ESPN: Four Cowboys on decade's 25 most overrated players

Alexander

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Well, only three if you don't count Brooking:

11. Keith Brooking: A good outside linebacker whose skills don't fit well as a 4-3 middle linebacker, but year after year he was forced back into the middle by injuries to other Falcons linebackers. His biggest problems came in pass coverage, one reason why the Falcons ranked among the worst defenses against opposing tight ends for the entire decade.

12. Flozell Adams: The massive Cowboys left tackle is a good run-blocker, and has to go up against a steady stream of excellent pass-rushers in the NFC East, but his penalty totals are inexcusable. He's among the league leaders in false starts every year, finishing second to Kwame Harris in 2008. It's a problem you normally associate with younger tackles, who either shape up as they get older or get sent out to pasture, but Adams is still a referee's delight at 34 years old.

14. Terence Newman: Newman has been considered a franchise cornerback-in-waiting since he was selected fifth overall in the 2003 draft, but there's no evidence he has played at that level since then. Teams don't avoid him like they do Nnamdi Asomugha, nor does he pick up large totals of passes defended or intercepted to match players like Asante Samuel or Charles Woodson. He's a useful cornerback who's usually effective at keeping plays in front of him, sure, but he's paid like an elite guy, without having established a history of playing like one.

22. Roy Williams (safety): Because conventional wisdom now says that Williams is overrated, he is no longer overrated, but you may be so used to thinking of him as overrated that you forget when he actually was overrated from 2003 to 2007, in which, despite his subpar pass coverage skills, he somehow made five straight Pro Bowls over players like Adrian Wilson and Mike Minter.


The rest of the list:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insi...espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=4269800
 

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Alexander;2825167 said:
Well, only three if you don't count Brooking:

11. Keith Brooking: A good outside linebacker whose skills don't fit well as a 4-3 middle linebacker, but year after year he was forced back into the middle by injuries to other Falcons linebackers. His biggest problems came in pass coverage, one reason why the Falcons ranked among the worst defenses against opposing tight ends for the entire decade.

12. Flozell Adams: The massive Cowboys left tackle is a good run-blocker, and has to go up against a steady stream of excellent pass-rushers in the NFC East, but his penalty totals are inexcusable. He's among the league leaders in false starts every year, finishing second to Kwame Harris in 2008. It's a problem you normally associate with younger tackles, who either shape up as they get older or get sent out to pasture, but Adams is still a referee's delight at 34 years old.

14. Terence Newman: Newman has been considered a franchise cornerback-in-waiting since he was selected fifth overall in the 2003 draft, but there's no evidence he has played at that level since then. Teams don't avoid him like they do Nnamdi Asomugha, nor does he pick up large totals of passes defended or intercepted to match players like Asante Samuel or Charles Woodson. He's a useful cornerback who's usually effective at keeping plays in front of him, sure, but he's paid like an elite guy, without having established a history of playing like one.

22. Roy Williams (safety): Because conventional wisdom now says that Williams is overrated, he is no longer overrated, but you may be so used to thinking of him as overrated that you forget when he actually was overrated from 2003 to 2007, in which, despite his subpar pass coverage skills, he somehow made five straight Pro Bowls over players like Adrian Wilson and Mike Minter.


The rest of the list:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insi...espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=4269800


Ok... other then 04 Newman has been outstanding
 

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Hopefully Newman can stay healthy and put together a solid year, because he's the 2nd most valuable player on our defense and when he's out the lineup we immediately lose the flexibility in our play calling that Newman gives us.
 

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Ren;2825173 said:
Ok... other then 04 Newman has been outstanding

He's really good at what he does. I'll give him that.

But he needs to make a few more plays and stay on the field this year if he really wants to shut his haters up.
 

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Apollo Creed;2825176 said:
He's really good at what he does. I'll give him that.

But he needs to make a few more plays and stay on the field this year if he really wants to shut his haters up.

He does more than enough imo.

I think someone not close to the situation would think he is overrated but if you're a Cowboy fan who has payed any attention at all you have seen him shut down some of the leagues best time and time again.

I would bet not many Corners in history have had a 3 year period like he did as far as not giving upTD's goes.
 

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CATCH17;2825239 said:
He does more than enough imo.

I think someone not close to the situation would think he is overrated but if you're a Cowboy fan who has payed any attention at all you have seen him shut down some of the leagues best time and time again.

I would bet not many Corners in history have had a 3 year period like he did as far as not giving upTD's goes.


Well Nmadi had like 3 int's for his career besides his one big 8 int year. I've posted a few times, but through the same amount of years he is right there with Champ, Clements, Woodson in int's. Yet the writer's don't know that, of course not.

It's easy to say Nmadi doesn't get thrown at. Of course not, he is a damn good player on an awful team... Newman doesn't get thrown at much either. Through the SAME amount of years, newman has double the Int's as Nnamdi. He has defended 33 more passes as well. There is no point debating which of the two is better, bc they are both clearly very good. But I hate when writer's say one player is great b/c of something and then bash another player...

The article about Tony Romo not being Elite for postseason struggle includes two names that stand out... McNabb and Manning. Peyton was awful in the playoffs, and pretty bad in the playoffs even the year they won the SB. Yet he has a ring now and that is all forgiven. McNabb has never won the big game. Ever. I guess "postseason success" just means winning a playoff game to some, to me it means winning it all. So there are a large amount of qb's with postseason struggles.
 

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It's easy to say Nmadi doesn't get thrown at. Of course not, he is a damn good player on an awful team... Newman doesn't get thrown at much either. Through the SAME amount of years, newman has double the Int's as Nnamdi. He has defended 33 more passes as well. There is no point debating which of the two is better, bc they are both clearly very good. But I hate when writer's say one player is great b/c of something and then bash another player...

I agree with the high-lighted portion, but the fact is, the Raiders play way more man, meaning Nmandi has been on an island throughout his career. During the Parcells era, we were always playing cover-2. With Wade going more man though, Newman, if he stays healthy, should have a big year from the statistical point of view in getting INTs.
 

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Who ever said Flo was great he been good but I never considered him great
 

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IDK how a top 5 corner and LT can be considered overrated
 

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I shake my head at the Newman selection— But maybe it will get back to Newman and he'll use it as motivation.
 

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Keith Brooking was the worst pickup we have had in years
 

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Well...

Flo is a good run blocker? This is news to me. Yup, he false starts, no doubt. He is also deaf in one ear....**** happens.

I have also seen him blank the best DEs in this league time and again. So..



Roy Williams was not overated when he was good. The last couple of years, he was pathetic and I think most recognized that.
 

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Ren;2825173 said:
Ok... other then 04 Newman has been outstanding

Newman is the stud player on this team. He does what we ask him to and we have success. Teams do look away from him. The author of the piece is a nimrod.
 

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Alexander;2825167 said:
Well, only three if you don't count Brooking:

11. Keith Brooking: A good outside linebacker whose skills don't fit well as a 4-3 middle linebacker, but year after year he was forced back into the middle by injuries to other Falcons linebackers. His biggest problems came in pass coverage, one reason why the Falcons ranked among the worst defenses against opposing tight ends for the entire decade.

12. Flozell Adams: The massive Cowboys left tackle is a good run-blocker, and has to go up against a steady stream of excellent pass-rushers in the NFC East, but his penalty totals are inexcusable. He's among the league leaders in false starts every year, finishing second to Kwame Harris in 2008. It's a problem you normally associate with younger tackles, who either shape up as they get older or get sent out to pasture, but Adams is still a referee's delight at 34 years old.

14. Terence Newman: Newman has been considered a franchise cornerback-in-waiting since he was selected fifth overall in the 2003 draft, but there's no evidence he has played at that level since then. Teams don't avoid him like they do Nnamdi Asomugha, nor does he pick up large totals of passes defended or intercepted to match players like Asante Samuel or Charles Woodson. He's a useful cornerback who's usually effective at keeping plays in front of him, sure, but he's paid like an elite guy, without having established a history of playing like one.

22. Roy Williams (safety): Because conventional wisdom now says that Williams is overrated, he is no longer overrated, but you may be so used to thinking of him as overrated that you forget when he actually was overrated from 2003 to 2007, in which, despite his subpar pass coverage skills, he somehow made five straight Pro Bowls over players like Adrian Wilson and Mike Minter.

I guess this is what happens when somebody who doesnt watch games decides to make lists.
 

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I'm just waiting for AdamJT to drop the stats and facts to the ESPN guys and of course they'll just ignore that.

Flozell I can understand to a degree as he's somewhat limited in his run blocking and makes a ton of false starts. Roy is Roy and Brooking is like most 4-3 Cover 2 LB's in that he doesn't shed blockers all that well. But the Newman pick is just moronic.




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Alexander;2825167 said:
12. Flozell Adams: The massive Cowboys left tackle is a good run-blocker, and has to go up against a steady stream of excellent pass-rushers in the NFC East, but his penalty totals are inexcusable. He's among the league leaders in false starts every year, finishing second to Kwame Harris in 2008. It's a problem you normally associate with younger tackles, who either shape up as they get older or get sent out to pasture, but Adams is still a referee's delight at 34 years old.

14. Terence Newman: Newman has been considered a franchise cornerback-in-waiting since he was selected fifth overall in the 2003 draft, but there's no evidence he has played at that level since then. Teams don't avoid him like they do Nnamdi Asomugha, nor does he pick up large totals of passes defended or intercepted to match players like Asante Samuel or Charles Woodson. He's a useful cornerback who's usually effective at keeping plays in front of him, sure, but he's paid like an elite guy, without having established a history of playing like one.


Agreed. Newman is a very good CB, but he doesn't make enough "Big Plays" to be considered Elite. Teams don't fear him.
 
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