ESPN Werder: Cowboys hesitant to make tough calls; Others can do it; why not Cowboys?

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I like the premise of the article, but Werder fails to deliver the goods. Austin and Roy on the field together is a GOOD thing.

Both in the passing and the RUNNING game. Some people have clearly forgotten how valuable Roy has been in the running game, which is currently the 2nd best in the NFL.
 

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AdamJT13;3027036 said:
Roy Williams is vastly more talented than Patrick Crayton, and he has been more productive this season when he has been able to play.

If he's able to play, why in the world would you start Patrick Crayton ahead of him? Starting Roy is not a difficult decision, it's the obvious one that any other NFL coach would make.

:hammer:

Exactly...I don't think there is one coach in the NFL that would start Crayton over Williams.
 

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vta;3027217 said:
Far from it, just not at all concerned with perceptions when reality is providing evidence. Is Roy better? Probably; is he playing better? Nope. .

Roy Williams:

Targeted: 25 times
Receptions: 11
Yards: 214
Average: 19.5
Touchdown: 1


Patrick Crayton:

Targeted: 32 times
Reception: 15
Yards: 243
Average: 16.2
Touchdowns: 1



Miles Austin:

Targeted: 27 times
Reception: 15
Yards: 331
Average: 22.1
Touchdowns: 3



Conclusion: If Roy Williams is " not playing well ", neither is Patrick Crayton, Jason Witten, and right up up until last week, Miles Austin.

There are 46 wide receivers and 14 Tight Ends ( including Jason ) in the NFL with higher targeted ( that is passes thrown to them ) numbers than the top Cowboys receiver ( Patrick Crayton ).

The Cowboys have made it a point to:

a) run a balanced offense
b) spread the ball around in the passing game.

They have accomplished both goals so far ( with 30 more pass attempts ) and what that means is that NO receiver is going to have the opportunity to put up big numbers due to the lack of passes thrown to them. IN order for Roy Williams to have an opportunity to have the same day that Miles Austin had 2 weeks ago, he'd at least need to have the ball thrown to him the same amount that Miles did: 15 times.

However, if that happen, then the other receivers on the team, including Jason Witten, would then see an average of 4 passes ( or less ) thrown to them.

Fans can't have it both ways. The Cowboys got rid of Terrell Owens so they can spread the ball around. They're spreading the ball around so they won't have another Terrell Ownes situation and now they want Roy Williams to become Terrell Owens or else he's not " playing well ".
 

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BAT;3027356 said:
Both in the passing and the RUNNING game. Some people have clearly forgotten how valuable Roy has been in the running game, which is currently the 2nd best in the NFL.


Don't be throwing facts around trying to wreck a perfectly good uninformed fantasy.
 

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I think there are plenty of coaches who might start Crayton over Williams. Belichick is likely one of them.

Jerry gets his ego invested in his stupid pet projects. Just look at last year with Pacman--when the coaches didn't think the guy deserved to play Jerry was forcing it down everyone's throat.
 

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triplets92;3026937 said:
then why come here and try to spread your anti cowboy nonsence to the fans who don't look at our 3-2 start like a 0-5 start. do you even like the cowboys and i ask that seriously all you do is hate on them

.....:bow:
 

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Randy White;3027363 said:
Conclusion: If Roy Williams is " not playing well ", neither is Patrick Crayton, Jason Witten, and right up up until last week, Miles Austin.

Well, I appreciate these stats and as someone else mentioned, Roy does a good job of run blocking, but I didn't say he's not playing well, I said he's not playing better. And he's not. He was the insurance policy to make TO expendable and so far it hasn't paid off.

TO ran himself out of town with his mouth, not because he was a primary receiver. Wanting to spread the ball around isn't grounds to get rid of a talent like that, it's simply a tactful way of saying we're tired of hearing it every time someone else gets more looks. Do you think if Roy were not here, TO would have been gone this off-season?

No matter what Roy is, was and can be, right now he's no better than Crayton, who everyone seems to think is chopped liver and Werder is correct in his general statements. Maybe not yourself, but while fans scream about media bias, they completely ignore the fact that they engage in the exact same behavior they decry. Sorry, but Werder is talking facts about this team, in terms of coaching management and players.
 

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Ugly Ed's Destruction of Cowboy's WR Agenda​
1 down, 1 more to go, all he need is some anonymous sources and he will be set. :espn:
 

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Well, I appreciate these stats and as someone else mentioned, Roy does a good job of run blocking, but I didn't say he's not playing well, I said he's not playing better. And he's not. He was the insurance policy to make TO expendable and so far it hasn't paid off.

The point of the stats is to contradict exactly that. Roy Williams has been playing just as well as any other receiver for the Cowboys, given the same opportunities.

TO ran himself out of town with his mouth, not because he was a primary receiver. Wanting to spread the ball around isn't grounds to get rid of a talent like that, it's simply a tactful way of saying we're tired of hearing it every time someone else gets more looks.

Yes and No. Yes, his mouth certainly played as big a part as anything else of him getting the boot, but No, it wasn't the only reason.

Do you think if Roy were not here, TO would have been gone this off-season?

Not this off-season, but certainly after this year. THE main reason why Roy Willams was acquired is because he was going to, eventually, take over T.O. Now, the plans for that didn't call for it to happen this soon, but this would have been T.O.'s last year in a Cowboys uniform, regardless of his mouth.

No matter what Roy is, was and can be, right now he's no better than Crayton, who everyone seems to think is chopped liver and Werder is correct in his general statements.

That's incorrect. Patrick Crayton, right now, is no better than 3rd receiver. That's always been his role. A slot guy who can get intermidate 1st downs, ala Kelvin Martin back in the day. Roy Williams is a legit #1 receiver who, simply, hasn't been given the opportunity to put up big stats.

You put them both in front of the 32 NFL headcoaches and all 32 would pick Roy Williams ahead of Crayton.

Maybe not yourself, but while fans scream about media bias, they completely ignore the fact that they engage in the exact same behavior they decry. Sorry, but Werder is talking facts about this team, in terms of coaching management and players.

The only accurate parts about Werder's piece is his name and his picture. Everything else is misconstrued dribbler that was disproved a few days ago by two guys who actually know what they're talking about because they lived it: Michael Irvin and Nate Newton.

The minute he insinuated that Roy Williams is " lazy " after many people in the organization have been repeating over and over again how hard he's been working since January, he lost whatever little credibility he had to begin with. And believe me, he didn't have much.
 

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...well i'll say this...Roy may be lazy or maybe Romo simply is'nt targeting him or they are'nt using him correctly...we had "similar" problems with the "38tds in 3 yrs. guy"...

...drawing an equivalency between a 45 million receiver in his twenties and a 1.8 million receiver at the end of his career is disingenious at best and downright laughable on Werder's part...bench Williams then cut him???...and replace him with whom???...the only somewhat proven receiver remaining would be Patrick Crayton...

...the sad part about all this is the pressure that they're throwing onto Austin...to hear Werder is to believe that he is the second coming of Irvin...Williams has done more in his career than both Austin and Crayton...wait and see how fast the wheels come off if Austin runs the wrong route like in Denver, or drop more than a few passes in the next game...it's too early to proclaim this kid all-world and they're setting him up for a fall...

...Werder's one-size fits all mentality might work on the outside looking in but a situation on the inside is never as simple as it seems...

...the depth chart shows Williams/Hurd and Crayton/Austin but Werder's mouthing off something about X and Z receiver which i'm not sure he even understands...the majority of Austin's big plays have indeed been from the right side of the formation which corresponds with the depth chart having him as RWR...
 

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vta;3027474 said:
Well, I appreciate these stats and as someone else mentioned, Roy does a good job of run blocking, but I didn't say he's not playing well, I said he's not playing better. And he's not. He was the insurance policy to make TO expendable and so far it hasn't paid off.

TO ran himself out of town with his mouth, not because he was a primary receiver. Wanting to spread the ball around isn't grounds to get rid of a talent like that, it's simply a tactful way of saying we're tired of hearing it every time someone else gets more looks. Do you think if Roy were not here, TO would have been gone this off-season?

No matter what Roy is, was and can be, right now he's no better than Crayton, who everyone seems to think is chopped liver and Werder is correct in his general statements. Maybe not yourself, but while fans scream about media bias, they completely ignore the fact that they engage in the exact same behavior they decry. Sorry, but Werder is talking facts about this team, in terms of coaching management and players.


...well then it's simple...cut Williams tomorrow and make Austin, Crayton and Hurd your receivers...

...i'll tell you something though...i watched a confident man last sunday throw passes into very tight windows and at some pretty big targets while trashing the so called best defense in the NFC...Romo does'nt escape blame from all this because his accuracy and decision-making has been less than stellar so far this year...he is joined at the hip with these guys...their success is one and the same...a matter of timing, teamwork and confidence...
 

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Randy White;3027363 said:
Roy Williams:

Targeted: 25 times
Receptions: 11
Yards: 214
Average: 19.5
Touchdown: 1


Patrick Crayton:

Targeted: 32 times
Reception: 15
Yards: 243
Average: 16.2
Touchdowns: 1



Miles Austin:

Targeted: 27 times
Reception: 15
Yards: 331
Average: 22.1
Touchdowns: 3



Conclusion: If Roy Williams is " not playing well ", neither is Patrick Crayton, Jason Witten, and right up up until last week, Miles Austin.

There are 46 wide receivers and 14 Tight Ends ( including Jason ) in the NFL with higher targeted ( that is passes thrown to them ) numbers than the top Cowboys receiver ( Patrick Crayton ).

The Cowboys have made it a point to:

a) run a balanced offense
b) spread the ball around in the passing game.

They have accomplished both goals so far ( with 30 more pass attempts ) and what that means is that NO receiver is going to have the opportunity to put up big numbers due to the lack of passes thrown to them. IN order for Roy Williams to have an opportunity to have the same day that Miles Austin had 2 weeks ago, he'd at least need to have the ball thrown to him the same amount that Miles did: 15 times.

However, if that happen, then the other receivers on the team, including Jason Witten, would then see an average of 4 passes ( or less ) thrown to them.

Fans can't have it both ways. The Cowboys got rid of Terrell Owens so they can spread the ball around. They're spreading the ball around so they won't have another Terrell Ownes situation and now they want Roy Williams to become Terrell Owens or else he's not " playing well ".

...funny the fickle nature of human nature...spot on my friend..spot on...
 

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CowboyDan;3026970 said:
ouch! I guess he could've just aligator-armed it like TO used to do. ;)

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Wow, what a lazy POS. I mean, he obviously knew that if he jumped up for that ball he would be injured and get to miss a game. Some might think that RW was just trying his best to make a play, but the guy clearly had ulterior motives. When he blocks on runs, it's only because he's using the other player as a crutch to prop himself up... too lazy to stand up under his own weight.
 

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stilltheguru;3027720 said:
What's wrong with this article? Seemed pretty truthful to me.

To my eye, this is what the article says: "The Cowboys won't replace Roy Williams with Patrick Crayton. Therefore, they're not willing to make hard decisions. For example, they cut TO, which was a hard decision."
 

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DaBoys4Life;3026915 said:
:bow:

Great read a nice little tidbit of why Dallas is doomed to mediocrity and failure.

Bet you were chomping at the bit waiting to read such an article on the demise of Dallas. You can breathe now. :rolleyes:
 

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CowboyDan;3026970 said:
ouch! I guess he could've just aligator-armed it like TO used to do. ;)

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Shouldn't that have been a 15 yard penalty on Denver for a hit on a defenseless receiver? The ball was obviously uncatchable, and the LB (DJ Williams) went right through Williams.

Nice officiating there.
 

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jimnabby;3027821 said:
To my eye, this is what the article says: "The Cowboys won't replace Roy Williams with Patrick Crayton. Therefore, they're not willing to make hard decisions. For example, they cut TO, which was a hard decision."



Cutting a player who everyone pretty much agreed had to go isn't exactly a hard decision. Benching your 45 million dollar man? Now that will leave a mark on the team. TO leaving was a totally diff situation, but I expect Cowboy fans to do the spinarooni on anything to make it look reasonable.
 

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I stopped reading when I got to the part that freaking Patrick Crayton should be starting over Roy.

Anybody that thinks Crayton is better than Roy is high as a kite.
 

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kmd24;3027004 said:
I think Ed Werder is trying to create a story.

One of the deficiencies of RW is his ego, IMO. This harping by Werder is going to cause Roy to blow up, I'm afraid.
In a good way or a bad way?
 
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