ESPN Mosley: Cowboys like the look of DE Tyson Jackson

[TNCowboy]

Well, we might lose three of our four ILBs.

And I don't think we lose Bowen. He's an RFA, so he only goes if we don't care about him leaving. But even if we do let him go, who's to say another undrafted guy like Dixon can't be as good as him?

Honestly, people see guys like Bowen and become terrified that just because he played for Parcells, he'll go to Miami and make us look stupid. If Parcells weren't in the league, they wouldn't even care much about losing role players like Stephen Bowen.

All this is not to say that I don't think we could use a good defensive lineman, because that's always true IMO.

I couldn't care less where he goes, neither do I think he'll become a superstar. But Parcells brief history with Miami suggests he likes our role players and will try to sign them, and Miami has a lot more salary flexibility than we do, if they want him. Sorry if that thought process is a little too complex for you.

I'm not "terrified" of anything that relates to this team. I'm not quite so vested in it. If you are, then you need a serious change in your life.

We won't lose 3 of 4 ILBs, unless they toss Carpenter out of their own free will. The other guys are free agents.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I couldn't care less where he goes, neither do I think he'll become a superstar. But Parcells brief history with Miami suggests he likes our role players and will try to sign them, and Miami has a lot more salary flexibility than we do, if they want him. Sorry if that thought process is a little too complex for you.

I'm not "terrified" of anything that relates to this team. I'm not quite so vested in it. If you are, then you need a serious change in your life.

We won't lose 3 of 4 ILBs, unless they toss Carpenter out of their own free will. The other guys are free agents.

Wow. Touchy much? I wasn't accusing you of those things.

And isn't Bowen restricted? Then it doesn't matter how much salary flexibility they have if we truly want to keep him.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Move back up and package picks to get another 2nd rounder...

Ron Brace
Sean Smith

in round 2

 

[Alexander]

And isn't Bowen restricted? Then it doesn't matter how much salary flexibility they have if we truly want to keep him.

He is restricted and chances are strong we will only tender him at the minimum, which entitles us to the right to match an offer. We won't get anything for him because he was undrafted.

 

[Alexander]

Move back up and package picks to get another 2nd rounder...

Ron Brace
Sean Smith

in round 2

When it is all said and done, I believe both of these players go in the late first round.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

He is restricted and chances are strong we will only tender him at the minimum, which entitles us to the right to match an offer. We won't get anything for him because he was undrafted.

How do you know that?

 

[Alexander]

How do you know that?

I didn't say I knew. I am guessing. The way Jerry Jones seems to be clutching his checkbook to his chest these days, it is a reasonable guess. I do not believe we will shell out high dollar contracts for players like Bowen, who is not a lot different than players we have had in the past like Hurvin McCormack and Demetric Evans. In fact, he might even be more average.

 

[AdamJT13]

Then again, it doesn't help filling holes when you give away a 1st and a 3rd for a WR who is going to be on the open market in a few months anyway.

Williams would have been franchised.

Antonio Bryant got franchised, for crying out loud.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I doubt, very seriously, that Roy Williams would have been on the open market in a couple of weeks. Just like with the Panters and Peppers, even though they know he doesn't want to be there anymore, they would have tagged Williams to get something out of him instead of just letting him walk.

 

[Randy White]

With Canty on the way out the door, Tank already gone and Bowen a possible RFA defection, the Cowboys are going to have to replace 3 of their 6 defensive linemen from last year's roster. I don't see how anyone could say DL isn't a need. Is there another area on the team where we're having to replace half of the players from last year's roster?

Who's saying that D-line is not a need ?

This is why the 2007 playoff loss to the Giants was such a killer. The sweet spot of opportunity doesn't stick around long. Pretty soon the holes start opening up faster than you can fill them. Then again, it doesn't help filling holes when you give away a 1st and a 3rd for a WR who is going to be on the open market in a few months anyway.

Oh, please, enough of the drama already. The Cowboys choked in '07 and choked even worse last year. One is not much different, or more important, than the other one, nor does it have ANY effect on whatever they're going to accomplish in the future.

Canty was a 4th round draft pick, Bowen was an undrafted free agent. The Cowboys have TWO 4th round draft picks ( possibly THREE after a comp pick ), so what makes you think they need a 1st round pick to replace either one of them or even BOTH ?

While you're at it, go ahead and answer this two other questions:

1) What DE in this draft is better than #11 Roy Williams ? and I'll even make it easier by saying the ENTIRE draft, as opposed to after the top guys whom the Cowboys would have had no shot at anyways.

2) What makes YOU think the Detriot Lions were going to allow Roy Williams to walk away without getting anything in return ?

:starspin

 

[wileedog]

I doubt, very seriously, that Roy Williams would have been on the open market in a couple of weeks. Just like with the Panters and Peppers, even though they know he doesn't want to be there anymore, they would have tagged Williams to get something out of him instead of just letting him walk.

Even then though they lose a ton of trade leverage, especially since Williams didn't want to be there and the Lions already have Calvin. They have way too many holes to risk having to pay a 2nd WR top money.

 

[Randy White]

Williams would have been franchised.

Antonio Bryant got franchised, for crying out loud.

It seems like some people in here think that if they repeat the fallacy of " Roy Williams would have been available in free agency " enough times, it's going to become a fact.

You have to be, at the very least, VERY naive to think that the Lions were going to let RW just walk away.

:starspin

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Even then though they lose a ton of trade leverage, especially since Williams didn't want to be there and the Lions already have Calvin. They have way too many holes to risk having to pay a 2nd WR top money.

Ummm...correct me if I'm wrong, cause i am not certain on draft picks for the tag, but if they tag him and trade him or he gets signed by someone else they're getting a 1st out of him regardless.

At most what you'd have saved is the 3rd rounder and that 3rd rounder isn't going to get you from the 51st spot up into the top 20 of the draft to go after anyone either.

Its not like they'd tag him and settle for a 3rd rounder now because he doesn't want to be there. You're giving up your first regardless of when you do it.

 

[Randy White]

Even then though they lose a ton of trade leverage, especially since Williams didn't want to be there and the Lions already have Calvin. They have way too many holes to risk having to pay a 2nd WR top money.

They wouldn't have paid him ONE cent, but they would have traded him and probably received more than what the Cowboys paid for him.

For starters, within the Cowboys own division there are TWO teams who would have gotten into the bidding war ( Giants and Eagles ) just to drive the price up on each other and the Cowboys.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

I don't regret the Roy trade at all..If anything we got 6 extra months with him to get comfortable. You don't think the Giants or Eagles would be bidding for Roy this offseason? I think it was a great trade and will soon pay dividends.

 

[wileedog]

They wouldn't have paid him ONE cent, but they would have traded him and probably received more than what the Cowboys paid for him.

For starters, within the Cowboys own division there are TWO teams who would have gotten into the bidding war ( Giants and Eagles ) just to drive the price up on each other and the Cowboys.

They have as many draft picks as we do, why weren't they throwing them at Detroit mid-season then?

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

SMOKESCREEN

carry on :cop:

 

[Randy White]

They have as many draft picks as we do, why weren't they throwing them at Detroit mid-season then?

Because at mid-season the Giants still had Plaxico Burress ( along with one of the best records in the league ) and the Beagles were thinking about rebuilding with an entire different organization before they went on a run.

PLUS the fact that their rosters were set and it's very difficult for a player to come into mid-season and make any type of an impact. Particularly in the WCO that Philly runs.

 

[28 Joker]

I agree with Cowboy Joe on this one. Jackson isn't an upgrade over Jason Hatcher. He was less than spectacular when I watched him play.

Mosley is good, but it's early. Jackson probably will not be there at # 51. He's rated pretty high. He could go in round one.

You know, when you have other needs like Cowboyjoe said, you have to play the younger guys you have already stocked. You plug them in and live with them, because they are all you have. The Cowboys have options at that end spot. Hatcher and Bowen can play it, and Ratliff could get some snaps there if a bigger NT can play about 20 plays per game.

Jason Hatcher pushed for a starting job in 2007, and Stewart ran him (without warming up) and got him hurt. The guy played very well when the rest of the defense turned up the heat when Newman came back. I noticed him being very physical and doing a good job. He has just as good physical tools as any end you will draft.

The Cowboys really don't know what they have, and they will never know what they truely have until they play him more in games.

I still say the Cowboys may very well draft two offensive linemen with their first two picks if the board falls that way. No safety in the draft that the Cowboys will be looking at should be rated ahead of Duke Robinson or Herman Johnson. Passing one of them up for any safety would be stupid.

This should be a meat and potatos draft for the Cowboys. There are offensive linemen in this draft that should be available for the Cowboys and be of great value. Brace has first round grades from 3-4 teams in this draft. There are some other NT options. There should be a run on safeties in round 2. Rashad Johnson could slip to early round 3. That is the guy to target, imo. However, you don't pass up one of the two big, power guards to take him. That is how you get burned.

Finally, I never saw an SEC guy I didn't like, and I don't like Tyson Jackson for the Cowboys.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Hatcher,Bowen,Ratliff and Spears is a solid DE core in a 3-4 scheme. Hatcher needs to be given a chance and start with Bowen spelling him on plays. One more guy through the draft should bolster that line for years to come..

like say...Ron Brace?

Spears Brace and Ratliff on the D-line..with Hatcher and Bowen coming in to spell. I could live with that and it's CHEAP.

I really hope we don't go out and sign Olshansky to a 4 year 30 million dollar contract..it would be a total waste.