ESPN: Without Tom Brady, Patriots-Cowboys meeting not the same

[5Stars]

Sorry, I can't read that. Tom Brady broke my phone.

lmao!

(stupid cowboy fans)

 

[guag]

Goodell's lapdogs in this forum might buy it

Goodell actually has supporters here? lol

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Goodell actually has supporters here? lol

Yea I thought that was funny. lol I don't think anyone here likes him. Brady must really be guilty for this forum to support Goodell like this. lol

 

[DFWJC]

Definitely won't be the same beating the Pats without Brady. Would have been a nice feather in Romo's cap beating NE with Brady. Romo needs wins vs elite QB's. I know many FANS will hand the Cowboys that game with Brady suspended but they've had some real issues the past 3 seasons beating backup QB's such as Matt Flynn, McCown and McCoy last season. The Cowboys defense made all 3 look elite so they better not relax against Garoppolo or he'll have a career game.

Good freaking grief

 

[Rogah]

Will Brady's lawyers be bright enough to take advantage of the stat and physical science experts ready to pull apart the NFL's report?

I just read the NFLPA filing. They talk about the overall lack-of-procedures the NFL had in place for this game. There isn't any statistical data, just a statement that (paraphrasing from memory here) "The NFL had absolutely no set procedures in place to measure the balls, and the fact that they just put some measures in place a couple days ago proves it." It goes on to describe the general cluster-mess that was the NFL's data collection from that night.

 

[Rogah]

His lawsuit will not be about guilt/innocence or investigations. It will be about how the NFL handles appeals. I certainly could be wrong, but given that the procedures that Goodell followed were given to him by the players via the CBA, I don't see how Brady prevails. JMO.

Follow up to my last post now that I have read the filing:

The filing refers several times to the "Law of Shop" of the CBA, which pretty much is a fancy way of saying that the Commissioner still has to be fair when making his determinations. For example, the CBA says players have to cooperate with investigations, but that doesn't mean the Commissioner can just throw any punishment he wants at someone who doesn't cooperate.

The filing also references precedent set in the Adrian Peterson case several times, which affirms the responsibility of the Commissioner to be fair and consistent in his rulings.

 

[Rogah]

Goodell actually has supporters here? lol

Yes, it's surprising how many people all of a sudden think Goodell and the League Office is as pure as the wind driven snow in this case.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

Follow up to my last post now that I have read the filing:

The filing refers several times to the "Law of Shop" of the CBA, which pretty much is a fancy way of saying that the Commissioner still has to be fair when making his determinations. For example, the CBA says players have to cooperate with investigations, but that doesn't mean the Commissioner can just throw any punishment he wants at someone who doesn't cooperate.

The filing also references precedent set in the Adrian Peterson case several times, which affirms the responsibility of the Commissioner to be fair and consistent in his rulings.

4 games was more than freaking fair for cheating to a trophy 3 times.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

I just read the NFLPA filing. They talk about the overall lack-of-procedures the NFL had in place for this game. There isn't any statistical data, just a statement that (paraphrasing from memory here) "The NFL had absolutely no set procedures in place to measure the balls, and the fact that they just put some measures in place a couple days ago proves it." It goes on to describe the general cluster-mess that was the NFL's data collection from that night.

Didnt the officials certify that the balls had been checked and met regulations prior to the game? Why would they, or the league expect any team to intentionally deflate footballs after the officials had certified them?

Just because they didnt have specific procedures in place for specific cheating doesnt in anyway diminish the cheating and deception by the Cheatriots in deflating footballs. This has been the MO of those who defend the cheaters all along. Blame the league for checking the balls w/o warning the Pats ahead of time and now blame the league for not having better rules in place for specific cheating methods.

Not ONE single sensible thing has been offered from the defenders of the cheaters, to even begin to show that the cheaters didnt actually cheat.

 

[Rogah]

The one sentence that sums up the complaint best. Pretty solid statement:

For Goodell to sustain unprecedented discipline on admittedly unreliable conclusions resting on mountains of unsupported assumptions-because the NFL failed to collect or record the necessary data-is not fair or consistent and is thus contrary to the law of the shop.

 

[Rogah]

Didnt the officials certify that the balls had been checked and met regulations prior to the game? Why would they, or the league expect any team to intentionally deflate footballs after the officials had certified them?

Uh, gee, maybe because the Colts contacted the league office in advanced of the game and warned them that that was going on?

Not ONE single sensible thing has been offered from the defenders of the cheaters, to even begin to show that the cheaters didnt actually cheat.

I have posted an inforgraphic repeated times showing the Patriots' balls were within the predicted range by the Ideal Gas Law.

You've just admitted that the laws of physics are not sensible to you, but they are to most of the rest of us.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Uh, gee, maybe because the Colts contacted the league office in advanced of the game and warned them that that was going on?
I have posted an inforgraphic repeated times showing the Patriots' balls were within the predicted range by the Ideal Gas Law.

You've just admitted that the laws of physics are not sensible to you, but they are to most of the rest of us.

Except the NFL goes by the NFL rules and mysteriously the Colts balls were w/in those guidelines and no Ideal Gas Law was needed for an excuse.

 

[Rogah]

Except the NFL goes by the NFL rules and mysteriously the Colts balls were w/in those guidelines and no Ideal Gas Law was needed for an excuse.

What part of "the Colts balls warmed up" do you not understand?

Even the biggest Patriots-hater cannot deny the measurement techniques were a complete cluster-mess. None of the pre-game measurements were recorded, so we have to go with the referee's best recollection. Oh, but then we throw away his best recollection regarding which of the 2 poorly-calibrated gauges he used. Then there was a transcription error in the halftime measurements. The data is beyond worthless but even if we accept the data, it shows no wrongdoing.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

What part of "the Colts balls warmed up" do you not understand?

Even the biggest Patriots-hater cannot deny the measurement techniques were a complete cluster-mess. None of the pre-game measurements were recorded, so we have to go with the referee's best recollection. Oh, but then we throw away his best recollection regarding which of the 2 poorly-calibrated gauges he used. Then there was a transcription error in the halftime measurements. The data is beyond worthless but even if we accept the data, it shows no wrongdoing.

Its amazing how the Pats did absolutely nothing wrong and then the league would spend 5 million on the Wells Report. If I were Robert Kraft Id be so discussed Id prob sell the team rather than be a part of this league that is so untrustworthy and dishonorable. Why would a fine upstanding honorable man of integrity like Mr Krafty wanna be part of this corrupt NFL?

 

[LandryFan]

Follow up to my last post now that I have read the filing:

The filing refers several times to the "Law of Shop" of the CBA, which pretty much is a fancy way of saying that the Commissioner still has to be fair when making his determinations. For example, the CBA says players have to cooperate with investigations, but that doesn't mean the Commissioner can just throw any punishment he wants at someone who doesn't cooperate.

The filing also references precedent set in the Adrian Peterson case several times, which affirms the responsibility of the Commissioner to be fair and consistent in his rulings.

There is no doubt in my mind that Brady is guilty and deserves to be punished, but I want nothing more than for Goodell to have his *** handed to him by the courts at every turn.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

Except the NFL goes by the NFL rules and mysteriously the Colts balls were w/in those guidelines and no Ideal Gas Law was needed for an excuse.

Gas laws only apply to brady's balls...you know this. all other balls are impervious to physics

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

There is no doubt in my mind that Brady is guilty and deserves to be punished, but I want nothing more than for Goodell to have his *** handed to him by the courts at every turn.

Yea, its kinda like when the Pats and Eagles played in the Super Bowl. Any outcome was bad.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Gas laws only apply to brady's balls.. in the FIRST HALF . ..you know this. all other balls are impervious to physics

FIFY

 

[Zman5]

We'll missing our starting MLB and DE who probably is the best pass rusher on the team. So it's not like, we'll be at 100% either.

 

[Rogah]

There is no doubt in my mind that Brady is guilty and deserves to be punished, but I want nothing more than for Goodell to have his *** handed to him by the courts at every turn.

Well, the NFLPA certainly has presented a rock solid case against this particular suspension.