ESPN Insider - Rumors: 3 reasons for Shanahan to DAL

[theebs]

We saw how he behaved after Coach Parcells left.

He wasn't discouraged, but relieved. He no longer had to "walk on eggshells". He felt smothered and as we've seen the past three years, he's been more and more comfortable re-assuming the front position in the organization.

I do not see him giving any indication he's ready to step back into the shadows.

The only way Shanahan ends up here is if Jones gets to that stage again like he was in 2002--which is throwing up his hands and asking for help. And paying for it too.

Doubtful.

He'd have to absorb a fairly large hit on a few of the coaching contracts to boot. Garrett, in particular. I don't know about the rest of the staff's status, but that could be an issue.

Shanahan has a stable of coaches that have been waiting for a year to follow him and he'd likely want to add what shakes out of Houston. That is an awful lot of concessions. Jones likes to bargain and he would have the upper hand unless he was desperate to win again. I don't sense he is as driven to do that as people believe. If that is the case, he would have gone on more of a rampage following last season's embarassment. He still thinks he can do it his way and probably with Garrett.

Here's more on Shanahan--

Jerry loves to tell the story of his credit cards getting cut up at dfw airport when trying to rent a car and how it made him realize he had to change.

well in 2002, his credit card got up in the nfl. He changed. It worked. the organization was rebuilt. We saw good players start showing up all over the place, excellent coaches in and out the door and a pathway to success layed.

Now a good bit of that has been torn down. Because Jerry has a franchise QB, Premiere pass rushing player in ware, an incredible talent in ratliff, witten, austin...and many more.........

he has attention back on him and is happy to stand up there again and tell everyone how good he is and how good the team is.

And slowly it looks like the place is looking for a general again to regroup it and lead it back on that pathway to success.

but unfortunately for us, because we have these players who will almost always be able to get us to 8 wins...its like jerry has unlimited credit for the time being and he is going to keep shopping.

Jerry has not proven he can identify or select the blue chip positions. now because of contract issues jerry and stephen forced parcells hand on ware over merriman and that is a thing I am grateful for.

But if he had to find any of the blue chip players he has proven he struggles to do this.

why people think it is a coincidence that the organization immediately changed and the talent level on the field and on the sidelines when skyrockething up is nuts to me. That yea he didnt win a playoff thing makes me so mad. You have to be completely braindead to use that.

anyway, back to shannahan, I dont think I am that interested in him. I think we would end up with an offensive staff and a defensive staff again.. like it is now...


Hopefully when garrett gets the job next month he can find some more really good coaches and they can upgrade the talent.

 

[Alexander]

I don't think he's a good fit.

He likes a zone blocking scheme which is not a strong suit of the current personnel.

Overblown. We will at the very least have to replace two starters on the offensive line in the next three years. This would be an excuse to start in earnest.

And as for the scheme, it was not that difficult for Josh McDaniels to transition away from it, so it could easily work in reverse.

I don't know if Garrett is the answer,but if not him bring in somebody that is not a retread.Retreads are out there on the street for a reason,kinda like kickers are on the street for a reason.

Given that rationale, we should never have hired Wade Phillips. Or even Bill Parcells.

You don't hire the coach for the track record as much as you do for what they bring to the table. Discipline should be paramount at this point.

 

[BlueAndSilverSurfer]

Is Gruden a retread too? I'd take him in a second. Shanahan is a step up too. He has at least had success. The Wade hiring is still inexplicable to me.

 

[JBond]

isn't that against epsn rules?

**** ESPN.

Pretty sure paraphrasing a article is not against the board rules.

 

[UnoDallas]

I think Shanny should get his cold weather gear out again for his job Buffalo

why do people think Jerry Hired JG before he hired Wade ?

same as Seattle hiring Mora before Holmgren was gone

gawd some of you amaze me

 

[iceberg]

**** ESPN.

Pretty sure paraphrasing a article is not against the board rules.

that's why i said ESPN rules. : ) their subscriber content, i'm sure there are legalities in how it's distributed. the mods will know cause they have to keep an eye out for that.

it's not about espn, but moreso about protection of property.

 

[craig71]

Overblown. We will at the very least have to replace two starters on the offensive line in the next three years. This would be an excuse to start in earnest.

And as for the scheme, it was not that difficult for Josh McDaniels to transition away from it, so it could easily work in reverse.



Given that rationale, we should never have hired Wade Phillips. Or even Bill Parcells.

You don't hire the coach for the track record as much as you do for what they bring to the table. Discipline should be paramount at this point.

They tried to implement a full time zone blocking scheme here once before.It failed and the linemen hated it.Granted,it's a different group but I see the same end result.

You should hire the person that best fits the bulk of your current personnel.I don't think that is Shanahan.

Shanahan is also going to want some control over personnel,he stinks as a talent evaluator.

Craig

 

[wick]

Jerry Jones' hallmark as a GM is paying for what somebody has already accomplished instead of what they will accomplish in the future. He has a poor understanding of depreciation of value in the NFL. We've seen this crop up in many personnel decisions as well as the hiring of Bill Parcells and the rumors of interest in Mike Shanahan. Yes, Shanahan has won two Super Bowls, but that was more than a decade ago. Here's his coaching resume since that last Super Bowl:

1999: 6-10 (no playoffs)
2000: 11-5 (lost in first round of playoffs)
2001: 8-8 (no playoffs)
2002: 9-7 (no playoffs)
2003: 10-6 (lost in first round of playoffs)
2004: 10-6 (lost in first round of playoffs)
2005: 13-3 (1-1 in playoffs)
2006: 9-7 (no playoffs)
2007: 7-9 (no playoffs)
2008: 8-8 (no playoffs)

In those final 10 seasons, Shanhan won the AFC West just one time and missed the playoffs 60 percent of the time, including the last three in a row. He compiled a 1-4 record in the playoff and never made the Super Bowl. This is vitally important because odds are overwhelming that the re-tread coach will not recapture past glory. If we hire Mike Shanahan, that latter-day resume is very likely to be replicated in Dallas, but that's what we've already had since Bill Parcells was hired. The solution lies in front of us and not in the rear-view mirror.

 

[rickwil61]

I don't think he's a good fit.

He likes a zone blocking scheme which is not a strong suit of the current personnel.

He is going to want some control over personnel which he sucks at.

Nine years and only one playoff win?That's not much better than what we've seen in these parts.

How many rings does Campo have?Or even Garrett for that matter.They should no what it takes to get there.

I don't know if Garrett is the answer,but if not him bring in somebody that is not a retread.Retreads are out there on the street for a reason,kinda like kickers are on the street for a reason.


Craig

I don't know that I'd say he totally sucks in the personnel dept. He brought in some good players to Denver but he's also had some misses too. I'd say about typical.

If you base it only on what Denver has done in the past 9 years then they've been close alot of times but never could get over the hump. Terell Davis is the guy that I think got them over the hump in the Superbowl years. I believe one of the keys to Shanny's success is having a solid QB which I think he would have here. I base my optimism toward him more on what he did when he had a good QB. It's funny how he could find good running backs with no problem but struggled to find the right guy for the QB position. With the QB we have here then maybe he could get the other pieces in place.

I like the idea of having fresh blood as a coach but OTOH we have some good players in place now and I fear that we could miss the window of opportunity waiting for a young coach to get up to speed.

It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out.

 

[JBond]

I don't think he's a good fit.

He likes a zone blocking scheme which is not a strong suit of the current personnel.

Craig

So why do we keep running it? Especially on crucial downs at the one yard line?

Shanny is a strong 4-3 guy so that is a problem. But we have the personnel to adjust in my opinion.

 

[craig71]

So why do we keep running it? Especially on crucial downs at the one yard line?

Shanny is a strong 4-3 guy so that is a problem. But we have the personnel to adjust in my opinion.

They do not run a zone scheme on every play.Houck is not even known as a zone blocking advocate.

Craig

 

[craig71]

I don't know that I'd say he totally sucks in the personnel dept. He brought in some good players to Denver but he's also had some misses too. I'd say about typical.

If you base it only on what Denver has done in the past 9 years then they've been close alot of times but never could get over the hump. Terell Davis is the guy that I think got them over the hump in the Superbowl years. I believe one of the keys to Shanny's success is having a solid QB which I think he would have here. I base my optimism toward him more on what he did when he had a good QB. It's funny how he could find good running backs with no problem but struggled to find the right guy for the QB position. With the QB we have here then maybe he could get the other pieces in place.

I like the idea of having fresh blood as a coach but OTOH we have some good players in place now and I fear that we could miss the window of opportunity waiting for a young coach to get up to speed.

It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

I'm just tired of the retreads.

Parcells brought some credibility back to Dallas while he was here but couldn't get this team over the hump.

Wade has not got the job done in his time at the helm.He still has a chance to accomplish something here but the margin for error is getting pretty small.

I'm just of the opinion that it's time to go in another direction,get someone with fresh ideas instead of the has beens.


Craig

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Why would he keep Garrett as OC? Garrett's offense is a completely different system than Shanny's. It would be like Tony Dungy hiring Wade Phillips as DC to run his 43 cover-2 system. That would make no sense.

 

[LucaBrasi]

The Cowboys need to identify the next Shanahan or Holmgren. That's what good organizations do. I have no confidence, absolutely none, in Jerry having the capacity to do that. His hiring criteria is 1) someone he has worked with previously or 2) someone he feels comfortable working with i.e someone who bows down to him or allows Jerry to accept all credit.

 

[alancdc]

What is the fascination with a retread that went 24-24 in his last three years in Denver and only had one playoff win since the 98' Super Bowl appearance?


Craig

Sadly that is 1 more playoff win that we have had. I do see your point though. I think seriously, that coaches like him and Holmgren, take their eye off the ball by becoming GM's as well. Let the guy coach and see what he can do. Sometimes, the ego of these guys, IMO makes them forget what made them great. COACHING THE TEAM.

 

[jksmith269]

I don't have a subscription but here is a link to the article. Can anybody post a summary if they have access?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors

While every coach needs to win to keep his job, it appears that Wade Phillips is in more danger than others because of the Dallas Cowboys' legendary tendency to crumble in December, which has not been abated by this season's results. But Phillips isn't the only person responsible for the annual collapse, and Tim Cowlishaw of the Dallas Morning News reminds us of that fact in his column on Tuesday, paying special attention to the strange order in which owner Jerry Jones hired offensive coordinator Jason Garrett and then Phillips.

"Considering that Jones created this odd match by hiring Garrett before Phillips, it's no surprise that in order to fix things, the Cowboys' owner-general manager-3D promoter is going to have to start from scratch."

So, if both of these firings do take place, Jones will have his pick of the litter when it comes to free agent coaches. While Jones is very hands-on, this is the most high-profile opening -- with the best base of talent -- this upcoming offseason. Some speculation has already put Mike Shanahan in Wade Phillips' soon-to-be-vacated spot, take a look to the box above to see an update as to why.

Of course, timing may be an issue with the Shanahan hiring. NFL Insider Adam Schefter emailed in to comment on how Jerry Jones might miss out on Shanny if he dilly-dallies:

Adam Schefter

Shanahan may be hired quickly

"Last year there was a question about whether the Cowboys would bring back Wade Phillips or pursue Mike Shanahan. They brought back Phillips. This year they've stood firmly behind Phillips once again, and haven't given any indications of being interested in a coach such as Shanahan. Maybe they will make a move with Phillips for Shanahan. But by the time they do it, they could be late to the party. Shanahan will be this off-season's most in-demand head coach this and I expect that he will be one of the first coaches taken off the market, and chances are, it happens shortly after this season ends. By that time, Jones might not have made a final decision on Phillips."

 

[jobberone]

Jerry Jones' hallmark as a GM is paying for what somebody has already accomplished instead of what they will accomplish in the future. He has a poor understanding of depreciation of value in the NFL. We've seen this crop up in many personnel decisions as well as the hiring of Bill Parcells and the rumors of interest in Mike Shanahan. Yes, Shanahan has won two Super Bowls, but that was more than a decade ago. Here's his coaching resume since that last Super Bowl:

1999: 6-10 (no playoffs)
2000: 11-5 (lost in first round of playoffs)
2001: 8-8 (no playoffs)
2002: 9-7 (no playoffs)
2003: 10-6 (lost in first round of playoffs)
2004: 10-6 (lost in first round of playoffs)
2005: 13-3 (1-1 in playoffs)
2006: 9-7 (no playoffs)
2007: 7-9 (no playoffs)
2008: 8-8 (no playoffs)

In those final 10 seasons, Shanhan won the AFC West just one time and missed the playoffs 60 percent of the time, including the last three in a row. He compiled a 1-4 record in the playoff and never made the Super Bowl. This is vitally important because odds are overwhelming that the re-tread coach will not recapture past glory. If we hire Mike Shanahan, that latter-day resume is very likely to be replicated in Dallas, but that's what we've already had since Bill Parcells was hired. The solution lies in front of us and not in the rear-view mirror.

Extremely underwhelming isn't it? Now compare that to Cowher's record esp considering Cowher never had a QB like Romo.

 

[Primetime42]

actually I could live with Kyle Shanny as the OC and maybe future headcoach...he's a pretty decent OC right now...and I like the Houston runs their offense...

Yep, he already has experience not getting the most out of a talented offense.

 

[bysbox1]

Anyway, back to shannahan, I dont think I am that interested in him. I think we would end up with an offensive staff and a defensive staff again.. like it is now...

Hopefully when garrett gets the job next month he can find some more really good coaches and they can upgrade the talent.

That's not going to happen.

Jerry keeps Garrett because it gives him the same control he's had over the past 3 years. There are coaches now under contract that would be kept here, and Jerry maintains control over personnel. Basically, Jerry gets to keep control, because with Garrett being a young coach Jones is not going to give him much control. I don't care how much JG's family knows the Joneses.

Now the story may be different if the fans were not coming into the stadium and Jerry was losing money, but he's had record crowds, great stadium attendance, and sponsorships. So what he's doing now is not hurting his pocket. That means you will get 3 more years of the same 8-10 win garbage and more average drafts and free agent pickups. You can bank on that.

This organization will have to hit rock bottom before Jones relinquishes control, and even then he may find it hard to do.

Bottom line is Garrett is really no better than Wade at this point.

 

[bysbox1]

The Cowboys need to identify the next Shanahan or Holmgren. That's what good organizations do. I have no confidence, absolutely none, in Jerry having the capacity to do that. His hiring criteria is 1) someone he has worked with previously or 2) someone he feels comfortable working with i.e someone who bows down to him or allows Jerry to accept all credit.

You said it better than I could. That's why Garrett is not the answer for HC. Whey people can't see that is beyond me.