Ex-scout: Goff a top-five pick, Paxton Lynch the better prospect

[UDcowboysfan]

I always love these stories and how they say "ex scout", why doesnt he have a job?

 

[egn22]

If the store is out of stock of QB's of the future do you get a generic QB with your first pick just in case? Are we really that good at coaching QB's up, our history looks dubious. If the powers that be see something in these top five I will back them up but to take a QB because the fans want one is Jerry 101.

If we win more than 5 games next year which is more than likely, we will be drafting much later and when we finish the season Romo will be 37. So if we wanted a QB next draft it would be a QB ranked lower than Goff or Lynch this year. So we're right back at square one but with an older injury prone QB, only now we don't have a backup 1st round QB with a year of NFL experience under his belt.
What I'm getting at is NOW is the time to figure out the QB of the future situation. Waiting IMO would be disastrous.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I hope Kebric is not the one who suggested JaMarcus Russell to the Raiders.

Everybody suggested Russell to the Raiders. Mike Mayock stated that the Russell had the most impressive pro day performance from a QB he had ever seen.

That's when Russell was in shape, cared about football and was a great college QB with one of the greatest arms of all-time.

The problem wasn't with Russell's ability or potential to be a QB. The problem was that Russell didn't care about football and was glad to take the big pay day and eat his way out of the league.






YR

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I always love these stories and how they say "ex scout", why doesnt he have a job?

Maybe they have retired. 31 years of any profession is a good time to call it quits.





YR

 

[Macnalty]

If we win more than 5 games next year which is more than likely, we will be drafting much later and when we finish the season Romo will be 37. So if we wanted a QB next draft it would be a QB ranked lower than Goff or Lynch this year. So we're right back at square one but with an older injury prone QB, only now we don't have a backup 1st round QB with a year of NFL experience under his belt.
What I'm getting at is NOW is the time to figure out the QB of the future situation. Waiting IMO would be disastrous.

If the powers to be see the value I understand but to make the pick in the top five because we will not have another opportunity is foolish IMO. Lets trade for another pick next year if we feel that strongly and hope that the aptness increases rather than count on the coaches to bring the talent up(not a great track record other than Romo behind Bledsoe). You buy the wrong size shoe in the latest fashion you like and you will limp for years.

 

[Plankton]

That is my problem do you see either of those guys being a franchise QB at some point. I think they are some real projects similar to what we had with Stephen McGee from Texas a&m.
My top ten draft pick goes to another position or gets traded.

Stephen McGee had zero production in college, and came off of a shoulder injury his final season in what was going to be a good trial run for him in a pro style offense under Mike Sherman. Prior to that, he was in a run first offense.

Both Goff and Lynch had actual production as college players. They also weren't coming off of a shoulder injury. Concerns with these players is around body types (Goff is very thin, Lynch has a lot of extra movement in his torso when throwing - due to being 6'7", and there haven't been many QBs with success being over 6'6", though it looks a little better of late with guys like Newton, Flacco and Roethlisberger having success), and the fact that they are products of spread offenses that don't require reading of defenses as they will need to do in the NFL.

How they perform on the white board will be huge for both of them. Do I think that either one is a walk in the door starter from Day One? No. I think Goff's path will be shorter, and I see fewer holes in his game. Lynch has more raw talent, but needs much more refinement.

 

[JW82]

Thats why he's a former scout.

 

[btcutter]

If we win more than 5 games next year which is more than likely, we will be drafting much later and when we finish the season Romo will be 37. So if we wanted a QB next draft it would be a QB ranked lower than Goff or Lynch this year. So we're right back at square one but with an older injury prone QB, only now we don't have a backup 1st round QB with a year of NFL experience under his belt.
What I'm getting at is NOW is the time to figure out the QB of the future situation. Waiting IMO would be disastrous.

Exactly. Contrary to popular believe you CAN build for both the future and now via draft.

 

[Macnalty]

Stephen McGee had zero production in college, and came off of a shoulder injury his final season in what was going to be a good trial run for him in a pro style offense under Mike Sherman. Prior to that, he was in a run first offense.

Both Goff and Lynch had actual production as college players. They also weren't coming off of a shoulder injury. Concerns with these players is around body types (Goff is very thin, Lynch has a lot of extra movement in his torso when throwing - due to being 6'7", and there haven't been many QBs with success being over 6'6", though it looks a little better of late with guys like Newton, Flacco and Roethlisberger having success), and the fact that they are products of spread offenses that don't require reading of defenses as they will need to do in the NFL.

How they perform on the white board will be huge for both of them. Do I think that either one is a walk in the door starter from Day One? No. I think Goff's path will be shorter, and I see fewer holes in his game. Lynch has more raw talent, but needs much more refinement.

Let's try to fill needs efficiently as possible in FA, make a board and draft the BPA with every pick. I am convinced now more than ever with the rookie wage scale plus the likelihood of injuries that BPA is just the way to go and not to overthink it.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

Don't worry Cleveland will take one so we won't have a choice between the two.

 

[ghst187]

I am not a fan of Goff with the our first pick and yesterday's passing carnival with all those TD against the Falcons defense still did not pull me into his corner. I did however like that he took what Air Force gave, which was considerable. Still not there for a first rd top five pick of QB but maybe later I would be not so troubled.
IMO in late December how I like the QB's. But not top five pick.
Cook
Lynch
Goff
Kiel
Hackenberg

You're the first person I've seen putting Cook at the top as well as not have Wentz on your list.
Curious as to why you think that way.
I have Goff, Lynch, Wentz,....Cook and then there's no one else I would consider.

 

[reddyuta]

Don't worry Cleveland will take one so we won't have a choice between the two.

that will be 4 first RD QB picks in the last 10 years then,i dont think even the browns are that stupid.

 

[Macnalty]

Stephen McGee had zero production in college, and came off of a shoulder injury his final season in what was going to be a good trial run for him in a pro style offense under Mike Sherman. Prior to that, he was in a run first offense.

Both Goff and Lynch had actual production as college players. They also weren't coming off of a shoulder injury. Concerns with these players is around body types (Goff is very thin, Lynch has a lot of extra movement in his torso when throwing - due to being 6'7", and there haven't been many QBs with success being over 6'6", though it looks a little better of late with guys like Newton, Flacco and Roethlisberger having success), and the fact that they are products of spread offenses that don't require reading of defenses as they will need to do in the NFL.

How they perform on the white board will be huge for both of them. Do I think that either one is a walk in the door starter from Day One? No. I think Goff's path will be shorter, and I see fewer holes in his game. Lynch has more raw talent, but needs much more refinement.

I am not there yet on Goff hope you are seeing what I am not. They all seem like Brad Johnson to me when I list their names. If the boys pick him I will be in their corner but hard for me to see them as top five choices on New Years eve.

 

[Macnalty]

You're the first person I've seen putting Cook at the top as well as not have Wentz on your list.
Curious as to why you think that way.
I have Goff, Lynch, Wentz,....Cook and then there's no one else I would consider.

Here is my full list that I use to watch the games as of New Years eve I do not want our top five pick to be a QB. Some of these guys are for next year's draft and worthy of watching so you can see how the field really stacks.
Connor Cook
Paxton Lynch
Jared Goff
Gunner Kiel
Christian Hackenberg
Carson Wentz
JT Barrett
Cody Kessler
Trevone Boykin
Cardale Jones
Everett Golson
Kevin Hogan
Dak Prescott
Joshua Dobbs
Malik Zaire
Patrick Towles

 

[unionjack8]

if you think either one is the next guy after tony then you 100% take him right here right now in this draft.

No farting around, no getting cute moving around and HOPING he will still be there, you just draft him, understand its a wait and learn process,

DEVELOP the guy like we have not done in 10 years and watch a nice easy transition in 2 years time when Tony has led us to a SB.

I truly hope we can wade wilson and go get a new qb coach who wants to develop a young guy rather than be a "buddy" to tony on the sidelines

 

[NeonNinja]

I am not a fan of Goff with the our first pick and yesterday's passing carnival with all those TD against the Falcons defense still did not pull me into his corner. I did however like that he took what Air Force gave, which was considerable. Still not there for a first rd top five pick of QB but maybe later I would be not so troubled.
IMO in late December how I like the QB's. But not top five pick.
Cook
Lynch
Goff
Kiel
Hackenberg

Can you please explain why you like Cook the best and wouldn't take Lynch or Goff at our pick? I understand there are no guarantees when it comes to the draft but I also don't see how one could like Cook over those two. Of course, just my opinion.

 

[Macnalty]

Can you please explain why you like Cook the best and wouldn't take Lynch or Goff at our pick? I understand there are no guarantees when it comes to the draft but I also don't see how one could like Cook over those two. Of course, just my opinion.

I think it is pocket awareness, Hey I am not a superfan of him, IMO this QB talent pool is deep but no real elite prospects. Do you think this is some elite talent? I understand we all do not see the same things when watching and want your opinion.

 

[NeonNinja]

I think it is pocket awareness, Hey I am not a superfan of him, IMO this QB talent pool is deep but no real elite prospects. Do you think this is some elite talent? I understand we all do not see the same things when watching and want your opinion.

If I'm being honest, I see nothing from Cook that leads me to believe he will become a franchise guy. I do think Lynch and Goff have the ability to become one. Neither are a can't miss type but I think both will be really good in time and the right situation (behind and learn from Romo as one example). Lynch will need more time to develop than Goff but Lynch may have the higher ceiling. I'd take either one at our spot, especially if we have them graded that high. This is how I see it, doesn't mean I'm right cause that's what makes the draft great.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

that will be 4 first RD QB picks in the last 10 years then,i dont think even the browns are that stupid.

They are ! they'll take a QB

 

[Macnalty]

If I'm being honest, I see nothing from Cook that leads me to believe he will become a franchise guy. I do think Lynch and Goff have the ability to become one. Neither are a can't miss type but I think both will be really good in time and the right situation (behind and learn from Romo as one example). Lynch will need more time to develop than Goff but Lynch may have the higher ceiling. I'd take either one at our spot, especially if we have them graded that high. This is how I see it, doesn't mean I'm right cause that's what makes the draft great.

You know Dash I am in the minority on this talent level at QB and I respect your opinion. Fill needs efficiently as possible in FA, make a board and draft the BPA with every pick. I am convinced now more than ever with the rookie wage scale plus the likelihood of injuries that BPA is just the way to go and not to overthink it.