train wreck, but it very well could be.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Those are all fair points. I think he is a very good in game manager and can handle all elements of the x's and o's.

I do think the defense was no where near as good as people think it was last year and I think that is on wade, not the x's and o's but on the charismatic inspiring side, the attention to detail and being a stickler on important issues.

The tackling was terrible on this team last year, particularly from the secondary.

Again, I really dont like wade, nothing about him leads me to believe he can turn anyone into a winner, but the one thing that I cling to for hope is that he can make the right decisions during a game and that the guys can follow through and finish the job.

The players need to hold up their end of the bargain more this year. I dont blame wade for spencer, thomas and hamlin missing simple tackles against baltimore that sunk our battleship. The x's and o's were correct and guys where there, but that win at all costs attitude and charisma is missing and I think that starts with phillips approach.

Hopefully this year wont be a train wreck, but it very well could be.

i dont think wade a a good manager theebs, now on the x's and o's, he is good, but not as a whole head coach, just doesnt have the temperment for it

now if you want to do it wades way like he says a head coach should have 4 years before he is judged on a team, i disagree with that, this team was primed in 2007 and because of lack of leadership, especially from head coach, this team slid in december

when the head coach doesnt have the players practice in pads at all in november and december, then something is wrong;

even nate newton said that this team didnt do their cardivacular work especially on the offensive line, and nate asked a media writer one time,when was the last time you saw some good hitting in training camp. An actual hard hitting smacking tackling etc. The reporter said last time he saw that was parcells last year, was a goal line stand.

now that says something right there. When it comes to crunch time, this team isnt geared up for it, it came to crunch time in the pittsburgh game and the baltimore game, you saw what happened in the last 4 minutes of each of those games

jimmy johnson built his teams on being physical and ready to take over in the 4th quarter, this team isnt geared up for that

that to me is on wade; he still doesnt get that part of the game down yet, his dads team didnt get to a superbowl, and wades teams have never won a playoff game

now i do think wade has finally understood special teams, but what did it take wade and how long did it take him to learn that, 2 full years;

and now today how many players missed OTAs today, wasnt it 16 players? now i understand 5 to 6 of the players but what about the other players? and today is thursday, guess those players have scheduled trips somewhere and wade is going to let them off for vacation or whatever

 

[FCBarca]

Leadership...It's a word/concept that's been tossed around a lot...I think it's perhaps one of the single most underrated aspects of what is missing from the club (That means not only the players but the coaching staff as well).

Attitude reflects leadership and you could put tackling, intensity, execution (i.e. penalties) all under that broad umbrella of leadership.

We don't see leadership from the coaching staff and we don't see it from the players so how does it magically appear?

I'm trying to think of a successful football club in memory that didn't have a commanding leadership either among the personnel or coaching staff (If not both) and I couldn't think of any.

There may be some highlights to the upcoming season but that elusive missing ingredient doesn't look any less elusive going into Season 3 in the Wade experiment

 

[dadymat]

i will address this statement now;
Originally Posted by dadymat
the problem with your opinion is that it is pure fantasy....No one doing Any job in the world no matter what it pays does it 24 hrs a day 365 a year....its called down time, vacation, relaxation......your job pays you to do a job do you do it and only it 24 hrs a day 365 days a year? no you dont you probably spend more time on this forum than you do at your job......hell the President of the USA...plays golf, takes vacations and relaxes at camp david......the biggest problem with Romo is the absolute ridiculous expectations people put on him......

1) No dating
I did not say no dating, but when football season is on, you dont have time for that as a pro player, You are paid a ton on money, when OTAs, and training camp is there, no dating, period. We all know how or you should what lawrence taylor said once, he and his teammates would send girls to players hotel rooms the night before the game to zap them. Even Tom Brady told Romo once, dont bring your girlfriend to the game, period. YOU need to concentrate on football, not tryinng to impress your gf at the stadium or be thinking about her when your in a big game, etc. Even Nate Newton said, when traning camp is on, no time for gfs, even troy aikman didnt do that. Now as far as fridays, and weekend during OTAs, that time is the players, thats his free time, but when OTAs and training camp is there, thats footbal time., periodEven nate newton said for the players on 4th and long, no dating during this time frame. Period!

2) if you do date it must not be a celebrity
No way did i say such a silly thing that a football player couldnt date whom he wanted. Thats his business, in fact I dont want to know whom he is dating or whom he is seeing on is weekends, etc, thats his business, no one elses.

3) must win SB your second year as starter or your a bust
Lets see now, Romo has been playing since 2006, so thats 2006, 2007, 2008, romo has played, before that, romo was with the team when was he signed as a free agent? 2003 Folks, 2003, now how many years is that since he has been with the cowboys? Can you say 5 years, not counting this year? Thats more then enough time to be ready. Staubach was ready to play when he came from overseas by 1971, since he came to the cowboys in 1969. Now how many years is that folks? thats 3 years and staubach was ready and took the cowboys to a super bowl in 1971. Enough said!

4) cant own a boat I dont care what kind of boat romo gets, I dont care if he buys 10 boats, thats his business.

5) cant golf in the offseason Not during OTAs, period! Now on fridays and weekends during otas thats romos free time, thats his but not during week of otas.

6)must play with broken hand I never said romo had to play with a broken hand, that just plain silly to think i said that.

7)must speak to every reporter then be criticized if you dont say something to satisfy everyone If romo has one fault, its talking too long to reporters, hostile posted something about romo when he was hurt after the phily game, he kept talking even when the bus was ready to go. Again, I never said that romo must speak or be critized to or from reporters. My issue is too many irons in the fire, when he is paid a ton of money to win championships, not doing something else when football is going on.

8)must go to sideline after every series and do nothing but stand looking at print outs smiling .....scratch that ..cant smile it looks like you dont take your job seriously......but if you dont smile then you arent into the game having fun
Again, i never said he cant smile or look at every print out, but doesnt it make sense, he would or should want to look at a print out, when a coach tries to show it to him? If he doesnt want to look at it, why? Thats the wrong attitude to me?

9) must make hudini type getaways on every play cause O-line cant protect or you suck Again, this is another silly remark, i never said such a thing.

10) never let paparazzi take your picture or you are a celebrity QB and dont car about the game I have said, he is too much into paparazzi, the headlines, the glory, before he has won a playoff game. Just like rayfield wright nad some other players have said, he hasnt won those stripes yet and he was given glory probably before he should have been. You have to pay your dues, just like any other job, its all about experience, etc, adn you have to pay the price to get there. If your going out all the time, golf, paparazzi, etc, then do you have enough energy for football? thats the point I am trying to make, why hasnt romo ever finished something? He has never won a playoff game in college to my memory. he hasnt won playoff games in dallas. He hasnt won any golf big time stuff. He gets right on the edge, but doesnt punch through. Why, thats my point.

11) you must handle all the BS from certain players or you are weak for not being able to with stand it
Again romo said, you dont have to be a leader, its not what its all cracked up to be or something like that. But the leader of the offense has to be the QB in the game, the players have to respect that player and want to play for him. Why do you see in films that romo is almost like begging the offensive linemen lets go, but the linemen are dragging their feet so to speak. Why? Isnt the QB suppose to be the leader of that team? Just like the great wr for cardinals said, if it wasnt for kurt warner stepping on his neck and keeping him focused, he wouldnt be where he is today. Thats a leader on the team. Just like the QB for the steelers said, romo is too much papparazzi, thats my point im trying to make, not so much papparazzi, but all of it together, too many irons in the fire.

12) you must be a leader of those who cant be led

i could go on and on.......
The QB is suppose to be the leader of the team, period, especially on offense!

we have a borderline GREAT QB and you should enjoy it why you can cause they are far and few between.....we all want SBs and playoff wins....guess what Romo wants them more than you ever will
I know romo wants superbowls, but at what price does romo want superbowls? Thats my question, and the point im trying to make, too many irons in the fire.

like I said "absolute ridiculous expectations"

 

[Apollo Creed]

The golf thing.

Just do me a favor Joe.

**** with that BS already will ya.

I will take my warning/violation now. It was well worth it.

If not for your continuous updates and media you would be on the same par with the Judas' of the world. It seems like every thread I click on you're in some petty argument.

 

[AsthmaField]

if the former head coach parcells said, i like the kid, he is gutsy and will fight you to the end, etc, but there are things he does that you just want to kill him

Yeah but Joe... I don't think Parcells was talking about golf. He was speaking more about him throwing the ball into double coverage, throwing deep when he should use a dumpoff to a back, etc. He wasn't upset that Romo was a good golfer.

 

[cowboyjoe]

If not for your continuous updates and media you would be on the same par with the Judas' of the world. It seems like every thread I click on you're in some petty argument.

totally disagree, i am a die hard dallas cowboys fan, cowboys always come first with me before the players even

just like when aikman retired and jerry jones wanted to split the salary retirement of aikman over 2 years, and aikman wouldnt, i was upset at aikman over that;

we had to eat his 10 million dollar cap figure that year,so we couldnt get any good players that year;

dallas cowboys always come first to me, then the players, now it doesnt mean that i dont like the players i do, but its at the time of the year, now, building a team, and winning;

thats what comes first with me, and matters the most;
now i can live with say the cowboys get to the championship game in the nfc and lose a couple of years, at least we knocked on the door,

but to me out of the playoffs the last 12 years, thats unacceptable to me;
so i give my viewpoints, just like you gave your viewpoints, i have the right to give mine;

besides, i love DC, we may differ on opinions now and then, but most of the time we agree on things;

 

[cowboyjoe]

Yeah but Joe... I don't think Parcells was talking about golf. He was speaking more about him throwing the ball into double coverage, throwing deep when he should use a dumpoff to a back, etc. He wasn't upset that Romo was a good golfer.

could be asthma, we probably will never know that, and just like i said, i dont mind having to eat my words over what i think about romo,

now doesnt mean i dont like him, i do; (when romo is playing, i am rooting for him 150%) but i always want whats best for the team. Like in life, whatever parcells meant, which we probably will never know, you learn from your mistakes. just like last year, wade phillips finally woke up to how special teams has killed him with every team he has coached, that it does matter. When you recognize what your limitations are, and work on what you need to improve, then you can get better, but if you dont face up to your mistakes you will do them over and over while never going forward;

but you did make a good point;

 

[ravidubey]

Can we really drop this stupid argument about his golfing.

It's not stupid.

Golf, played at the level Romo plays it at, is not "relaxing". It takes dedication to maintain a low handicap like that. You have to pretty much always be on the golf course. We're talking about the US Open-- think of how narrow that field of players is. Tony's competing with people for whom Golf is a professional occupation. There is no way anyone just casually walks out there and cranks out performances like Romo does.

Furthermore it creates doubt in the people around Romo about his priorities. That's how perception begins to create reality.

Almost every NFL QB plays golf and many of them are damned good. But they aren't activley trying to qualifiy for the US Open.

 

[cowboyjoe]

It's not stupid.

Golf, played at the level Romo plays it at, is not "relaxing". It takes dedication to maintain a low handicap like that. You have to pretty much always be on the golf course. We're talking about the US Open-- think of how narrow that field of players is. Tony's competing with people for whom Golf is a professional occupation. There is no way anyone just casually walks out there and cranks out performances like Romo does.

Furthermore it creates doubt in the people around Romo about his priorities. That's how perception begins to create reality.

Almost every NFL QB plays golf and many of them are damned good. But they aren't activley trying to qualifiy for the US Open.

thats one of my points im trying to make, and its just not golf, its everything combined, the trips to mexico to judge a pageant, the papparazza, the us open thing, the shows & skits on espn, it all goes back to priorities with me, with romo, i know he cares and he wants to win, but im asking, how much and what price does he want to pay to win those championships, thats my point;

if which he is dedicated as he is in golf, just think if he put more effort possibly into football when ota's are here, and football season, think of what the possibilities are;

 

[ravidubey]

I do think the defense was no where near as good as people think it was last year and I think that is on wade, not the x's and o's but on the charismatic inspiring side, the attention to detail and being a stickler on important issues.

The tackling was terrible on this team last year, particularly from the secondary.

Notice how much turnover the defense has already experienced before training camp and how defensively focused the draft was.

Our problems were with coaches, starters, backups and an inability for the head coach and offensive coordinator to recognize the defense was not as good as they originally thought it would be.

Hyper aggressive offensive playcalling and terrible special teams made things even harder for the D.

One stat that matters is points allowed, and Dallas was terrible there. All the rest-- sacks, pressures, yards allowed, etc. are just numbers by comparison.

 

[ravidubey]

thats one of my points im trying to make, and its just not golf, its everything combined, the trips to mexico to judge a pageant, the papparazza, the us open thing, the shows & skits on espn, it all goes back to priorities with me, with romo, i know he cares and he wants to win, but im asking, how much and what price does he want to pay to win those championships, thats my point;

if which he is dedicated as he is in golf, just think if he put more effort possibly into football when ota's are here, and football season, think of what the possibilities are;

The skits, Cabo trip, Journey songs, and his general over-exposure ultimately create a negative perception when he fails to win on the field. He needs to engage in combating the perception that he's aloof about football. I don't care that he does these things, he just needs to communicate to others that those things are secondary to winning football games. Winning might be the only cure at this point.

But the golf thing is a real distraction. I don't care who you are being good at golf takes time and dedication. Being elite at it takes all your time and total dedication. Romo is trying to compete at the highest levels. He has to recognize that for the distraction it truly is.

 

[cowboyjoe]

The skits, Cabo trip, Journey songs, and his general over-exposure ultimately create a negative perception when he fails to win on the field. He needs to engage in combating the perception that he's aloof about football. I don't care that he does these things, he just needs to communicate to others that those things are secondary to winning football games. Winning might be the only cure at this point.

But the golf thing is a real distraction. I don't care who you are being good at golf takes time and dedication. Being elite at it takes all your time and total dedication. Romo is trying to compete at the highest levels. He has to recognize that for the distraction it truly is.

very good point, i think someone said it best when they interviewed romo after what he said after the phily game trying to show him, they want him to bleed blue like the cowboys fans do; i think romo does to a degree, now he will fight you tooth and nail romo will but like you said above, that football is his first love now, and he wants to be a champion, i think he wants that too, but he needs to say it, and get that across;

 

[Apollo Creed]

I put a lot of blame on our secondary last year, they didn't force nearly enough turnovers. With the amount of pressure we put on the QB, you'd expect some balls to go the other way.

Thats the unit I expect to be the most improved. Sensabaugh will add some much needed athleticism. Jenkins will be the most improved player on our team IMO. Scandrick is only going to get better. My only question mark is Newman is staying healthy.

 

[dcfanatic]

very true. Even lawrence taylor said so.

Yeah, right after he snorted a line of coke off her ***.

 

[dcfanatic]

If not for your continuous updates and media you would be on the same par with the Judas' of the world. It seems like every thread I click on you're in some petty argument.

Put

me

on

ignore.

Thanks.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Yeah, right after he snorted a line of coke off her ***.

lol DC he probably did;

i heard romo had another bad day DC, whats up?
Coachable WR Roy Williams and Tony Romo didn't appear to be on the same page today. After Romo dumped off a pass in the flat to Witten, Williams made sure to let his QB know he was open on an out route on opposite side of the field. Williams waved his hands after the play and shrieked, "Yee-yee! Yee-yee! Yee-yee!" while strolling back to the huddle. During red-zone drills later, Romo zipped a pass too high for Williams to handle on a crossing route in the front of the end zone.


*Romo had a rough early portion of the practice. During team drills, he missed an open Witten three times -- leading him too far on a seam route once, skipping an out and throwing another out high and behind his buddy. That combo got clicking later in practice, when Witten caught a handful of passes, highlighted by a seam route for a TD between safeties Ken Hamlin and Gerald Sensabaugh.