ESPN Dallas: Phillips' message to Williams is too late

WoodysGirl;3288892 said:
By Calvin Watkins

From the scouting combine, Cowboys coach Wade Phillips said wide receiver Roy Williams' starting job isn't fully guaranteed.

Phillips said if Patrick Crayton or Kevin Ogletree or even somebody else knocks Williams out of a starting job, so be it.

"We are going to play the best player, no matter what," Phillips said.
Calvin Watkins does not quote Wade Phillips saying, "Roy Williams' starting job isn't fully guaranteed".

He does not quote Phillips saying, "Patrick Crayton or Kevin Ogletree or even somebody else knocks Williams out of a starting job".

However, he does quote Phillips saying, "We are going to play the best player, no matter what".

That's good, solid journalism right there.




The hell it is. Stir the pot, Watkins. Stir the pot.
 
NextGenBoys;3288916 said:
Why change now?

Simple.

You demote Roy mid-season, and you risk ruining his already fragile psyche, and rendering him near useless for the remainder of the season if he has no confidence.

Coaching professional athletes is more than just X's and O's. It's about managing your players. I agree 100% with the way Wade handled it, and he is doing the right thing in this situation as well.

Isn't that what happened?
 
ThreeSportStar80;3288897 said:
:horse:

Bottom line is Jerry shouldn't have forked over that kind of money to Roy Williams who was always overrated in my book.


I'm with you on that one brother. I don't think he is that good and certainly not worth the $ we are paying him. Jerry was enamored with him and took the bait, line and sinker that Detroit dangled out there.

:bang2:
 
TheSport78;3288946 said:
Watkins is an idiot. He claims Williams' job wasn't on the line last season even though when we began to make our playoff push, Roy's opportunities and plays on the field were diminished and everyone saw it. So yes, Williams' job was on the line last season; he was essentially the 5th option behind Austin, Witten, Crayton and Ogletree.

Is Roy quoted with saying he doesn't "trust" Jason Garrett? No.

Is there a quote by Roy saying how he isn't enamored with Tony Romo? No.

Oh, I guess Watkins can read Roy's mind as well.

And this guy gets paid to write articles like this? There's ESPN for you.

Totally agree.

Working at ESPN, it comes with the territory.

Stirring controversy is a mandate there. Journalistic integrity goes out the window.

I just hope his paycheck is worth it.

And Watkins is totally off-base criticizing the move.

I think it's the perfect way to go about it at this point.

And not only at that position either.

Colombo and Adams should be worrying about Free taking their jobs as well.
 
NextGenBoys;3288916 said:
Why change now?

Simple.

You demote Roy mid-season, and you risk ruining his already fragile psyche, and rendering him near useless for the remainder of the season if he has no confidence.

Coaching professional athletes is more than just X's and O's. It's about managing your players. I agree 100% with the way Wade handled it, and he is doing the right thing in this situation as well.

I agree with this. They gave him every chance in the world to acquit himself & he didn't do it. As much as I hated to watch him out there last year, I understand the reasons for not making a change mid season. That said, I believe Wade has just taken a huge step in the right direction. Forget the better late than never theory... The judgment of timeliness is exactly that... simply a judgment.. an opinion. In speaking of present time, this is exactly the right thing for Wade to say and do.
 
Wade never demotes in season unless he is virtually backed into a corner. If Williams wasn't injured in Denver, I doubt that Miles Austin would have ever seen the field as a starter. Come to think of it, that injury might have actually saved Wade's job.
 
"Williams doesn't trust offensive coordinator Jason Garrett and isn't that enamored with quarterback Tony Romo. Whether Phillips pushes Williams or not, the wide receiver has issues with his offensive coordinator and quarterback."

Does Watkins have a quote from Williams on that? Maybe it's the other way around.

And as playing Williams, when you pay someone that kind of money, you give them plenty of opertunity to justify it before writing them off.
 
NextGenBoys;3288916 said:
Why change now?

Simple.

You demote Roy mid-season, and you risk ruining his already fragile psyche, and rendering him near useless for the remainder of the season if he has no confidence.

Coaching professional athletes is more than just X's and O's. It's about managing your players. I agree 100% with the way Wade handled it, and he is doing the right thing in this situation as well.

I don't see it that way. RW is a big boy. The signal is we aren't going to wait for him to step up. Last year it was let's get the QB and the WR on the same page. This year it's you'd better be on the same page day one.

Kudos to Wade.
 
WoodysGirl;3288892 said:
Williams doesn't trust offensive coordinator Jason Garrett and isn't that enamored with quarterback Tony Romo.
Send his lame self to the browns or Buffalo where he can not be "enamored" with a non-top QB. I'm sure the feeling is mutual anyway.
 
Wouldn't be a news article without posting Williams' salary numbers.

Why can't journalists ever just write about the X's and O's?
 
ogletree, the next terry glenn....roy williams will be the #4 this year...mark it down
 
"We are going to play the best player, no matter what," Phillips said.

That entire article is built around a single quote with zero context. The rest is conjecture and opinion.

Watkins is a no-talent lying ******* who's creating news instead of reporting it.

:enough:
 
I think Wade has had his say with Jerry on this topic and my guess is that he put his foot down (to some degree) to have his way. ...and now actually has the cred to pull it off.

FWIW, I have not given up on Roy, but it gives the coach more power to not feel obilgated to give someone minutes due to his contract.
 
jobberone;3289066 said:
I don't see it that way. RW is a big boy. The signal is we aren't going to wait for him to step up. Last year it was let's get the QB and the WR on the same page. This year it's you'd better be on the same page day one.

Kudos to Wade.

Jobber, I agree with your take on things. It is time to take the kid gloves off on the Roy treatment. There are no more excuses - he needs to earn his starting spot this year.
 
casmith07;3289104 said:
Wouldn't be a news article without posting Williams' salary numbers.

Why can't journalists ever just write about the X's and O's?

Because the money spent on RW would be better spent almost anywhere else.
 
Roy will be treated like an undrafted free agent who has to earn playing time? I'll believe it when I see it (and I desperately want to see it).
 
hammer1;3289158 said:
"We are going to play the best player, no matter what," Phillips said.

That entire article is built around a single quote with zero context. The rest is conjecture and opinion.

Watkins is a no-talent lying ******* who's creating news instead of reporting it.

:enough:

:confused::confused::confused: How?

Care to expand on that at all?
 
Watkins would have been better served to have taken the comment and figured out that the team was still in support of the man for 'some' unimaginable reason to himself. Maybe he still shows enough merit to have credability.

Then using his analysis level, taken it to the Pee Wee League level and considered what benching a starter even at that age might send the message and be received by that very young player. He would either have learned better field applications or just given up. Hey, that is light years removed from the professional level of talent and commitments in the NFL.

To think that he doesn't know the difference between to and too?

If he finds the cost analysis involved in the receiver section too great...maybe he should average it out and see the real picture for Dallas.

So, Roy Williams cost the Cowboys a first, third, and fifth round selection. Well, Miles Austin, Ogletree, Crayton, and Hurd cost Dallas a seventh round selection.

Now, just going on cost of acquisition, you have a receiver group of:

Miles Austin
Roy Williams
Patrick Crayton
Sam Hurd
Kevin Ogletree
Jason Witten

That cost Dallas, in terms of draft picks:

1-first round pick
2-third round picks
1-fifth round pick
1-seventh round pick

In reality, I think that correlation, using common sense, shows some astoundingly efficient cost to production quality to the receiver group.

Now, maybe more than a residue brain cell form has thus been identified.

Then there is that horendous stumbling block of a salary for Roy Williams. Well, guess what, the brain trust for Dallas didn't trip on issues there either.

Miles Austin was All Pro last season and only cost Dallas in the neighborhood of under $2M. Crayton? Witten? Hurd? Ogletree?

For what Dallas has at receiver, I just wonder if it is any higher than teams with comparable productions from their receivers. What about a team such as Arizona? Maybe someone would care to do the work of salaries and cross league comparisons, just to put perspectives into some of the rampant associations and attitudes floating around as to base levels of organizational intelligence in operation in today's Dallas Cowboys franchise. I dare say here and now, the average amounts for Dallas receivers isn't on the high side of ledgers even here.

Now what is blindly being used as a stereotyping and attitude based view directly reflecting disappointment in a very low level of fan attachments?

I think this article at least, was another band wagon type of '*****' tossing...

You coach by giving standard, holding to those standards, and then coaching players up to those standards. Kind of sounds like Wade Phillips was being a coach.

It sounds like Roy Williams should be listening...also.:rolleyes:
 
DallasEast;3288993 said:
Calvin Watkins does not quote Wade Phillips saying, "Roy Williams' starting job isn't fully guaranteed".

He does not quote Phillips saying, "Patrick Crayton or Kevin Ogletree or even somebody else knocks Williams out of a starting job".

However, he does quote Phillips saying, "We are going to play the best player, no matter what".

That's good, solid journalism right there.




The hell it is. Stir the pot, Watkins. Stir the pot.

You can't be serious? Do you know what citing is? LoL I miss the zone.
 
Here's the quote in context.

By DAVID MOORE / The Dallas Morning News
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INDIANAPOLIS – Wade Phillips said his confidence in receiver Roy Williams remains high.

The Cowboys coach also stressed that Williams, and the staff, must continue to work this off-season to figure out how to make him more effective.

"He knows that, we know that and we keep working," Phillips said.

Phillips acknowledged that Williams will always be held to a high standard because he's a former first-round pick and the Cowboys gave up so much to acquire him. The unexpected rise of Miles Austin didn't help with the perception of Williams.

"Miles has come so far," Phillips said. "Nobody knew he would be that good. He's got to maintain and try to do better.

"Roy's got to get to that level again. Part of it could be us. I'm not saying it's him."

Owner Jerry Jones has already said the coaches need to find better ways to use Williams. As for the opinion that Patrick Crayton or rookie Kevin Ogletree should have been starting over Williams by the end of the season, Phillips said, "I don't think that was true."

What if Crayton, Ogletree or another receiver performs at a higher level than Williams entering next season?

"We're going to play the best player no matter what," Phillips said.
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