ESPN: Four Cowboys on decade's 25 most overrated players

[UnoDallas]

and yet Gurode is left off that list

I am still surprised he does not hike the ball to the RB

hell he hits Romo in the face Mask - or makes him move around or jump

it may only be a split second but thats time Romo needs to see what is developing

the other nite they had on the Rams game he hiked the ball an B J had to move over a good yard and half

yea thats pro bowl center for you

Parcells screwed Jerry into thinking he was just fine at center

so he drafted BC an let Mangold go to the Jets

that was one of the biggest mistakes Jerry has made IMO

 

[thechosen1n2]

i hate stupid articles where people who are suppose to be experts only look at the surface. Terrence went over 20 games without giving up a TD, and who cares if you get 6 picks if you give up 5 other TDs gambling on more picks.

 

[28 Joker]

wait till #41gy see's this:laugh2:

I just fell out of my chair.

I'm back.

Aim.

Fire.

This Nnamdi Asomugha stuff is getting a little ridiculous.

He certainly is one of the best, but the media is creating this imaginary gap between him and some of the other top CBs in the NFL, imo.

I'm surprised he's getting crowned the best, because he only has 10 career interceptions. That is what the media normaly looks at. Terence Newman has 20 career interceptions, and he has been consistently great and over looked by the media.

Now, he's overrated. Oh. I don't think so. In fact, it's the exact opposite. Newman is underrated, except for the people that really know football. Thanks for helping me prove my point, you big ESPN dummy.

The media crowned Champ Bailey and hyped him up and compared him to Deion Sanders. Bailey is/was good, but he was never as good as the media hyped him up to be.

Yes. Asomugha is tough to throw against, but he didn't even start until 2005. Furthermore, he was drafted in 2003. He has been a late bloomer. Newman has been consistently great since he was drafted in 2003. Newman's average YPA (during his career) has been better than Asomugha's (Joyner/Vela), and Newman has twice the picks of Asomugha. Newman's YPA took a hit this year, but he was injured and missed 6 games.

The Oakland Raiders were ranked 31st in run defense.

They gave up 159.7 yards per game. You don't have to throw the ball at him when you can run all over them.

I hope Roy Williams torches him on Thanksgiving.

 

[28 Joker]

Aim.

Fire, two.


Asomugha had 8 interceptions in 2006, but he only has 2 picks in the last 2 years, one each year. He is really good, but I think he's getting the Champ Bailey treatment. He has replaced Bailey in the media's eyes.

On the other hand, Anthony Henry was thrown at 100+ times in 2006 according to Joyner, and that led the league. That was Henry's best year, imo. He hadn't lost a step or two back then. Newman only had one pick that year, but the media didn't take note of his talent or overall great play. He had that one tough game against Detroit, but Dallas' defense was in complete disarray. The safeties were playing up, and the CBs were playing safety. Everyone was lost. I can count the number of TDs Newman has given up since 2005 on one hand. In 2005 and 2007, he didn't give up a TD according to my recollection.

I've heard some in the media say, "Asomugha only has one interception, because they don't throw at him".

To those guys in the media, I would say this.

Well, there's a guy in Dallas who has been there and done that, and the media looked the other way. They helped send DeAngelo Hall to the Pro Bowl, twice.

By the way, the NFL just threw at Hall while he was in Oakland until they cut his butt.

 

[28 Joker]

Aim.

Fire, three.


Pro Football Weekly's 2009 survey of GMs, NFL Scouts, and NFL personnel people rated Terence Newman at number 5 in their poll or survey that ranked the cornerbacks in the NFL. For the mathematically challenged at ESPN.com, that is in the top 5.

The cornerbacks were rated according to four criteria:

1. Performance in 2008
2. Potential
3. Value to Team
4. Career Performance

D= Declining
U= Upside

4 players tied for 9th with the same rating.


Here were the results:

1. Nnamdi Asomugha
2. Champ Bailey D
3. Asante Samuel
4. Darrelle Revis
5. Terence Newman
6. Charles Woodson D
7. Corey Webster
8. Antoine Winfield D
9. Cortland Finnegan
9. Antonio Cromartie U
9. Chris Gamble
9. Rashean Mathis

Overrate that!

 

[28 Joker]

Here are the interceptions since 2003 for every CB from Pro Football Weekly's survey which was generated from NFL GMs, scouts, and NFL personnel people:

1. Nnamdi Asomugha (10)
2. Champ Bailey (27)
3. Asante Samuel (26)
4. Darelle Revis (8) (2007-2008)
5. Terence Newman (20)
6. Charles Woodson (24)
7. Corey Webster (5) (2005-2008)
8. Antone Winfield (15)
9. Cortland Finnegan (6) (2006-2008)
9. Antonio Cromartie (12) (2006-2008)
9. Chris Gamble (20) (2004-2008)
9. Rasheen Mathis (25)


Pardon Terence Newman for playing in a heavy man coverage scheme in 2006 while Champ Bailey and Asante Samuel were camping next to the sidelines in zone and jumping routes all year. Plus, Terence Newman played with some of the worst safety coverage in the NFL. The FS was the worst coverage in the NFL according to Joyner.

While Samuel and Bailey had their 10 pick seasons in 2006, Newman only had 1 (like the Almighty Asomugha has tallied the past 2 seasons) interception while Anthony Henry was targeted over 100+ times. Henry's 100+ targets led the NFL. He was the most targeted CB in the NFL, according to K.C. Joyner, during the 2006 season.

The 2006 season is the difference in pick totals between Newman, Bailey, and Samuel.

Newman is capable of having an 8-10 interception total, and he will get one if they keep throwing the ball at him when he's on the other team's best guy. Newman had 4 interceptions in his last 7 games of the 2008 season.

Pop quiz:

Who played on the other side of Anthony Henry in 2006, the most targeted CB in the NFL according to K.C. Joyner?

Terence Newman

Ding, ding, ding....

 

[Mansta54]

Who ever said Flo was great he been good but I never considered him great

Big Flo has been better then good, he has been DAMN GOOD and extremely steady. He plays against the opposing teams BEST pass rusher year after year and he handles his man. Don't let the false starts fool ya, Flo has been outstanding.... Alot of fans take him for granted!!!!

 

[Mansta54]

Well...

Flo is a good run blocker? This is news to me. Yup, he false starts, no doubt. He is also deaf in one ear....**** happens.

I have also seen him blank the best DEs in this league time and again. So..



Roy Williams was not overated when he was good. The last couple of years, he was pathetic and I think most recognized that.

Amen!!!

 

[Prossman]

first off brooking won't be asked to be our nickle lb. I totally dissagree on newman being overrated. Flozell is a above average LT. his problem is he never really stepped out and dominated like you want your lt to do.Roy williams was over rated. He looked great until woodson retired and was exposed from that point forward. Prossman

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Keith Brooking was the worst pickup we have had in years

It's just good ol' Wade doing something for the boys from his past.
He feels he can stock the Cowboys with "his guys" at the expense of talent and production.
Talk about dead wood.
Even if he does become an average player this year, he is long on the tooth and this should not be in the Cowboy's vision of Super Bowl 2011.

By that time, we will have a coach with a backbone and a plan plus a good mixture of youth with a corp of superstars: Romo, Ware, Jenkins, Spencer, ALL OUR RBS, Witten . . . that is a bigger core than Jimma evah had.

So, Brookings is a monument to Wade's stupidity but these happen sometimes.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Lost all credibility with the Newman selection.

Go rewatch the first Skins game. Newman was beaten like a rag doll. I think because Henry is no longer on the team to abuse, Newman will be tested. Also go watch the end of the Steelers game...that catch costed the Cowboys a win. Or the give up tackle against the Ravens at the end.

 

[Mansta54]

and yet Gurode is left off that list

I am still surprised he does not hike the ball to the RB

hell he hits Romo in the face Mask - or makes him move around or jump

it may only be a split second but thats time Romo needs to see what is developing

the other nite they had on the Rams game he hiked the ball an B J had to move over a good yard and half

yea thats pro bowl center for you

Parcells screwed Jerry into thinking he was just fine at center

so he drafted BC an let Mangold go to the Jets

that was one of the biggest mistakes Jerry has made IMO

Dude you've got to be kidding!!! As a center, snapping the ball from the shotgun formation is a very small part of his job, important yes, but very small. Gurode is a beast in the middle of our oline, he has pro bowler skills and blocks his arse off. He's by no means overrated at all, ask Albert Haynesworth about Gurodes skills. You're dogging the man for his snaps and completely overlooking the rest of his game. He's in the top 3 best centers in the game...

 

[bayeslife]

Go rewatch the first Skins game. Newman was beaten like a rag doll. I think because Henry is no longer on the team to abuse, Newman will be tested. Also go watch the end of the Steelers game...that catch costed the Cowboys a win. Or the give up tackle against the Ravens at the end.

They didn't score any points on that drive!

Grrrrrrrr you are the umpteenth person to say that...

 

[Everlastingxxx]

They didn't score any points on that drive!

Grrrrrrrr you are the umpteenth person to say that...

I just rewatched that game a few hours ago. It changed the momentum. Steelers had did nothing, nada, ziltch up until that blown coverage. Newman falls asleep. He is a good corner but could be great if he took it that next level.

 

[Temo]

Go rewatch the first Skins game. Newman was beaten like a rag doll. I think because Henry is no longer on the team to abuse, Newman will be tested. Also go watch the end of the Steelers game...that catch costed the Cowboys a win. Or the give up tackle against the Ravens at the end.

He was playing with a hernia during that Skins game. He had a lapse against the Steelers.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

He was playing with a hernia during that Skins game. He had a lapse against the Steelers.

Another aspect of being an elite corner is staying healthy, something he is having alot of problems with.

 

[28 Joker]

Go rewatch the first Skins game. Newman was beaten like a rag doll. I think because Henry is no longer on the team to abuse, Newman will be tested. Also go watch the end of the Steelers game...that catch costed the Cowboys a win. Or the give up tackle against the Ravens at the end.

Newman got too aggressive on that one play for sure when he bit on an out route, after a pump fake, but like someone else said, the defense picked him up. They put up a goalline stand. That play didn't lose the game. The Steelers walked off the field dejected after they couldn't get in the endzone.

If you want to point at something, why were the CBs playing 8-10 yards off the WRs when the Steelers tied the game, after getting great field position? That allowed Nate Washington to make a play. Newman and rest of the CBs were 8-10 yards off and appeared to be playing zone.

Newman took the Super Bowl MVP all over the field for most of that game, and he gave him one play. Holmes sure didn''t run by him. Newman hesitated, and the Steelers still barely made the play. It was a good throw. Newman was hanging all over him after his mistake. The other play was a perfect throw by a two time Super Bowl quarterback where Holmes dove on a short pass out of bounds and caught the ball.

Champ Bailey and Asante Samuel have given up more deep and intermediate throws in their careers than Newman has, and this ESPN.com guy is smearing Newman's reputation with false accusations. He needs to get his facts straight, and he needs to check K.C. Joyners' YPA stats. Here are Newman's YPA from 2004-2007:

2004: 5.8
2005: 5.8
2006: 7.1
2007: 6.1
AVG: 6.2


Coming into the 2008 season, Newman's YPA average from 2004-2007 was 6.2 YPA. Bailey and Samuel both were out of the top 10. Newman was 2nd, and Asomugha was 10th. Rafael Vela did this analysis. That is much better than some ESPN hack spewing what ever he wants to say and distorting the truth with his Cowboys biased falsehoods.

 

[28 Joker]

He was playing with a hernia during that Skins game. He had a lapse against the Steelers.

Good point.

You would have to get out the 2003 and 2004 tape to look for a time when Newman was beat near the sidelines like those two plays. I can't recall it happening from 2005-2007. The only one that I can recall is one where Burress caught a perfect pass on him in 2006 (in Dallas) near the sidelines (the coverage was really tight; Newman was all over him), but I can't recall anymore. It was a deeper throw and a back shoulder pass. Newman picked Manning off the very next time he threw at him.

Plus, Newman has spent a ton of playing time in man coverage, in the middle of the football field, when he has been in the slot.

Plus, Newman has been and is the best slot CB in the NFL. There is no sideline help when you are playing man coverage in the middle of the field.

I'd like to see Bailey or Samuel try it.

They would get torched.

Bailey couldn't even cover Dallas Clark out of the slot. I watched him try, and Clark put up 100+ yards. Newman shut Clark down when he played him.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

T.Newman is a top CB, these fools are crazy at BSPN.

 

[AdamJT13]

Go rewatch the first Skins game. Newman was beaten like a rag doll.

Here's a question -- how many times in that game did Newman allow a catch that was thrown more than 5 yards downfield?

Also go watch the end of the Steelers game...that catch costed the Cowboys a win.

That catch was virtually irrelevant. And it certainly didn't "costed" the Cowboys the win.