ESPN Insider - Rumors: 3 reasons for Shanahan to DAL

[aikemirv]

I don't believe that Jerry will give the head coaching job to Garrett at all. IMO that is why he kept Wade from last year. he could see that Garrett was not ready to take over and even though he wanted too, he knew that was not best for the team.

I still think he likes Garrett but I do not believe that, after this season, that he wants Garrett to be the head coach. He knows that there will be a rebellion of the fans even more than keeping Wade this year was.

So, IMO Jerry will go after Cowher, Holmgren, Shannahan or Gruden and ask them if they would be ineterested in keeping Garrett as OC and mentoring him - kinda like the Reeves idea (Holmgren,Shanny and Gruden would fit there) but if they are not I don't believe that Jerry is that in love with Garrett anymore.

 

[wileedog]

So, IMO Jerry will go after Cowher, Holmgren, Shannahan or Gruden and ask them if they would be ineterested in keeping Garrett as OC and mentoring him - kinda like the Reeves idea (Holmgren,Shanny and Gruden would fit there) but if they are not I don't believe that Jerry is that in love with Garrett anymore.

I will say this - Jerry is opening himself up to a world of second guessing if he hands the team over to a guy who has coached all of 4 seasons at any level instead of one of those guys.

If Garrett doesn't produce Jerry will get reamed.

 

[RainMan]

Extremely underwhelming isn't it? Now compare that to Cowher's record esp considering Cowher never had a QB like Romo.

I'd be shocked to see anyone consider Shanahan a "better" candidate than Cowher. I think the only issue between the two the is the understanding that in all likelihood Cowher would never, ever work here. Shanahan probably would.

I think Shanahan is an upgrade over what we have, but I think he's a classic case of paying for name instead of game. Get him if Elway is coming with him, but I'm not sure I'm sold otherwise. His lack of recent playoff success almost rivals ours.

 

[wileedog]

I think Shanahan is an upgrade over what we have, but I think he's a classic case of paying for name instead of game. Get him if Elway is coming with him, but I'm not sure I'm sold otherwise. His lack of recent playoff success almost rivals ours.

I was less interested until seeing how Cutler absolutely fell apart without him this year. Plus I'd love to completely revamp our Oline and his hire would be a great excuse to do so.

Would depend on the DC.

 

[RS12]

He is the obvious best coach out there.

Says who?

 

[Hoofbite]

Young Shanny is pretty damn pass happy. Granted he doesn't have the RBs that Dallas does and he has a WR who is arguably one of the best in the game but they throw the ball an awful lot.

Maybe with Papa Shanny looking over his shoulder he would pull it back a bit but who knows.

 

[sonnyboy]

The Cowboys need to identify the next Shanahan or Holmgren. That's what good organizations do. I have no confidence, absolutely none, in Jerry having the capacity to do that. His hiring criteria is 1) someone he has worked with previously or 2) someone he feels comfortable working with i.e someone who bows down to him or allows Jerry to accept all credit.

Surprised someone with you username would post this.

 

[JBond]

They do not run a zone scheme on every play.Houck is not even known as a zone blocking advocate.

Craig

Well aware of that fact. That is why it baffles me why they ran it on the goal line.

 

[khiladi]

The Shanahan-Romo connection is what would be intriguing. Seriously, Shanahan wanted Romo, just like Payton and the West Coast offense would make Romo excel and put up all-world numbers. Romo would be rolling-out of the pocket, running bootlegs, quick slants to take advantage of his release...The irony would be that Shanahan would once again be taking Wade Phillips job...

 

[wileedog]

The Shanahan-Romo connection is what would be intriguing. Seriously, Shanahan wanted Romo, just like Payton and the West Coast offense would make Romo excel and put up all-world numbers. Romo would be rolling-out of the pocket, running bootlegs, quick slants to take advantage of his release...The irony would be that Shanahan would once again be taking Wade Phillips job...

Not to mention I think he could get a heck of a lot more out of our RBs. How many no names have put up monster numbers with him? What can Shanny do with Felix?

The concern of course if how much personnel control he has, especially over the defense, and who the DC is. The D side of the ball is not completely "fixed" yet.

 

[craig71]

Well aware of that fact. That is why it baffles me why they ran it on the goal line.

They ran three different schemes on the goal line fiasco.

There are too many variables to account for the "why" part.I don't know if they saw something in film study or if they just outsmarted themselves.Or for that matter if it was just bad play by the line,they didn't get any push on any of those plays.

The best answer I can offer is that it is a combination of all of the above.


Craig

 

[khiladi]

Not to mention I think he could get a heck of a lot more out of our RBs. How many no names have put up monster numbers with him? What can Shanny do with Felix?


The concern of course if how much personnel control he has, especially over the defense, and who the DC is. The D side of the ball is not completely "fixed" yet.

Another issue is that Shanahan would have to re-vamp the line, because our personnel isn't suited for his style of play, which is finesse. We got guys like Bigg and Flozell that aren't that good in space. We went with Wade for continuity in the 3-4 and going with Mike, it would spell the end of the Garrett project. And SHanahan's defenses have sucked the last few years as well as his personnel decisions.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

What does everybody think of Fox? If he came available, I think I would probably like him best, outside of Coher.

 

[RS12]

And SHanahan's defenses have sucked the last few years as well as his personnel decisions.

This. I think Gruden (who would take the job in a second) or Tony Dungy (who probably wouldnt touch it) would be much better choices.

 

[theebs]

What does everybody think of Fox? If he came available, I think I would probably like him best, outside of Coher.

fox is an excellent coach. He is a guy that commands respect in the room.

i wouldnt have any problems with him.

He would have to have good assitants however. He seems to struggle getting the right people around him.

the difference between fox and cowher is very very slim to me...you could throw in jeff fisher in that scenario.

they virtually believe in the exact same philosophy of football, how to play and how and what it takes to win.

the difference I think between the 3 is that Cowher was outstanding at surrounding himself with assitants and fisher is good at it as well. John Fox has seemed to struggle getting the right people around him.

but hey, I would happily welcome him here. And there is always the conspiracy theory of him bringing peppers along, although I am not sure they like each other.

but I think his personality is the right kind, he will have the players respect through fear and belief but he is not the guy that beats the crap out of his guys. And he would command respect from the media here.

 

[Dhragon]

I was less interested until seeing how Cutler absolutely fell apart without him this year. Plus I'd love to completely revamp our Oline and his hire would be a great excuse to do so.

Would depend on the DC.

Great point I didn't consider. Cutler looks like a total fail in Chicago whereas he looked pretty good in Denver under Shanahan.

 

[rickwil61]

...SHanahan's defenses have sucked the last few years as well as his personnel decisions.

Not all of his personnel decisions have sucked. Elvis Dumerville, Brandon Marshal, Eddie Royal, Derrent Williams, Champ Bailey, and not to mention several running backs that have worked good in his offensive system are some of the people he's brought in. He's had some duds too for sure but I don't think he's done THAT bad at personnel.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Personally, I'd rather find a young co-ordinator looking to prove himself than these older SB re-tread coaches.

Yeah, hopefully we can find the next Mike Mularkey or Rod Marinelli.

Those guys were extra hungry.

 

[iceberg]

fox is an excellent coach. He is a guy that commands respect in the room.

i wouldnt have any problems with him.

He would have to have good assitants however. He seems to struggle getting the right people around him.

the difference between fox and cowher is very very slim to me...you could throw in jeff fisher in that scenario.

they virtually believe in the exact same philosophy of football, how to play and how and what it takes to win.

the difference I think between the 3 is that Cowher was outstanding at surrounding himself with assitants and fisher is good at it as well. John Fox has seemed to struggle getting the right people around him.

but hey, I would happily welcome him here. And there is always the conspiracy theory of him bringing peppers along, although I am not sure they like each other.

but I think his personality is the right kind, he will have the players respect through fear and belief but he is not the guy that beats the crap out of his guys. And he would command respect from the media here.

i'd cry tears of joy if we could get jeff fisher here.

 

[wileedog]

Another issue is that Shanahan would have to re-vamp the line, because our personnel isn't suited for his style of play, which is finesse. We got guys like Bigg and Flozell that aren't that good in space.

Flo will be gone soon and Kosier could probably play in the system just fine. Problem is Gurode, Bigg and Columbo are all signed through 2012 though. .

We'd have to get pretty creative there.

We went with Wade for continuity in the 3-4 and going with Mike, it would spell the end of the Garrett project.

I won't cry if the Garrett project ends. I did cry when we went with 'continuity'.

And SHanahan's defenses have sucked the last few years as well as his personnel decisions.

Which is why I think it will depend if Jerry lets Shanahan pick his own DC or not. If Jerry hand picks a DC for him and gives him some say on personnel that would minimize the risk IMO. There would be some reason to do so as well considering Shanahan has never run a 3-4 and Jerry seems enamored with it.