ESPN: DeMarcus Ware to have surgery

[Nirvana]

He was taking plays off due to the quad injury. He took a few games off then when he came back, he was still pulling himself out of several plays due to the quad. Also, lets not forget the neck injury as well that has plagued him. The guys body is broken down. Something else is going to pop up next year.

A compromise I hope we at least achieve is a new contract that lowers his cap number this season and that has incentives to reach 12 million, rather than guarantees it. Sack totals and games played would be two incentives I'd like to see in the contract. If he gets less than 10 sacks, for example, then he would get considerably less money. This way Ware is not necessarily taking a pay cut, and gives him extra motivation to get and stay healthy.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

I'm honestly tired of players getting paid big contracts and not doing what they can to put themselves in a position to earn that money. I really like players like Austin, Romo, Ware, Spencer, etc. (they have not only been great players, but also great people), but they need to get back on the field especially by the start of training camp so they can get ready for the season and, more importantly, play at the level they are capable of for the whole season (16+ games).

This. I get the feeling that past performance gives them a sense of entitlement; whether they perform well and earn their present salary seems irrelevant.

 

[LatinMind]

The plays you saw him "taking off" may have been caused by the elbow pain. And a lot of NFL players are hurting by the end of the season. The problem with cutting him is the 8 mill in dead money this season and the dead money amount (?) for next season. You aren't gaining much by cutting him vs. a restructure. The salary cap will be several million higher next year, and we'll be able to absorb the remainder of his contract money more easily.

Like I said I would love for Ware to take a pay cut, but what if he doesn't? That's a tough decision, and I agree to some degree on your views, but I'm more inclined to take a chance on this. I disagree that anybody can guarantee he is plagued with injuries.

One thing I can guarantee is that Rod Marinelli wants him on the team.

If Dallas cuts him before at the start of the new league yr Dallas wouldnt owe Ware nothing in 2015. The difference between cutting Ware at the start of the league yr as opposed to restructuring Ware is 1 million dollars. Meaning Dallas would have around 1 million less this yr to spend.

So you restructure ware you gain alot of room.
You cut Ware you have 1 million less this yr, but you free up something like 14 mil in 2015.

 

[Nirvana]

If Dallas cuts him before at the start of the new league yr Dallas wouldnt owe Ware nothing in 2015. The difference between cutting Ware at the start of the league yr as opposed to restructuring Ware is 1 million dollars. Meaning Dallas would have around 1 million less this yr to spend.

So you restructure ware you gain alot of room.
You cut Ware you have 1 million less this yr, but you free up something like 14 mil in 2015.

Ok, so let's say you are a coach on the Cowboys and know you have one year left on your contract. It's results or else. There is not a coach on the team that will lobby to cut Ware. Jerry and Stephen love Ware and he has earned his money over the years for the most part, a future Hall of Famer and Ring of Honor guy who will get his number retired. Add all this up, and he'll be back next season one way or the other.

 

[LatinMind]

Ok, so let's say you are a coach on the Cowboys and know you have one year left on your contract. It's results or else. There is not a coach on the team that will lobby to cut Ware. Jerry and Stephen love Ware and he has earned his money over the years for the most part, a future Hall of Famer and Ring of Honor guy who will get his number retired. Add all this up, and he'll be back next season one way or the other.

I actually think theres something behind the scenes. This surgery announcement came out of nowhere. Maybe the Cowboys told him take a pay cut or we might have to weigh our options. Ware might be thinking he needs to get this fixed to be able to pass a teams physical

 

[Corso]

[quote="CyberB0b, post: 5445541, member: 34412"}It's not like OTAs start tomorrow. Him delaying the surgery a week isn't going to effect his playing time 7 months from now. For all you know, they were waiting for some swelling to go down before they decide to cut him open.[/quote]

Then he would have said so.
I would have said so, so people understand. So Jerry understands.
He said many other things on the subject so he's not keeping the situation private any longer...
Why wouldn't say so?

 

[Redball Express]

A compromise I hope we at least achieve is a new contract that lowers his cap number this season and that has incentives to reach 12 million, rather than guarantees it. Sack totals and games played would be two incentives I'd like to see in the contract. If he gets less than 10 sacks, for example, then he would get considerably less money. This way Ware is not necessarily taking a pay cut, and gives him extra motivation to get and stay healthy.

dont think this will happen.

These STARS like Ware thinks hes worth .5 mil a sack.

They are not like Doug Free..

 

[Nirvana]

dont think this will happen.

These STARS like Ware thinks hes worth .5 mil a sack.

They are not like Doug Free..

Hot off the press:

On Tuesday, Ware said there haven’t been any talks about either option yet but that he knows reaching some kind of agreement is needed for the Cowboys to build the best roster possible.

“We need guys here to be on the team for next season to help me out, to help us out, so sometimes you can’t think about a whole bunch of money and then not have anybody there,” Ware said, via Todd Archer of ESPNDallas.com. “You need somebody there by your side, a defensive tackle, a defensive end, a wide receiver. You need to figure it out because the time is now. We need to win. That’s what I get out of playing. I play hurt, bruised up. Some guys don’t play, but I still get out there and play because I don’t care about anything else.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/12/no-contract-talks-for-demarcus-ware-and-cowboys-yet/

 

[LatinMind]

Hot off the press:

On Tuesday, Ware said there haven’t been any talks about either option yet but that he knows reaching some kind of agreement is needed for the Cowboys to build the best roster possible.

“We need guys here to be on the team for next season to help me out, to help us out, so sometimes you can’t think about a whole bunch of money and then not have anybody there,” Ware said, via Todd Archer of ESPNDallas.com. “You need somebody there by your side, a defensive tackle, a defensive end, a wide receiver. You need to figure it out because the time is now. We need to win. That’s what I get out of playing. I play hurt, bruised up. Some guys don’t play, but I still get out there and play because I don’t care about anything else.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/12/no-contract-talks-for-demarcus-ware-and-cowboys-yet/

Then its time to think about the team. Take the pay cut.

 

[Nirvana]

Then its time to think about the team. Take the pay cut.

Interestingly, his statement here implies he is willing to do that. This is great news.

 

[Nirvana]

More articles on Ware today. Another good quote:

Ware’s seven straight seasons with at least 11 sacks have people always expecting more. That’s fair. He expects more. The Cowboys expect more.

But back to the sound of Ware’s voice. Not that he has lacked motivation, but he sounded like a guy ready to prove people wrong; that he is not done and age is not catching up to him. The Cowboys have to weigh whether 2013 was the end or just a down year.

The nightmare would be to see Ware in another uniform in 2014 and returning to Pro Bowl form with a season filled with sacks.

“People are going to doubt you regardless,” Ware said. “Let’s say you had a 20-sack season, it’s ‘Can he do it again?’ One year you had 19 sacks. Can you do it again? One year you had 15 sacks. Can you do it again? It’s going to be that every year. I’m going to be healthy. I’m going to shut my mouth and be quiet and let my work on the field characterize who I am. I’m not going to sit here and talk about what I’m going to do. I’m going behind the scenes and do what I need to do and get the job done, and at the end of the day there’s going to be a bandwagon everybody needs to jump back on.”

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4724395/demarcus-ware-more-motivated-than-ever

 

[Bullflop]

Ware should be willing to face the reality that he's been seriously overpaid for the production he's been able to offer for the past two years. If Doug Free can take a salary cut, Ware should rightfully be no exception. Holding his team hostage because of their plight on defense isn't symptomatic of someone who has his team's best interest at heart. While it's admirable that he saw fit to play hurt, the reality is that doing so isn't worth the cost.

 

[LatinMind]

Interestingly, his statement here implies he is willing to do that. This is great news.

It implies he knows the cap situation and knows he can help the cap by lowering his cap hit. Restructuring without losing any of his money. He's not thinking about a paycut but a restructure.

 

[Reality]

More articles on Ware today. Another good quote:

Ware’s seven straight seasons with at least 11 sacks have people always expecting more. That’s fair. He expects more. The Cowboys expect more.

But back to the sound of Ware’s voice. Not that he has lacked motivation, but he sounded like a guy ready to prove people wrong; that he is not done and age is not catching up to him. The Cowboys have to weigh whether 2013 was the end or just a down year.

The nightmare would be to see Ware in another uniform in 2014 and returning to Pro Bowl form with a season filled with sacks.

“People are going to doubt you regardless,” Ware said. “Let’s say you had a 20-sack season, it’s ‘Can he do it again?’ One year you had 19 sacks. Can you do it again? One year you had 15 sacks. Can you do it again? It’s going to be that every year. I’m going to be healthy. I’m going to shut my mouth and be quiet and let my work on the field characterize who I am. I’m not going to sit here and talk about what I’m going to do. I’m going behind the scenes and do what I need to do and get the job done, and at the end of the day there’s going to be a bandwagon everybody needs to jump back on.”

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4724395/demarcus-ware-more-motivated-than-ever

Ware only had 6 sacks last season, but the sacks are not what I'm concerned about. In games where the Cowboys needed a stop on third down, a single blocker kept him from getting pressure on the quarterback, which is his primary job on passing plays. I would take a lot of quarterback pressures and 8-10 sacks from him at this point in his career over fewer pressures and 20 sacks.

 

[jterrell]

If Dallas cuts him before at the start of the new league yr Dallas wouldnt owe Ware nothing in 2015. The difference between cutting Ware at the start of the league yr as opposed to restructuring Ware is 1 million dollars. Meaning Dallas would have around 1 million less this yr to spend.

So you restructure ware you gain alot of room.
You cut Ware you have 1 million less this yr, but you free up something like 14 mil in 2015.

You don't free up 14m in 2015 because you were never eating 14m for him in 2015. He only currently has 5m in dead money for 2015.
That will rise after a restructure of any sort. But by next year you can (hopefully) look at June 1st options.

But yes you pay 1m more to lose him than to keep him this year if handled in March.

This year you hopefully restructure him down with a pay decrease of about 3m. OR you may have to simply restructure him as is.
You keep him one season and let him play what is essentially a contract year and see what you can get out of him then.
A second year of single digit sacks would wreck his open market value.
And he'd hit free agency at an advanced age for a pass rusher.

 

[Corso]

Interestingly, his statement here implies he is willing to do that. This is great news.

That would be terrific.

 

[LatinMind]

You don't free up 14m in 2015 because you were never eating 14m for him in 2015. He only currently has 5m in dead money for 2015.
That will rise after a restructure of any sort. But by next year you can (hopefully) look at June 1st options.

But yes you pay 1m more to lose him than to keep him this year if handled in March.

This year you hopefully restructure him down with a pay decrease of about 3m. OR you may have to simply restructure him as is.
You keep him one season and let him play what is essentially a contract year and see what you can get out of him then.
A second year of single digit sacks would wreck his open market value.
And he'd hit free agency at an advanced age for a pass rusher.

if you look at over the cap if you just cut ware. you go from 4.4 mil over the cap to 13 mil under the cap. So thats actually more than 14 mil.

 

[Nirvana]

It implies he knows the cap situation and knows he can help the cap by lowering his cap hit. Restructuring without losing any of his money. He's not thinking about a paycut but a restructure.

Actually, he said he can't be thinking about a bunch of money when the team has a need to sign other players as well. If he restructured only, he gets a bunch of money up front by way of signing bonus, and no less than before. So it implies more than just being willing to restructure.

 

[LatinMind]

Actually, he said he can't be thinking about a bunch of money when the team has a need to sign other players as well. If he restructured only, he gets a bunch of money up front by way of signing bonus, and no less than before. So it implies more than just being willing to restructure.

Lol Ware has already said he's not taking a paycut. Where are you reading he said he is?

 

[jterrell]

Ware only had 6 sacks last season, but the sacks are not what I'm concerned about. In games where the Cowboys needed a stop on third down, a single blocker kept him from getting pressure on the quarterback, which is his primary job on passing plays. I would take a lot of quarterback pressures and 8-10 sacks from him at this point in his career over fewer pressures and 20 sacks.

Dallas actually tracked highest amongst pressure at WDE and also in adjusted line yards allowed. (tho both slightly below league average)
Ware was actually their highest rated pressure player.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl

Advanced NFL stats show Ware was actually the 14th highest rated DE on a per game basis in the league.
http://wp.advancednflstats.com/defenderstats.php?pos=DE

Keep in mind these are historical lows for Ware who was clearly fighting through multiple injuries.