ESPN Werder: Cowboys hesitant to make tough calls; Others can do it; why not Cowboys?

burmafrd

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Its interesting to note who is agreeing with moron werder. The usual suspects.
 

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burmafrd;3027930 said:
Its interesting to note who is agreeing with moron werder. The usual suspects.


Everybody lapped up his stories last year though.:rolleyes:
 

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Fletch;3027824 said:
Shouldn't that have been a 15 yard penalty on Denver for a hit on a defenseless receiver? The ball was obviously uncatchable, and the LB (DJ Williams) went right through Williams.

Nice officiating there.

Yea, but he's not wearing a Cowboys' uniform, so he's excused.
 

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stilltheguru;3027867 said:
TO leaving was a totally diff situation, but I expect Cowboy fans to do the spinarooni on anything to make it look reasonable.

Which you are admittedly not a part of.
 

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Mash;3027109 said:
Personally I found this spew as Hogwash...

I think the Cowboys have always brought in players to work out.....

because Thomas in NE has been a bust of a FA signing......they still gave him years to see what he had.........Galloway is done.....was done in TB......another bad FA signing but lets praise him because he benched them and then released Galloway.

Lets give RW a chance.....shall we.

It was much more common when Ireland was on board though. It was an area of specialty. We still do it, but not nearly as often as we did in 2006.
 

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stilltheguru;3027867 said:
Cutting a player who everyone pretty much agreed had to go isn't exactly a hard decision. Benching your 45 million dollar man? Now that will leave a mark on the team. TO leaving was a totally diff situation, but I expect Cowboy fans to do the spinarooni on anything to make it look reasonable.

That's a shallow argument if there ever was one.

T.O. had the best 3 year run of any WR in Dallas Cowboy history and this is a team with at least 3 Hall of Fame caliber WRs in it's past. cutting a player like that is always hard, unless the person doing the cutting is mentally challenged.


We also parted ways with Greg Ellis which was again a difficult decision.

But, yea, it's always 'easy' for the people that do not have to actually try and win games to make decisions.

Jerry has traded Hershel Walker, fired/bought out Jimmy Johnson, hired Barry Switzer, Bill Parcells, asked/forced Troy Aikman to retire, signed Tank and Pacman then let both go unceremoniously, let go of Emmitt Smith et al.... Saying he won't make tough decisions is just stupid for stupid's sake.

Jerry may make ginormous mistakes but he is a riverboat gambler not a guy stuck on status quo or playing it safe.

The entire article was stupid from the title to the lack of valid points that make any assertion whatsoever.
 

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Alexander;3028112 said:
It was much more common when Ireland was on board though. It was an area of specialty. We still do it, but not nearly as often as we did in 2006.

They brought in a bunch of guys late last year. We signed Marvin White that way.

They worked out 19 players in January, including 3 or 4 ex-Arena leaguers.
 

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jterrell;3028133 said:
They brought in a bunch of guys late last year. We signed Marvin White that way.

No, we claimed Marvin White this year after Cincinnati waived him.

They worked out 19 players in January, including 3 or 4 ex-Arena leaguers.

These were likely "futures" contract candidates. What is being referred to here is bringing in players for auditions during the season in order to send a message so to speak. This spike in January doesn't quite suffice since our season was practically over.
 

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Werder is on the Irvin show right now... trying to justify his reasoning. You could hear Irvin snickering in the background.

Irvin asked him straight up... "Do you think Patrick Crayton is a better player than Roy Williams?"

Werder said "no, i don't think he is a better player, but statistically he has better numbers..."

Really Ed... what stats are you looking at?

Patrick Crayton: 15(recs) 243(yards) 16.2(avg) 1(td)
Roy E. Williams: 11(recs) 214(yards) 19.5(avg) 1(td)

Patrick has played one and almost a half more games.
 

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bootyhunta;3028265 said:
Werder is on the Irvin show right now... trying to justify his reasoning. You could hear Irvin snickering in the background.

Irvin asked him straight up... "Do you think Patrick Crayton is a better player than Roy Williams?"

Werder said "no, i don't think he is a better player..."

LOL. WerdOWNED!

(Wait, is that how you do it?)
 

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bootyhunta;3028265 said:
Werder is on the Irvin show right now... trying to justify his reasoning. You could hear Irvin snickering in the background.

Irvin asked him straight up... "Do you think Patrick Crayton is a better player than Roy Williams?"

Werder said "no, i don't think he is a better player, but statistically he has better numbers..."

Really Ed... what stats are you looking at?

Patrick Crayton: 15(recs) 243(yards) 16.2(avg) 1(td)
Roy E. Williams: 11(recs) 214(yards) 19.5(avg) 1(td)

Patrick has played one and almost a half more games.

I think the best part of Werder must have ran down his mommas leg or wound up on the wall.....

Craig
 

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stilltheguru;3027867 said:
Cutting a player who everyone pretty much agreed had to go isn't exactly a hard decision. Benching your 45 million dollar man? Now that will leave a mark on the team. TO leaving was a totally diff situation, but I expect Cowboy fans to do the spinarooni on anything to make it look reasonable.

What are you talking about? He says in the article that cutting TO was a hard decision. Read it again - it's right near the part where he says the Cowboys won't make hard decisions. The words weren't mine, they were Werder's.
 

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Crayton's back where he belongs: in the SLOT. Austin and/or Roy can't play the slot and arent' use to it. Crayton is too slow split wide: that's a FACT. Things could go real well, except now Crayton is whining about HOW it was done. Just a never ending joke that team is.....he should have his arse fined off...but he won't.
 

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Alexander;3028145 said:
No, we claimed Marvin White this year after Cincinnati waived him.



These were likely "futures" contract candidates. What is being referred to here is bringing in players for auditions during the season in order to send a message so to speak. This spike in January doesn't quite suffice since our season was practically over.

Yup, that is correct about White. We worked him out but it was 3 years ago as a local guy before the Bengals drafted him. I am getting old:)

Those were futures guys for sure but it's pretty much always the case that they are long shots. BP brought Quincy Carter to Miami to work out for instance, lol.

I think the gist is Dallas has been tweaking their roster all this season and did so last season as well so they are looking at current NFL talent and upgrading the roster all year long. We've seen what 4 or 5 changes already?

Our current NFL pro personnel staff is from the Jeff Ireland school so they aren't doing things much differently.
 

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Dallas;3026960 said:
Crayton is absolutely NOT bettter than RW. I would like for someone to come in and argue that he is.

RW does a LOT more than Crayton. Roy Williams blows people up while run blocking.

I wish he would do more at his position though, but Im patient. I think it will come around.

A lot of this is Romo still not being comfortable w/ RW. I have no idea if that will ever change. I just dont understand it.

Throw him the GD ball Tony.

I agree with most of the post, but it's this mentality that sent Owens packing (supposedly). If we force the ball to a guy because of who he is then we are in trouble, right?

Alexander;3027017 said:
It is not about being happy, it is about being able.

This is not a recent thing. It has been going on for years.

Even a coach who would be "happy to tell someone where to go" couldn't for all intents and purposes. Bill Parcells had to take players inserted into the mix by the GM and had to physically prove they couldn't play. Drew Henson, Peerless Price and Eddie George just to name a few. Eventually, it was proven who was right.

It continues now with Phillips. It is nothing new. Everyone had to be careful about Julius Jones' feelings for the entire 2007 season. Roy Williams could continue to underperform and you can almost bet he wouldn't be benched. We even make personnel decisions based on fear of competition.

While I'm not really on board with what Werder said, Alexander nailed it right on the head with this one!

T-RO;3027373 said:
I think there are plenty of coaches who might start Crayton over Williams. Belichick is likely one of them.

Jerry gets his ego invested in his stupid pet projects. Just look at last year with Pacman--when the coaches didn't think the guy deserved to play Jerry was forcing it down everyone's throat.

Crayton or Williams argument aside, this is a shining example of what has been, and will be a problem for this team until Jerry steps aside.

And if you don't think it rubbed players the worng way when Pac was just handed the punt return duties after his suspension when he had proven (to that point) that he wasn't any more proficient at it than anyone else on the roster, then you're kidding yourself.

The time wasted on Pac could have brought Jenkins AND Scandrick much farther ahead than they are, now. Jerry just couldn't let it go. Whatever the cost. If that doesn't discourage you as a Cowboys fan, then I don't know what will. Because it's those types of decisions that clearly illustrate that there certainly IS NOT a "win at all costs" mentality from the top to the bottom of this franchise (especially the top).
 

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Great article and right on. I mentioned this last week, I said play the best players, not the most paid. Jerry and most coaches are a joke, we need some real leadership here, until we do, we will have to accept mediocrity.
 
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