ESPN Insider - Rumors: 3 reasons for Shanahan to DAL

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iceberg;3149190 said:
isn't that against epsn rules?


I don't know. I'm not asking someone to post the article, just a summary. Is that out of bounds? If that's against the rules then disregard this request and let me know because I'll delete the thread.
 

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ESPN Insider - Rumors: 3 reasons for Shanahan to DAL


Let me guess;
1.) Wade's contract is up
2.) Shanahan is available
3.) It makes for a headline

amiright?
 

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rickwil61;3149193 said:
I don't know. I'm not asking someone to post the article, just a summary. Is that out of bounds? If that's against then rules the disregard this request and let me know because I'll delete the thread.

dunno either - i avoid espn for the most part - esp rumormills and gossip designed to trap the average reader. : )

if not the right thing to do a mod will let us know.
 

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What is the fascination with a retread that went 24-24 in his last three years in Denver and only had one playoff win since the 98' Super Bowl appearance?


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I think this is it.

Cowboys for Shanahan?

  • Shanahan wants either the chance to draft a new franchise QB, or a successful QB already in place. Enter Tony Romo.
  • It's been said that Shanahan prefers to have a lot of control over roster-building, and Jerry Jones himself acts as the GM; if Jones does a good enough sell job on Shanahan to have him come coach, one would think that the two men would come to some sort of working compromise with on personnel calls, too.
  • If the Garrett and Phillips firings both go through, there would be an opening for Mike's son Kyle to join him in Big D. At least the moving trucks wouldn't have to go too far, Kyle's currently with the Houston Texans
 

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birdwells1;3149209 said:
I think this is it.

Cowboys for Shanahan?
  • Shanahan wants either the chance to draft a new franchise QB, or a successful QB already in place. Enter Tony Romo.
  • It's been said that Shanahan prefers to have a lot of control over roster-building, and Jerry Jones himself acts as the GM; if Jones does a good enough sell job on Shanahan to have him come coach, one would think that the two men would come to some sort of working compromise with on personnel calls, too.
  • If the Garrett and Phillips firings both go through, there would be an opening for Mike's son Kyle to join him in Big D. At least the moving trucks wouldn't have to go too far, Kyle's currently with the Houston Texans


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Waste of time. Basically the blurb states that Garrett will be fired as well, so Shanahan can bring his son, Kyle, to be OC here.

Jerry will cede some personnel power to Shanny as well.

Shanny wants to go to a spot where there is an established qb or the ability to draft one in this upcoming draft. We have Tony Romo, so its a good fit.


No mention on how Shanahan will get around the fact that he loves zone blocking with small mobile lineman, and wants Bob Slowik to be his DC who runs a 4-3 defense I think. Two things he won't find here.

Personally, I'd rather find a young co-ordinator looking to prove himself than these older SB re-tread coaches.
 

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birdwells1;3149209 said:
I think this is it.

Cowboys for Shanahan?

  • Shanahan wants either the chance to draft a new franchise QB, or a successful QB already in place. Enter Tony Romo.
  • It's been said that Shanahan prefers to have a lot of control over roster-building, and Jerry Jones himself acts as the GM; if Jones does a good enough sell job on Shanahan to have him come coach, one would think that the two men would come to some sort of working compromise with on personnel calls, too.
  • If the Garrett and Phillips firings both go through, there would be an opening for Mike's son Kyle to join him in Big D. At least the moving trucks wouldn't have to go too far, Kyle's currently with the Houston Texans

actually I could live with Kyle Shanny as the OC and maybe future headcoach...he's a pretty decent OC right now...and I like the Houston runs their offense...
 

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birdwells1;3149209 said:
I think this is it.

Cowboys for Shanahan?
  • Shanahan wants either the chance to draft a new franchise QB, or a successful QB already in place. Enter Tony Romo.
  • It's been said that Shanahan prefers to have a lot of control over roster-building, and Jerry Jones himself acts as the GM; if Jones does a good enough sell job on Shanahan to have him come coach, one would think that the two men would come to some sort of working compromise with on personnel calls, too.
  • If the Garrett and Phillips firings both go through, there would be an opening for Mike's son Kyle to join him in Big D. At least the moving trucks wouldn't have to go too far, Kyle's currently with the Houston Texans

I don't think Garrett gets fired however.

The other name to keep in mind with Shanahan is Gary Kubiak. He also would be out of work if things continue as they are in Houston.

He probably could go elsewhere, get the control he wants and not have the impingement of having to absorb Garrett.
 

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craig71;3149208 said:
What is the fascination with a retread that went 24-24 in his last three years in Denver and only had one playoff win since the 98' Super Bowl appearance?


Craig


I hear what you're saying but they were a great team until Elway retired. I'm not comparing Romo to Elway at this point but I think he is better than anbody Denver has had since Elway left.

I think Shanahan might provide a happy medium in the discipline depertment. He'll be tougher than Wade but not as stodgy as Parcells. He has some creativity in the area of offense. He also has 2 superbowls under his belt, so he has been to the big dance and knows what it takes to win. I don't know if he's the answer for Dallas but I think he's worth consideration and I think we have a lot of pieces in place that he could do something with.
 

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If Jerry could co-exist with Parcells, he could get along with anybody ('cept Jimmy Johnson)
 

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I am shocked that Shanny is only 57 years old.

He is only 5 years older than Cowher.
 

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trueblue1687;3149239 said:
If Jerry could co-exist with Parcells, he could get along with anybody ('cept Jimmy Johnson)
We saw how he behaved after Coach Parcells left.

He wasn't discouraged, but relieved. He no longer had to "walk on eggshells". He felt smothered and as we've seen the past three years, he's been more and more comfortable re-assuming the front position in the organization.

I do not see him giving any indication he's ready to step back into the shadows.

The only way Shanahan ends up here is if Jones gets to that stage again like he was in 2002--which is throwing up his hands and asking for help. And paying for it too.

Doubtful.

He'd have to absorb a fairly large hit on a few of the coaching contracts to boot. Garrett, in particular. I don't know about the rest of the staff's status, but that could be an issue.

Shanahan has a stable of coaches that have been waiting for a year to follow him and he'd likely want to add what shakes out of Houston. That is an awful lot of concessions. Jones likes to bargain and he would have the upper hand unless he was desperate to win again. I don't sense he is as driven to do that as people believe. If that is the case, he would have gone on more of a rampage following last season's embarassment. He still thinks he can do it his way and probably with Garrett.

Here's more on Shanahan--
Q: With all the buzz about the Buffalo Bills considering hiring Mike Shanahan as their head coach, I'm wondering this: When Shanahan does get a new coaching job, how many of the current Denver assistants will he try to take with him?

A: Robert, on the Bills job in general, given the fact Bills owner Ralph Wilson never paid a head coach more than $1 million a year until he hired Dick Jauron, it would be difficult to believe Wilson would now suddenly jump to the front of the line as far as coaching salaries.

He did recently receive a windfall of $78 million or so with a deal to play some of the team's home games in nearby Toronto, but Wilson has also publicly railed against the wild spending of his ownership brethren over the years. And he's consistently said he cannot spend like some other teams because Buffalo is not a large-market franchise.

So, while the Broncos will cover some of the cost over the next two seasons for Shanahan's next team because Shanahan is still under contract for 2010 and 2011 for about $7 million a year, it will take more than a two-year deal to get Shanahan. The team that signs him is going to have to be ready to pony up big on a five- or six-year deal, not only in the contract, but in the day-to-day operations of the team and player salaries as well.

It would seem the reports of Shanahan's back-channel contact with the Bills are more likely part of an effort to get his name out there, in the mix, possibly to even spur another team into action, rather than any genuine interest in getting the Bills job. The Commanders and Cowboys are the two most prominent teams that folks in the league say have contacted Shanahan in some way.

All of that said, there aren't many holdovers from Shanahan's last staff who are still with the Broncos.

Running backs coach Bobby Turner, offensive line coach Rick Dennison, special-teams assistant Keith Burns and strength and conditioning coach Rich Tuten were retained by Josh McDaniels, but the remainder of the Shanahan assistants were let go.

All have worked with Shanahan for a long time and all could be possibilities to go to Shanahan's new team at some point, if for some reason they wanted to leave Denver or contract situations could be worked out.

If an assistant coach is under contract and his team doesn't want him to leave, he can't go to a new job. An assistant coach under contract couldn't even formally talk to another team without that team getting permission, in writing, from the Broncos.

Many of the other assistant coaches from Shanahan's staff were paid for this season because they were still under contract for at least 2009 and did not work for other teams. Defensive coordinator Bob Slowik, associate head coach Steve Watson, tight ends coach Pat McPherson, defensive line coach Jacob Burney and linebackers coach Jim Ryan were among those who were not hired by an NFL team this year.

Special-teams coach Scott O'Brien went to the Patriots, defensive line coach Bill Johnson went to the Saints and quarterbacks coach Jeremy Bates went to USC as the Trojans' offensive coordinator.
 

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rickwil61;3149236 said:
I hear what you're saying but they were a great team until Elway retired. I'm not comparing Romo to Elway at this point but I think he is better than anbody Denver has had since Elway left.

I think Shanahan might provide a happy medium in the discipline depertment. He'll be tougher than Wade but not as stodgy as Parcells. He has some creativity in the area of offense. He also has 2 superbowls under his belt, so he has been to the big dance and knows what it takes to win. I don't know if he's the answer for Dallas but I think he's worth consideration and I think we have a lot of pieces in place that he could do something with.

I don't think he's a good fit.

He likes a zone blocking scheme which is not a strong suit of the current personnel.

He is going to want some control over personnel which he sucks at.

Nine years and only one playoff win?That's not much better than what we've seen in these parts.

How many rings does Campo have?Or even Garrett for that matter.They should no what it takes to get there.

I don't know if Garrett is the answer,but if not him bring in somebody that is not a retread.Retreads are out there on the street for a reason,kinda like kickers are on the street for a reason.


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