ESPN's Adam Schefter : Chance Warmack could be in for a draft-day mini-slide

[LatinMind]

We don't know the opinion of guys that get paid to be correct in their scouting reports, Pro Scouts. We only know the opinion of guys that get paid to create hype around the draft like Kiper and other media guys. Kiper gets paid to entertain.

If you go by the reviews of Tim Tebow now that he has been in the NFL and didn't know anything about his college career, you would be surprised that he ever got off the bench in college. Success in college does not translate directly to the NFL.

Alabama's ability to run over college teams with their running game does not translate directly to the modern NFL and Pro Style passing game.

i pay a little more attention to broaddus. former players and coaches. rather then kiper. Tebow won games but there were question son him being a nfl qb because hes basically a glorified RB. And was that in college too. So comparing Warmacks status to Tebows popularity is like apples to oranges too.

 

[xwalker]

I know you are a Cooper fan over Warmack. I watched a couple of games of NC football just to see Cooper. He can pull and move better than Warmack. Cooper can not get the movement at the LOS like Warmack. I have said before that the most important trait that would improve the Cowboys line is the ability to get a push up front. At the present time, they don't have an interior lineman that can line up and blow his man off the line. The can draft Cooper and they will still have this weakness. Before someone chimes in with Cooper's bench press numbers, I will say that the bench doesn't translate to drive blocking. I am tired of Dallas not being able to punch the ball in from the two yard line or having to pass on a third down with one yard to go. As I have mentioned before, Cooper can add some bulk and maintain his quickness according to Gil Brandt. That leaves open the possibilty that he could improve his drive blocking to Warmack's level.

There is a reason that NFL teams are using more and more Zone Blocking. It is really difficult for any NFL OLineman to consistently drive Defensive Linemen straight backwards.

When the Cowboys were winning Super Bowls in the early nineties, their OL averaged about 320 lbs; however, many of the NFL DTs were like the Cowboys starting DT Tony Casillas who was 6-3, 278. In the modern NFL, DLinemen have gotten bigger but many teams starting OL still don't average over 320.

In re-watching the Cowboys 2012 season on the All-22 and focusing on the OL, I observed many plays that failed due to the blockers getting "out-quicked". I didn't count the plays, but I believe that many more plays failed for this reason as compared to plays that failed due to straight up being over powered. The exception was probably Doug Free. He was overpowered often.

 

[xwalker]

i pay a little more attention to broaddus. former players and coaches. rather then kiper. Tebow won games but there were question son him being a nfl qb because hes basically a glorified RB. And was that in college too. So comparing Warmacks status to Tebows popularity is like apples to oranges too.

Broaddus hyped David Arkin when the Cowboys drafted him.

 

[NeonDeion21]

Agree. I have zero concern about his height, especially considering his arm length.

I do have concerns about these measureables:

40 Yrd Dash: 5.49
10 Yrd Dash: 1.90
20 Yrd Shuttle: 5.01

Just for reference:

David Decastro

40 Yrd Dash: 5.43
10 Yrd Dash: 1.79
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.56

And remember, DeCastro was considered to be one of the more athletic guards to come out in some time. He is a the definition of a zone guard as he is best at pulling and trapping. He really struggles with power and one-on-one blocking against DTs.

Combine stats don't mean much to me for Guards. DeCastro is quicker, Warmack stronger at the POA.

 

[jnday]

There is a reason that NFL teams are using more and more Zone Blocking. It is really difficult for any NFL OLineman to consistently drive Defensive Linemen straight backwards.

When the Cowboys were winning Super Bowls in the early nineties, their OL averaged about 320 lbs; however, many of the NFL DTs were like the Cowboys starting DT Tony Casillas who was 6-3, 278. In the modern NFL, DLinemen have gotten bigger but many teams starting OL still don't average over 320.

In re-watching the Cowboys 2012 season on the All-22 and focusing on the OL, I observed many plays that failed due to the blockers getting "out-quicked". I didn't count the plays, but I believe that many more plays failed for this reason as compared to plays that failed due to straight up being over powered. The exception was probably Doug Free. He was overpowered often.

There was not a lineman, including Tyron, that didn't get pushed back on a regular basis. Using man blocking linemen in a zone scheme is a stupid move. Of course the linemen were getting out quicked. The scheme doesn't fit their talents.

 

[Idgit]

There was not a lineman, including Tyron, that didn't get pushed back on a regular basis. Using man blocking linemen in a zone scheme is a stupid move. Of course the linemen were getting out quicked. The scheme doesn't fit their talents.

Wut??

 

[jnday]

Wut??

My two points ran together.

One point is that more than Free got pushed around.

The other point is that the linemen doesn't fit the scheme.

 

[LatinMind]

Broaddus hyped David Arkin when the Cowboys drafted him.

So Broaddus is the only scout/ex scout to ever get a evaluation wrong?

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Of Warmack and Cooper:

Originally Posted by EGG View Post
I bet they're BOTH gone in the top 10,,,

I'll bet my life savings that you're incorrect!

BOOM! Goes the dynamite.

It's okay, there were several others that followed your lead (but none of them bet their life savings)

 

[Fredd]

wow, an "I told you so" guy....lovely...the high road is always better so sayeth Fredd

 

[burmafrd]

a LOT of people had Warmack going to Tenn. So what is this slide?

 

[Fredd]

exactly...no slide for this guy