ESPN MacMahon: Jerry: 'We've got a player in Doug Free'

[MichaelWinicki]

I think this is the last season for Flozell in a Cowboy uniform.

Dallas will draft an OT in round one.

Training camp will feature a battle between Free and this drafted OT.

Dallas will draft another OL in either round 2 or 3.

I would think that a NT would be grabbed in round 4.

And what position in round 2 or 3, where the Cowboys do not select a OL?

Corner.

 

[Bleu Star]

I am so looking forward to the post Flo era... Free, a 1st rounder,and a couple of others competing for the prize will make for an interesting offseason for sure.

 

[burmafrd]

Eskimo I guess you think Houck is a dummy for not blowing up the line and moving guys everywhere. maybe he is. But that is questionable. There is no proof that any of your moves would do anything good. Gurode had 3 years to prove himself at guard and failed. Maybe he could do better but you have nothing to back it up. Bigg is too slow to be a good tackle-speed rushers eat him up. A LT has to be able to handle bull and speed- Free right now can handle speed but not bull. And thinking he can get stronger because muscle bound power lifters can is a joke. Can I remind you of how slow the great power lifter Larry Allan was his last few years? The only way Free is going to get better has nothing to do with the weight room- THREE YEARS means he is as strong as he is ever going to get =if he tries to muscle up anymore he will lose some quickness. Free will have to improve his technique which will take time, if he can.

Colombo is still a very good RT. BUT we need to draft another LT this year= a high round guy that can play in the next year or two. Then Free can move to RT permanently and we get a top LT to replace the Hotel. And we can keep Colombo around as the backup for a while, while then next year we can draft a couple of developmental guys and try and break THAT jinx.

 

[chuffly]

Eskimo I guess you think Houck is a dummy for not blowing up the line and moving guys everywhere. maybe he is. But that is questionable. There is no proof that any of your moves would do anything good. Gurode had 3 years to prove himself at guard and failed. Maybe he could do better but you have nothing to back it up. Bigg is too slow to be a good tackle-speed rushers eat him up. A LT has to be able to handle bull and speed- Free right now can handle speed but not bull. And thinking he can get stronger because muscle bound power lifters can is a joke. Can I remind you of how slow the great power lifter Larry Allan was his last few years? The only way Free is going to get better has nothing to do with the weight room- THREE YEARS means he is as strong as he is ever going to get =if he tries to muscle up anymore he will lose some quickness. Free will have to improve his technique which will take time, if he can.

Colombo is still a very good RT. BUT we need to draft another LT this year= a high round guy that can play in the next year or two. Then Free can move to RT permanently and we get a top LT to replace the Hotel. And we can keep Colombo around as the backup for a while, while then next year we can draft a couple of developmental guys and try and break THAT jinx.

Larry Allen likely got slow because speed and other explosive attributes is something that generally starts to decline when someone reaches their late twenties and typically begins to really accelerate in their thirties. I seriously doubt it came just from lifting weights.

Your assertion that he can't get any stronger after three years is just absurd to be honest. Also, getting stronger doesn't mean he's going to lose quickness. If he stays the same weight, I really don't see him losing any quickness at all.

 

[burmafrd]

Larry Allen likely got slow because speed and other explosive attributes is something that generally starts to decline when someone reaches their late twenties and typically begins to really accelerate in their thirties. I seriously doubt it came just from lifting weights.

Your assertion that he can't get any stronger after three years is just absurd to be honest. Also, getting stronger doesn't mean he's going to lose quickness. If he stays the same weight, I really don't see him losing any quickness at all.

Your assertion that somehow Free is going to get stronger after three years in what is considered one of the best Pro Weight/strength programs in the NFL is what is without any visible means of support. LA really went hard into the power lifting after his injury in 2002 so that is evidence right there it did not help him any. And I want you to show me any quick power lifters. That will be a long wait. Free cannot get any stronger without becoming muscle bound and slower. There just is not any evidence you can find that shows he will get any stronger without that tradeoff. You might want to do some research on the time frames of advanced weight training.

 

[Hostile]

Obviously Jerreh hasn't talked to Burmashave yet about HIS opinion of Doug Free.

He assured us the guy could not play. Jerry needs to listen to him like we do. For laughs. He's still in spin control trying to salvage that nonsense.

 

[The Realist]

I think this is the last season for Flozell in a Cowboy uniform.

Dallas will draft an OT in round one.

Training camp will feature a battle between Free and this drafted OT.

Dallas will draft another OL in either round 2 or 3.

I would think that a NT would be grabbed in round 4.

And what position in round 2 or 3, where the Cowboys do not select a OL?

Corner.

So if Free wins this supposed camp battle we just drafted a backup tackle in the first round?

I don't think we'll be picking OL in one since we haven't in 20 years.

As of right now I don't even see us picking in one unless we end up losing a major player in FA.

 

[LucaBrasi]

I watched the game again last night, and on our second td drive, Doug Free absolutely ear holes Randall Gay on a quick throw to Austin. He gets out in the flat and just kills him.

Gay had no idea where he was at and did not return to the game.

 

[chuffly]

Your assertion that somehow Free is going to get stronger after three years in what is considered one of the best Pro Weight/strength programs in the NFL is what is without any visible means of support. LA really went hard into the power lifting after his injury in 2002 so that is evidence right there it did not help him any. And I want you to show me any quick power lifters. That will be a long wait. Free cannot get any stronger without becoming muscle bound and slower. There just is not any evidence you can find that shows he will get any stronger without that tradeoff. You might want to do some research on the time frames of advanced weight training.

Without any visible means of support? What is your visible means of support? Larry Allen? That's it? One player lost quickness in his mid-30s at about the same time he got interested in powerlifting. That's hardly evidence.

Look, plenty of powerlifters get stronger and stronger as the years go on. Joe Jurascek didn't invent weight lifting, nor did he perfect it. The notion that Joe Jurascek can squeeze every last gain out of a person in the weight room in 3 years is absurd when there are plenty of other weight rooms throughout the world where people with 10+ years of solid experience are making gains. Do the gains slow down? Sure. But that's as a person gets closer to their max potential, but you have no clue how close Doug Free is to that because you don't honestly know what he has been doing in the weight room.

There are plenty of strong dudes out there that still maintain some impressive athletic feats while spending lot of time under the heavy iron. How about olympic lifter Shane Hamman? The dude clean and jerks 500+ pounds and still has a three foot vertical. Did I mention he weighs more than Doug Free? Weight lifting hasn't made him "slow and musclebound".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_Hamman

 

[Eddie]

Why would we replace Flo? He's 35, that's when OLmen start to peak. He's in the prime is his career.

He keeps his body like a 17 year old ... just like TO does.

He can play for another 10 years. Give him a HUGE extension and lock him up until he's 45.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

So if Free wins this supposed camp battle we just drafted a backup tackle in the first round?

I don't think we'll be picking OL in one since we haven't in 20 years.

As of right now I don't even see us picking in one unless we end up losing a major player in FA.

Correct.

Jerreh has talked about the play of the offensive line and being unsure about the depth.

I could easily see an OT being drafted in round 1 and being the guy who fills in at all positions (except center) in 2010.

I guess I don't know what you're getting at about drafting a backup.

I don't see too many starting positions on the team that are going to be threatened... Even by a first rounder.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

He assured us the guy could not play. Jerry needs to listen to him like we do. For laughs. He's still in spin control trying to salvage that nonsense.

He did assure us of that didn't he?

:laugh2:

Free was trash.

 

[Oh_Canada]

I watched the game again last night, and on our second td drive, Doug Free absolutely ear holes Randall Gay on a quick throw to Austin. He gets out in the flat and just kills him.

Gay had no idea where he was at and did not return to the game.

Free is one of the most athletic lineman this team has had in a very long time. He will be a perfect replacement for Flo (hopefully next year) and will solidify the position for almost ten years.....book it.

Draft an interior lineman (OG/C), sign a veteran backup for Free and hope that Brewster develops enough so that he can be Colombo's backup.

As far as Flo goes, he has been an above average player for the majority of his time in Dallas, but they cannot bring him back another year...it's time for him to move on or retire.

 

[Noryb]

Draft an interior lineman (OG/C), sign a veteran backup for Free and hope that Brewster develops enough so that he can be Colombo's backup.

As far as Flo goes, he has been an above average player for the majority of his time in Dallas, but they cannot bring him back another year...it's time for him to move on or retire.

I agree with what you said but since Flo has one more year left on his contract what's wrong w/ letting him back-up Free? I know he's everyone's whopping boy but I'd rather have him as a back-up than somebody like Pat.

 

[theogt]

I agree with what you said but since Flo has one more year left on his contract what's wrong w/ letting him back-up Free? I know he's everyone's whopping boy but I'd rather have him as a back-up than somebody like Pat.

Flozell has four more years on his contract. I wouldn't want to cut him either, even if Free is the starter. Jerry would have to shell out $5 million in salary to a backup, though, so he may feel differently.

 

[jamesdojr]

I think he's been better than average already. He's played better than Flozell who almost got Tony killed more than once against the Chargers.

 

[theogt]

I watched the game again last night, and on our second td drive, Doug Free absolutely ear holes Randall Gay on a quick throw to Austin. He gets out in the flat and just kills him.

Gay had no idea where he was at and did not return to the game.

That hit gave Gay a concussion.

 

[The Realist]

Flozell has four more years on his contract. I wouldn't want to cut him either, even if Free is the starter. Jerry would have to shell out $5 million in salary to a backup, though, so he may feel differently.

A lot of good has come from letting go of older guys this past offseason.

Cut Flo we get younger and cheaper.

If we let Flo play out his contract Doug Free will be 29 and we'll be close to starting the search for future LT process all over again.

 

[The Realist]

That hit gave Gay a concussion.

Does anyone have a vid with this hit on it?

I saw it live and remember Tony giving him a dap.

Love to see it again, hopefully in slo-mo.

 

[Noryb]

Flozell has four more years on his contract. I wouldn't want to cut him either, even if Free is the starter. Jerry would have to shell out $5 million in salary to a backup, though, so he may feel differently.

I thought I read that the contract was constructed to essentially make it a three year deal, even though it was a 5 year contract. Is that not correct?