ESPN's Adam Schefter : Chance Warmack could be in for a draft-day mini-slide

[Kevinicus]

6'2 is below averege height for a guard. athleticism, you're right, less than ideal, but not below average.

Because we wouldn't want someone to already have an advantage getting low would we?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Because we wouldn't want someone to already have an advantage getting low would we?

on averge, the shorter you are, the less muscle you can carry before you're just fat.

Most elite guards are 6'4 with a few being 6'5. After that you get a couple that are 6'3. You have to go back a bit to find a pro bowl or all pro guard who is 6'2 or shorter.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Wow-another over hyped guard falling in the draft-who knew????

 

[Fredd]

hype, over-hype...whatever, unless someone like Johnson, Cooper or Lotulelei is there, Warmack has to be the pick

 

[Stash]

I value Mike Mayock's opinion on the subject of the draft and he likes Warmack as the best prospect overall.

Good enough for me.

If he's there, I take him.

Fix this horrid offensive line!

 

[burmafrd]

on averge, the shorter you are, the less muscle you can carry before you're just fat.

Most elite guards are 6'4 with a few being 6'5. After that you get a couple that are 6'3. You have to go back a bit to find a pro bowl or all pro guard who is 6'2 or shorter.

yeah height is so important.

Cue Mike Singletary. because that one inch is just so important. Gil Brandt said it was one of the biggest mistakes they made not drafting singletary because he was an inch shorter then what the Boys thought was the minimum height to be successful at LB in the NFL.

 

[TheFinisher]

Warmack is 6'2 but has a 35" reach.

Wingspan > Height, especially for interior lineman. The reasoning is simple... Defensive lineman don't jump over OLmen, they try and get around them.

 

[ghst187]

i tend to think one of the Gs will still be there at 18, probably Warmack. I prefer Cooper but am okay with Warmack and I think regardless of how the first round goes, we are sorely remiss to not walk away with a starter on the OL, even if we our top targets are gone and we had to trade down and take the T from Florida State.

 

[TheSport78]

Hate to say this but I have a feeling they would take Vaccaro over Warmack.

 

[LatinMind]

Please let Warmack slide. PLEASE!

 

[NeonNinja]

I value Mike Mayock's opinion on the subject of the draft and he likes Warmack as the best prospect overall.

Good enough for me.

If he's there, I take him.

Fix this horrid offensive line!

Agreed.

It wouldn't shock me if we passed on him but it would be a huge mistake IMO.

 

[Idgit]

I value Mike Mayock's opinion on the subject of the draft and he likes Warmack as the best prospect overall.

Good enough for me.

If he's there, I take him.

Fix this horrid offensive line!

I do, too. I'd be thrilled with Warmack at 18. And more than his ability, I'd love to add a player with his attitude to this OL.

 

[xwalker]

Warmack is 6'2 but has a 35" reach.

Wingspan > Height, especially for interior lineman. The reasoning is simple... Defensive lineman don't jump over OLmen, they try and get around them.

Agree. I have zero concern about his height, especially considering his arm length.

I do have concerns about these measureables:

40 Yrd Dash: 5.49
10 Yrd Dash: 1.90
20 Yrd Shuttle: 5.01

 

[1LoyalCowboyFan]

I expect him to be available at 18.

Cooper, maybe not. But I fully expect Warmack to be available.

He's my top target. I prefer him to Cooper, even though he's not as nimble or versatile, I just think he's the superior football player.

As long as one's available preferably cooper ill be happy. I miss effective screens and he can't get out there fast enough

 

[LatinMind]

Agree. I have zero concern about his height, especially considering his arm length.

I do have concerns about these measureables:

40 Yrd Dash: 5.49
10 Yrd Dash: 1.90
20 Yrd Shuttle: 5.01

The concerns you have, should all go away if you watch him in a game. And stop basing everything on running in tights. yes he wont be as effective in a pull out as he would be going right at somebody and putting them into the turf. Besides most of Murrays rushing outside are him cutting it outside or nothing inside bounced outside. Dallas running game is simple as it can get. Hit the hole and get upfield.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

yeah height is so important.

Cue Mike Singletary. because that one inch is just so important. Gil Brandt said it was one of the biggest mistakes they made not drafting singletary because he was an inch shorter then what the Boys thought was the minimum height to be successful at LB in the NFL.

never said it was the end all be all, but how many times has a player been correctly identified as too short to play a position? guys like Mike Singletary and Drew Brees are the exception, not the rule.

 

[xwalker]

The concerns you have, should all go away if you watch him in a game. And stop basing everything on running in tights. yes he wont be as effective in a pull out as he would be going right at somebody and putting them into the turf. Besides most of Murrays rushing outside are him cutting it outside or nothing inside bounced outside. Dallas running game is simple as it can get. Hit the hole and get upfield.

I watched all the Alabama games in 2012. I've watched all of Warmack's snaps at least 10 times. I've seen him get beat in pass protection on a number of occasions and they don't even throw the ball that much.

His blocking on runs to the outside is often downright ugly.

He didn't dominate defensive linemen nearly as much as advertised. The big DL from Tennessee drove him straight back into the QB similar to what often happened to the Cowboys Olinemen.

Most of his domination is when he blocks Linebackers that he can reach within a few yards in front of him.

I sure that he will be a decent NFL Guard; however, he has limitations and will not be a good fit in all blocking schemes.

 

[LatinMind]

I watched all the Alabama games in 2012. I've watched all of Warmack's snaps at least 10 times. I've seen him get beat in pass protection on a number of occasions and they don't even throw the ball that much.

His blocking on runs to the outside is often downright ugly.

He didn't dominate defensive linemen nearly as much as advertised. The big DL from Tennessee drove him straight back into the QB similar to what often happened to the Cowboys Olinemen.

Most of his domination is when he blocks Linebackers that he can reach within a few yards in front of him.

I sure that he will be a decent NFL Guard; however, he has limitations and will not be a good fit in all blocking schemes.

Sorry but every person who is paid to do this disagrees with you. Sure some of his technique can be ugly sometimes. Cause he's a mauler. He's the type of guy who you want int he middle of the OL. Doing the dirty work. Guards arent supposed to make it look pretty, Seems like anybody Bama OL you have the same answer to. You say the exact same thing about Fluker. Its amazing that team did anything with all the lackluster blocking technique you seem to think they have,

 

[jnday]

I watched all the Alabama games in 2012. I've watched all of Warmack's snaps at least 10 times. I've seen him get beat in pass protection on a number of occasions and they don't even throw the ball that much.

His blocking on runs to the outside is often downright ugly.

He didn't dominate defensive linemen nearly as much as advertised. The big DL from Tennessee drove him straight back into the QB similar to what often happened to the Cowboys Olinemen.

Most of his domination is when he blocks Linebackers that he can reach within a few yards in front of him.

I sure that he will be a decent NFL Guard; however, he has limitations and will not be a good fit in all blocking schemes.

I know you are a Cooper fan over Warmack. I watched a couple of games of NC football just to see Cooper. He can pull and move better than Warmack. Cooper can not get the movement at the LOS like Warmack. I have said before that the most important trait that would improve the Cowboys line is the ability to get a push up front. At the present time, they don't have an interior lineman that can line up and blow his man off the line. The can draft Cooper and they will still have this weakness. Before someone chimes in with Cooper's bench press numbers, I will say that the bench doesn't translate to drive blocking. I am tired of Dallas not being able to punch the ball in from the two yard line or having to pass on a third down with one yard to go. As I have mentioned before, Cooper can add some bulk and maintain his quickness according to Gil Brandt. That leaves open the possibilty that he could improve his drive blocking to Warmack's level.

 

[xwalker]

Sorry but every person who is paid to do this disagrees with you. Sure some of his technique can be ugly sometimes. Cause he's a mauler. He's the type of guy who you want int he middle of the OL. Doing the dirty work. Guards arent supposed to make it look pretty, Seems like anybody Bama OL you have the same answer to. You say the exact same thing about Fluker. Its amazing that team did anything with all the lackluster blocking technique you seem to think they have,

We don't know the opinion of guys that get paid to be correct in their scouting reports, Pro Scouts. We only know the opinion of guys that get paid to create hype around the draft like Kiper and other media guys. Kiper gets paid to entertain.

If you go by the reviews of Tim Tebow now that he has been in the NFL and didn't know anything about his college career, you would be surprised that he ever got off the bench in college. Success in college does not translate directly to the NFL.

Alabama's ability to run over college teams with their running game does not translate directly to the modern NFL and Pro Style passing game.