ESPN: DeMarcus Ware to have surgery

[jterrell]

Lol Ware has already said he's not taking a paycut. Where are you reading he said he is?

He said he would a day before he said he wouldn't. lol.
Agent pretty clearly told him to shut his pie hole about that.

 

[Nirvana]

Lol Ware has already said he's not taking a paycut. Where are you reading he said he is?

I'm admittedly doing a bit of tea leaf reading here but he appears to have softened on the point based on the quotes from today (already mentioned above.) With the growing noise about cutting him, it's a natural response to be willing to bargain and come off the position that may get him uprooted from a good thing. I think he's been willing to all along but his agent was telling him what to say before re: restructuring. His agent doesn't have to worry about the kids in school and moving from Dallas, etc. though.

 

[texbumthelife]

He said he's been dealing with it for 2 years so... If one complete offseason doesn't do it why would he even start to think it would help after another year of beating on it and playing with it?

Clearly he doesn't. He is having surgery.

 

[jterrell]

summing up key facts so we hopefully collectively stop sounding like goofballs with our heads up our butts.

--Ware announced his surgery was scheduled ~6 weeks after he played the final game of the regular season.
--Ware has missed 3 games in HIS ENTIRE CAREER
--Ware's sack numbers and all associated pressure stats fell considerably in 2013.
--Ware's 2013 pressure numbers PER GAME were still top 25% of NFL starters. (14/64)
--The maximum cap space move is a salary reduction combined with restructure to a minimum base
--Dallas does not have the cap space to wait until June to move Ware's bonus money.
--It creates 1 million more cap space in 2014 by restructuring Ware than it does cutting him Pre-June 1st.

 

[ragman]

I don't understand why pro athletes wait to have surgery when they know it has to be done. Dirk Nowitzki did the same thing with the Mavs with his knee.

Mike Fisher of 105.3 The Fan this morning suggested the following concerning Ware's contract. Give him $7 million guaranteed money in 2014 and $7 million in unguaranteed money in 2015.

Thoughts?

 

[Corso]

summing up key facts so we hopefully collectively stop sounding like goofballs with our heads up our butts.

--Ware announced his surgery was scheduled ~6 weeks after he played the final game of the regular season.
--Ware has missed 3 games in HIS ENTIRE CAREER
--Ware's sack numbers and all associated pressure stats fell considerably in 2013.
--Ware's 2013 pressure numbers PER GAME were still top 25% of NFL starters. (14/64)
--The maximum cap space move is a salary reduction combined with restructure to a minimum base
--Dallas does not have the cap space to wait until June to move Ware's bonus money.
--It creates 1 million more cap space in 2014 by restructuring Ware than it does cutting him Pre-June 1st.

Sounds like an imminent restructure to me.
It would be very nice if they can get him to reduce his salary along with it, but we have no choice but to wait and see on that front.

 

[Reality]

Dallas actually tracked highest amongst pressure at WDE and also in adjusted line yards allowed. (tho both slightly below league average)
Ware was actually their highest rated pressure player.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl

Advanced NFL stats show Ware was actually the 14th highest rated DE on a per game basis in the league.
http://wp.advancednflstats.com/defenderstats.php?pos=DE

Keep in mind these are historical lows for Ware who was clearly fighting through multiple injuries.

In games where the Cowboys needed a stop on third down, a single blocker kept him from getting pressure on the quarterback, which is his primary job on passing plays.

Just quoting in case you missed what I said.

 

[jterrell]

I don't understand why pro athletes wait to have surgery when they know it has to be done. Dirk Nowitzki did the same thing with the Mavs with his knee.

Mike Fisher of 105.3 The Fan this morning suggested the following concerning Ware's contract. Give him $7 million guaranteed money in 2014 and $7 million in unguaranteed money in 2015.

Thoughts?

anyone here ever had non-emergency elective surgery?

it takes time.
you get diagnosed, often wait a couple weeks for a second diagnoses then schedule something that fits the doc's/hospital sched a few weeks out.

ware had 3 or 4 issues... this was 1 of them. he's having the surgery plenty "early" in the off-season.

nfl players have exit interviews than a PRE-scheduled vacation unwinding period.
they also see doctors and make plans for the off-season as a whole.
this is really being blown insanely out of proportion.
this isnt brian waters having a surgery close or camp or anything of the sort.

the nfl is a year-round grind to be sure but like most people they do have a scheduled vacation period.
for NFL players it is January and February. they PLAN to let their bodies rest/heal in this time.


As to Fish: didn't hear that but completely unrealistic if as described.

You could legitimately offer Ware 7 mil this year and 7 mil next year if you FULLY guarantee both years.
He'd be taking a 5m pay cut for 2 additonal million guaranteed.
I'd never advise taking that deal were I his agent but it is a fair first offer.

More likely it would take about 9m guaranteed this year and also another 9m next.

Trading 18m guaranteed for tearing up his deal and eating 3m a year in salary losses is about right.

Dallas would have to seriously weigh if they wanted to do that deal.
Ware would have to weigh if he wants to take that deal.
Those are the type of balanced deals that get done.

 

[Corso]

Just quoting in case you missed what I said.

It was so noticeable that Michael Irvin felt compelled to make a direct quote about not ever having to worry about that with Haley.

 

[jterrell]

Just quoting in case you missed what I said.

you can say anything you like, have any actual evidence of this occurring?
or any evidence of how that relates to any other DE in football?

 

[CyberB0b]

Neither do you...

Exactly why I wouldn't try to question his motives.

 

[jterrell]

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/8257639/dallas-cowboys-demarcus-ware-never-stops-learning
excerted from 2012 article.

There are all sorts of criticisms surrounding Ware. He supposedly doesn't get enough fourth-quarter sacks. He doesn't get enough third-down sacks. He's not dangerous enough.

Since 2005, Ware has 99.5 sacks, most in the NFL in that span. Twenty-six of those came in the fourth quarter, a half-sack more than his first-quarter total.

Third down? Ware has 36 sacks on third down, more than in any other situation.

Dangerous enough? He's got eight sacks in the defensive red zone.

What does Jason Garrett think about his most dangerous player? "He wants to be great," the Cowboys' coach says.

Ware is just one sack from becoming the 28th player in league history to reach 100.

If you compare Ware's numbers to the all-time greats of the game, it stuns you. Reggie White reached 100 sacks in 96 games. Bruce Smith needed 115. Lawrence Taylor 122. Richard Dent 130, Jason Taylor 148 and Charles Haley 166.

Ware has played in 112 games.

Some contemporaries have similar numbers. Jared Allen reached 100 sacks in 122 games. Dwight Freeney needed 146, Julius Peppers 154.

 

[CyberB0b]

It was so noticeable that Michael Irvin felt compelled to make a direct quote about not ever having to worry about that with Haley.

Yeah, because no team ever converted on 3rd downs in his day. Anyways, I think it's time to cut Ware and move on.

 

[Nirvana]

Similar boat:

 

[jterrell]

Similar boat:

Smith has averaged 6 sacks a season for the past 3 years.
He is no where near Ware's class as a player.
He has roughly half of Ware's career sack total.

But he is a similar age and overpaid. So there is that.

 

[Corso]

Yeah, because no team ever converted on 3rd downs in his day. Anyways, I think it's time to cut Ware and move on.

Sure- he was being hyperbolic, but you take it literal and be a butt about it.
See how far that gets you.
I'm saying that the issue of this defense getting the other team off the field was so bad- people in the business, people with history with the team were making pointed comments about it.

 

[CyberB0b]

Sure- he was being hyperbolic, but you take it literal and be a butt about it.
See how far that gets you.
I'm saying that the issue of this defense getting the other team off the field was so bad- people in the business, people with history with the team were making pointed comments about it.

Yeah, that had nothing to do with guys like Everette Brown, Nick Hayden, Corey Irvin, Frank Kearse, and George Selvie playing next to him.

If the Cowboys had properly staffed the team, they probably could have kept Ware rested when he got hurt early in the season. He went out there and played hurt and scarified his body to try to give the team a chance to win. By the end of the season, there was no one else left to play for Ware.

 

[jterrell]

Sure- he was being hyperbolic, but you take it literal and be a butt about it.
See how far that gets you.
I'm saying that the issue of this defense getting the other team off the field was so bad- people in the business, people with history with the team were making pointed comments about it.

Irvin did say that.
And that perception does exist but stats say Haley was wholly overrated here in Dallas.
He was merely the best pass rusher on the NFL's deepest and best DL.
But Dallas won a lot of games with Haley out.

In 1993 when Dallas had arguably the greatest football team ever assembled, Charles Haley contributed a mere 4 sacks.
He had a mere 10 total sacks his first two seasons combined.

In 1995 he was a good player still but he never played in the regular season after week 10.
Haley had 2.5 sacks total in the playoffs for Dallas during the dynasty.

Demarcus Ware has 4 sacks in the 4 career playoff games he's played in including 2 sacks in the only Dallas playoff victory this century.

 

[Nightman]

The main problem is that Dallas has to decide by March 11th what to do with Ware. That is the day they need to be under the cap. They can get under without addressing Ware, but they will have little money to maneuver in Free Agency. Even an incentive laden deal doesn't help the team very much if those incentives are reachable. They still have to be accounted for eventually.

The easy choice is restructuring his full 12.75m and hoping for a rebound
The best choice is a 50% pay cut, guaranteeing 2015 against everything but injury and then they could still possibly restructure
An outright release in March helps 2014 and 2015 the most in FA and rebuilding
A June 1st release isn't a good option because the cap money isn't available until June 2nd, but it creates the most money for 2014
A trade doesn't seem possible at this point with the surgery
The worst case scenario is a restructure and Ware isn't able to fully recover and misses time throughout camp and the season, again

 

[burmafrd]

It was so noticeable that Michael Irvin felt compelled to make a direct quote about not ever having to worry about that with Haley.

which of course is BS because haley did not really make all that many plays