News: Ex-Cowboys say Bears less Hollywood than Cowboys

[Alexander]

this is what i was thinking. difference btw then and now is we used to have players who didn't crumble under that "hollywood" pressure.

You have to have players (some at least) who relish that spotlight.

Look at our QB. Golly gee whiz Cinderella story from small town Wisconsin suddenly starts mingling with starlets. I do not think that suits his personality as he really does not have that kind of ego.

When you try to make a workman's-class team on one hand but have an attention-seeking maniac running the franchise caring more about the brand, the two sides are going to clash.

It is too bad it is not all about football in Dallas. But it never will be when the success of the brand is valued more than the wins and losses on the field.

In a way it would probably be a better situation if Jones were not a very good marketer. Then the team would have to get notoriety from just the games.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Interesting. Given Rat's acting job on faking his injuries, I would have thought he was all into the Hollywood thing.

 

[mahoneybill]

I didn't see that before, I think. That's definitely scary and doesn't bode well for this team. I gotta say though I don't buy anything Ratliff says about focusing on football. The guy clearly milked it just to stick it to Jerry.

And the media has another headline to use to bash the Cowboys.

All of the teams are in the " entertainment business" , not exactly Hollywood but in many regards built on
Heroes , villains, drama, and a wish to make dreams come true..... E.G. Superbowl

 

[morasp]

Sounds a lot like the comments from Will Allen earlier this year. The circus atmosphere goes back to the very beginning when Jimmy was here. He used to hate the distractions. I think one time Jerry brought a Saudi Prince to the sidelines.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

It's funny how these guys enjoy it when they are on the team and getting endorsement deals with local Texas business dealers and are treated like rock stars. There's never a peep from them when that is happening. But then when they go elsewhere they don't like the 'Hollywood' attitude.

Here's a news flash for people.

The Dallas Cowboys atmosphere has been very 'Hollywood' well before Jerry got here.

It's all part of being 'Americas Team.'

A friend of mine had a co-worker that used to play in the NFL and played for a variety of teams back in the 70's. He told me personally that two craziest atmospheres to play for were Dallas....and Pittsburgh.

He said Pittsburgh was this crazy atmosphere filled with drug use because the fans there wanted the players to be one of them. Meanwhile the Cowboys were treated like part rock star part demigod.

And for all of Bradie James talk, look where the Texans are now. They've had 2 playoff appearances in the past 12 seasons and are now with a worse record than the Jaguars. And the Bears are 6-6.

Jerry ain't perfect. I have my fair share of gripes on how the organization is ran. But, for people to act like the 'Hollywood' atmosphere of the Cowboys is something new makes me question their knowledge of Cowboys history. And I see guys like Ratliff and James (I don't know if DeCamillis was getting endorsements down here and I highly doubt he was treated like a rock star) as hypocrites.







YR

 

[Risen Star]

Wait...so the Chicago Bears are less Hollywood than the Dallas Cowboys?

I love getting the inside scoop from the players.

 

[Risen Star]

Sounds a lot like the comments from Will Allen earlier this year. The circus atmosphere goes back to the very beginning when Jimmy was here. He used to hate the distractions. I think one time Jerry brought a Saudi Prince to the sidelines.

I've banged that drum for years. The issue with this team has been and still is a lack of talent and an environment that doesn't allow coaches to succeed.

And those two issues can be traced right back to the GM.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Sounds a lot like the comments from Will Allen earlier this year. The circus atmosphere goes back to the very beginning when Jimmy was here. He used to hate the distractions. I think one time Jerry brought a Saudi Prince to the sidelines.

Jimmy had plenty of distractions here. Like the meltdown he had in the press conference after the team started 0-2 without Emmitt due to a contact holdout.

If he didn't like distractions, he would have handled that much more low key.

Or him verbally attacking Buddy Ryan in the post game press conference.

Nobody likes distractions in football. Just some are better at avoiding them than others.

I think the Cowboys' long history that dates well before Jerry shows that we are always going to have distractions. Furthermore, as Rick Reilly and Peter King have stated, when in doubt...the media writes about the Cowboys. Again, something that has been going on well before Jerry.

That's one thing I think is a strong positive about Jason Garrett. He knows how the media works with the Cowboys and he nips everything in the bud. And if the media doesn't like it, then that is too bad for them. Wade just got steamrolled by the media to the point where I felt sorry for him. Parcells enjoyed the limelight too much and couldn't put his ego aside (and I still love Parcells, but his way of handling the TO signing was poorly done).

I simply do not see a way that we will ever get rid of these distractions unless we have a new owner that drives the team so far into the ground just like Bum Bright did when he purchased the team from the Murchison family. It would have to get to a point where the team is so bad that they are not even relevant anymore.

No thanks.






YR

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I've banged that drum for years. The issue with this team has been and still is a lack of talent and an environment that doesn't allow coaches to succeed.

And those two issues can be traced right back to the GM.

Could you further expand upon an environment that doesn't allow coaches to succeed?





YR

 

[Risen Star]

Could you further expand upon an environment that doesn't allow coaches to succeed?


YR

When the head coach doesn't command his own locker room, when players don't feel the buck stops with him, when there's an open door to the GMs office to circumvent the authority of that head coach, when that coach must answer to the GM about such things like personnel packages and who starts and who sits, he's not put in a position to succeed.

When Parcells arrived he immediately talked about changing the culture of this team. This is what he was talking about. Jerry's lunacy.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

When the head coach doesn't command his own locker room, when players don't feel the buck stops with him, when there's an open door to the GMs office to circumvent the authority of that head coach, when that coach must answer to the GM about such things like personnel packages and who starts and who sits, he's not put in a position to succeed.

When Parcells arrived he immediately talked about changing the culture of this team. This is what he was talking about. Jerry's lunacy.

So how do you explain Parcells' view on Jerry after he had been long retired:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...cells-perception-of-jerry-jones-is-distorted/





YR

 

[Risen Star]

So how do you explain Parcells' view on Jerry after he had been long retired:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...cells-perception-of-jerry-jones-is-distorted/





YR

Because when Parcells was here, Jerry treated him unlike the others with the exception of Jimmy. He "walked on egg shells". He couldn't be the large and in charge lunatic you see today.

I'm surprised I have to even tell you this.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Because when Parcells was here, Jerry treated him unlike the others with the exception of Jimmy. He "walked on egg shells". He couldn't be the large and in charge lunatic you see today.

I'm surprised I have to even tell you this.

So how did you feel when the team signed Terrell Owens?





YR

 

[Reality]

Translation, fans from the whole country and national media care about the Cowboys while only fans and local media care about the Bears. I can understand why they can focus more on football as there are surely less distractions when you're on a team where only the local media shows up for team media events.

 

[Risen Star]

So how did you feel when the team signed Terrell Owens?

YR

I felt great.

Ask me something else that has absolutely nothing to do with my correct statement.

Hey, how did you feel when Jerry said Parcells' "way didn't work" after he left?

Are you seriously the only Cowboys fan on the planet who doesn't know Jerry undermines his coaches but had to step back and allow Parcells more freedom to turn the team around? You're still in the dark about that?

 

[morasp]

"This," Jones said before escorting Prince Bandar onto the field, "is going to be the greatest story ever told. We're just on the second or third chapter of Gone with the Wind here. We are going to win Super Bowls." Plural.

What a sight it was: Jones parading up the sideline, pumping both fists to the crowd. "Ca-boys!" he yelled again and again in his Arkansas twang. Jones had become a chicken-fried piper to thousands of new-breed Cowboy fans. In three years he had attracted 20,000 new season-ticket holders with an average age of 30 (when he bought the team, the average age of all season-ticket holders was 55). Now the crowd was raising the roof on a stadium that didn't have one. What a day this was to be a Cowboy fan.

This, however, was not a good day to be a Cowboy player or assistant coach. Within the hour the locker room roof would be raised by Johnson. He would chew out his team for the third straight week. Johnson, a control freak, appeared to be out of control. The two assistants he called his "best friends," defensive coordinator Dave Wannstedt and offensive-line coach Tony Wise, both thought that Johnson had "lost it." At the very least, many players found his behavior irrational, uncalled for and meanspirited.

Why would a coach blow up over a blowout victory? A series of events, any one of which might have put Johnson on edge, combined that afternoon to push him over it. One was a pair of fumbles lost by backup running back Curvin Richards, the second of which was returned 42 yards for a Bear touchdown that cut the Cowboy lead to 27-14 with 9:19 remaining; the other was the arrival of Jones with Bandar and his bodyguards. While Johnson seethed, Jones and the prince were congratulating players in the bench area.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1138516/index.htm

 

[Common Sense]

So why would DeCamillis say both are great organizations? Is he just lying?

Is that supposed to be a rhetorical question?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I felt great.

Ask me something else that has absolutely nothing to do with my correct statement.

Hey, how did you feel when Jerry said Parcells' "way didn't work" after he left?

Are you seriously the only Cowboys fan on the planet who doesn't know Jerry undermines his coaches but had to step back and allow Parcells more freedom to turn the team around? You're still in the dark about that?

The reason why I asked that questions is that every anti-Jerry person I've ever come across hated the T.O. deal and said that it was Jerry going over Parcells' head.

I'm sure there are/were a few exceptions. But, I think you would agree with me that the overwhelming majority of anti-Jerry people felt that way. And that's why the question was asked.

As far as Jerry saying that the Parcells way 'didn't work' I interpreted that as saying that we didn't get what we wanted, a Super Bowl, under Parcells. But, Jerry has said plenty of glowing remarks about Parcells and his coaching as well. And Parcells has returned the favor. Even Sean Payton has spoken fondly of Jerry as well.

I don't feel that Garrett's power has been undermined in any way, shape or form.

And everybody that I have talked to that deals with the organization says the same thing, every decision is a group decision between Jerry, Stephen, Ciskowski and Garrett.

I'm going to take their word over your perception.







YR

 

[JohnsKey19]

Zach Thomas made similar comments after the 2008 season. It is what it is and will continue to be, unfortunately....

 

[TwoDeep3]

The difference is Jerry Jones and his ego. He makes this place a pressure cooker with his constant comments and visibility.

That trickles down to the team.

It is more important to say the right thing, make the right headline, than nit is to shut the frick up and concentrate on football.

If the owner accepts mediocrity, then why should the players be held accountable?